being 19, and learning literally everything automotive on my own (since my family are too much of prudes to ever care about working on their own cars, im sure you all know the type) Its been difficult learning what is RIGHT and what is the cheap way through something.

i did a lot of research on what kind of exhaust system i wanted to put on my car, since essentially when i bought the car, i had a junkyard set of headers, rediculously CRAPPY stretched exhaust pipes, and an H pipe that was put in by an 11 year old. Now i've been paying for my entire project, I compared the different systems I could find, stainlessworks, dr. gas, and pypes. I settled on pypes because a) I could afford it, b) it was the best solution for my money, c) I live in southern california, where i dont NEED stainless steel. So I bought the pypes 3" x pype kit, 2 flowmaster delta 40 series, and ceramic coated hooker super comps.

I asked around to my friends dads as to a reputable exhaust shop would be, I was reccomended to XXXXXXXXXXX, about a 10 minute drive from my house, I drive my car all the way there with uncorked headers, exhaust xpype in the trunk, mufflers in the back seat, I show up, turns out I have the wrong mufflers, (center in offset out, needed offset in center out) I haggled with the owner (presumabley) of XXXXXXX if he would be willing to make a fair trade for the right mufflers that he had in stock. He said no problem.

Now my car obviously isnt a looker, some of the cars you fellas on here pull out of junkyards cosmetically look a lot prettier, but this is my car, I didnt cash a paycheck for almost 9 months to pay for it. (payroll FREAKED when I cashed them, but that is another story) So here I am, I spent $520 on the Headers from Jeg's, $180 for the xpype from Pypes, and roughly $100 for both flowmasters (thank you ebay)

I head into the exhaust shop, knowing that in the late 70's when my dad Owned a Ferrari BB512 and a 308GTS he brought his exotic cars here, and had nothing but good things to say about them, along with a friends dad who brought his SuperBee to XXXXXXX right off the showroom floor. I made it clear to the store I wanted a GOOD job, not just a 'fix my dangling muffler tac weld' job, a GOOD job, nice and even, good careful welds. I told them i'd wait all day if thats what it took, and I asked them how much a job like that would cost, afterall, I had just saved a nice stack of cash, and wanted it done just once, and correctly.

Well, My car is afterall a project car, I dont have every oppurtunity to roll under the bloody thing and inspect the job, I was naieve in being confident that any shop would do a good job without my standing over their shoulder, and here I am , about 6 months after the fact very angry over a $300 botched installation. I took the car back today b/c XXXXXXXX is renowned for alignments (their proximity to the very ritch area of san diego and all its exotic cars) and I asked them to take a look at the exhaust, my muffler hangers were tac welded onto the seat belt brace with a 10 gauge steel rod, one had broken completley loose, leaving the pass side header to support the weight of the exhaust, 3" difference in lenght between the two, not to mention, this:

http://www.bsmf.com/images/nessy68/botchedpypes.jpg

rather than informing me that by installing my pypes they would have to ruin them to get them to go straight along my mis aligned subframe/body, they just went ahead installed them as fast as they could, charged me $300 for labor and sent me on my way. Today they attempted to defend themselves based upon the princpial that I should have known my body was bent before the exhaust installation, my take: the installer realized it, just went ahead and wasted my $180 exhaust hoping I'd never see the problem.

sorry for the long post guys, im just seriously P.O.'ed about this, I don't make a lot of money, but my money is hard earned, and I try to spend it right to the best of my knowledge, this is just one of those moments where I feel like I did accomplish something, and now I've stepped back however many months to before I had a proper exhaust system.

Just had to vent, comment if you guy sfeel like it, I think I will follow Chevy Mike's footsteps and drive out to Ed Hanson's to get my exhaust PROFFESSIONALLY taken care of.

[ 01-22-2005, 07:36 AM: Message edited by: DjD ]

That really sucks what happened man. Im 18 and know what its like to work you Butt off to pay for somthing like our camaros, while your buddies are spending their money, on drugs, food, movies and things that i call stupid stuff. I hope everything works out for ya.

Good luck getting them to fix it up.

I was in your shoes when I first got my Camaro. I knew nothing about cars at all when I first got it and as such I didn't really want to take on any projects (for fear of screwing up). After a few mechanics bills though, I decided I had better start learning quick!

So, I started doing all of my own work (that I could) and it has been great fun. Of course, if your car is a daily driver this makes it a bit difficult.

I'd say your best bet is to try to find a mentor who has done some work on cars who will be willing to check on the work you do yourself and offer helpful guidance along the way. Once you start working on it yourself, it really builds confidence to take on bigger jobs quickly.

Not trying to be cold hearted but we have a no vendor bashing policy so this ones done. Some questions to ask yourself...

Did you really thisk the same guy from the 70's would be welding your pipes?

Had they not installed your exhaust and called and told you your car was bent and they couldn't install the exhaust what would you have done?

If you provided someone services and didn't hear from them for six months then out of the blue they came in complaining. Knowing the car was twisted when it was orig brought in, what would you do?

I'm not saying you didn't get shoddy work, you are just looking at it as 100% someone elses fault and it wasn't... Oh, by the way calling someone a prude (your family) because they don't work on their own cars doesn't help your case. That's vary narrow minded on your part, Didn't you get the recomdation from your dad?

djd,

perhaps I didnt communicate my point clearly enough, a lot of times I tend to find myself leaving out things I am saying in my head while I type,

#1 this was just a vent, something I had to get off my chest, If I were "bashing" the company I would have been a lot less nice, I beleive they did a good job on my alignment, but I had to stand over their shoulder the whole time to make sure they werent eating lunch in my driver seat.

#2 The same man who worked my father's cars along with my friends dad was still there, once upon a time he was a young studly black haired man, now he's a short fat grey haired man. I asked for him specifically.

#3 There was no phonecall required, I was physically present at the shop! If they had asked me to look at my car being tweaked, I would have said well screw it (oh im sorry apparently "Screw" is now foul language) because I would rather drive around un-corked than waste $300 in exhaust hardware.

#4 You don't know my family. My father works in the real estate industry, if you're familiar with what a CCNR is, then you'll understand what I mean by prude when I tell you that he writes into all of his CCNR's that a homeowner can be ticketed for working on a car, anywhere on their property in plain view of the public, sans inside a closed garage. My garage is full of garbage my parents have horded for 40 years, up to and including dupont toothbrush dispensers that he has become attached to. I work on my car in my driveway, or at friend's houses because I have no choice, I now pay "rent" for the driveway in my house, because it irks him so deeply. Also, notice that I said he doesnt work on his own cars, Hence he took his to an exhaust shop, I have a Millermatic 175, I could have welded my exhaust myself, But I am definately not as skilled as someone who does this for a living. THAT is why i payed a premium price to have a good job done, and as I do not have a hydraulic lift availble to me, I was not able to get under my car to see the tweaked angle of the frame!


Lastly I am not blaming the exhaust shop 100% for the botched work, perhaps I should have known the issues with my car, i.e. measuring from leaf spring perch to shackle? taking car to a frame shop, All in all I was under the impression my car was in fairly good shape. The point is they COULD HAVE said something to me, but didnt, they saw the x pype didnt fit properly, and went ahead and welded it up anyway.


I hope you do not view this as an attack Dennis, and it may be to my own faults, but you do notknow the entire situation. I may be 19, but I am not a little twit.

Not pointing fingers ok ? Just something I've always done when having "someone else" work on the vehicle is to watch and look it over while on the lift. I know some guys get mad and others will be ok with it.
Last time my truck was in the shop getting tires the "kid" spun wheels out the door... got $100 off the bill and chewed his @ss, lucky owner was there, could have been bad sceen if he hit the door or a passer-by.

It's happened to me too. We all know that there are a bunch of flaky people and businesses out there, but when I get a good strong referral to a place or a person it tends to make me relax a little. When someone that I know and trust says that this person or business is good I tend to take their word for it.

Unforunately sometimes when you let your guard down based on a referral you get screwed. It sucks and I've been there. Because of those things I am veeeerrry careful who I refer. And if I do refer someone I will call the person or business and tell them that I referred someone to them and to make SURE that they take care of them. In the end if the referred person or business doesn't do right I end up having a guilty conscious.

aonghus - In your venting you were indeed bashing. Tell me if someone from San Diego area had posted and said "thanks I'll avoid the place" it wouldn't have made you feel good?

I'm not going to address every bit of this but I never threw out anything about your age and don't care how old you are. You sure write as if you have been persecuted though. If you feel that way it's self inflicted.

As for your dad and CC&R's does he write them for new residential development? If so he must be a realestate lawyer representing the developer who has instructed him. If not he's just honoring someone elses wishes. Same if he's in sales, he's just passing on existing CC&R's that were established when the property was developed. If he lets you use the driveway to work on your car even if he rents it to you he must not have that big of an objection to it.

Hope you are done venting, I didn't close this thread or delete it, I simply removed the business name several times...

WOW- try talking to the guy. Sometimes you'll be suprised by just having a calm conversation with the guy. He may step up and bring more to the party then you expect. I'd redo the exhaust anyway. Look at how low the the header hangs below the sub-frame. Yikes!

Cris

My dad writes CC&R's for any type of property that is comparmentalized/condominimized, for the most part (from my understanding) he gets a fairly free reign to do as he wishes, of course with client input in many cases. Aside from that, he specifically makes a point of telling me that he doesnt beleive in people working on their own cars, that being said: I don't see how the facts make me narrowminded, especially with regard to MY family.

moving on, I suppose you have a very lose defintion of bashing, not in a single word in my post did I ever say DONT TAKE YOUR CAR HERE THEY (insert choice explative)YOU!
I guess disney rules these forums.

I suppose the reason I reacted with such a hard contextual tone, was because practically everything you said with regards to my original post were based off of assumptions.

I would've been satified with no responses to the thread, or just some 'that sucks better luck next time'(s)

that sucks better luck next time graemlins/thumbsup.gif

I had a very similar experience a year ago...I won high bid for a set of mandrel bent pipes, 2-3chamber flowmasters, hangers, and tips. I take the mess down to my 'friends" shop and he tells me that the mufflers are wrong for the car. He traded me for some 2 chambers and started to install everything. I would peek back there every so often and check on the work...He made a few minor mistakes along the way. I pointed them out, and he took some serious offense to it!!! Needless to say, I won't have him work on my car any more. So I can see what you mean by "hiding stuff/they should tell you about the problems", but in all seriousness, you bring the car to him w/o headers and your subframes messed up, but you want the exhaust to be perfect. If he had unbolted the subframe and straightened everything out, your labor bill would be huge, and then you would be posting about how you got "ripped off" by xxxxx muffler shop. He probably wasn't trying to get one over on you, he probably figured he could make it work with the least out of pocket cost to you. It's too bad you didn't notice until 6 months later! It's a little late by then... So then the best thing you can do is learn from it and move on to the next project on the Camaro. Don't let it bum you out dude, it took me 4 years to get mine looking 1/2 way decent and I still have a long way to go!
Chin up and move on...

Dano graemlins/beers.gif

Originally posted by Mr. C:
that sucks better luck next time graemlins/thumbsup.gif thanks smile.gif lol

Sorry for the hassle!!

I had a smaller version happen to me when I finally decided to can the little-bitty glasspack I had gotten installed on my '87 Chevy Sprint ER corn-popper years ago b/c the buzzing was flat getting to me.

The dude installed the muffler cock-eyed and poorly spotted the tailpipe hanger AND within 2 hours the sucker popped loose and broke!!

Just luckily I got back into town just before they closed at noon that Sat. and got the DUDE to reweld the bracket solid!! AFTER raising h-ll with them b/c they just didn't think it was all their shoddy workmanship...

Anyway, I won't go there ever again!!

pdq67

PS., Oh, and btw, if not mistaken, mufflers can be flipped/turned over so that they will fit b/c almost all of the regular mufflers that I know about can flow both ways..

F/M's only flow one way though???

ya, flowmasters have a /\ shape in them that only works one way, i suppose it would work installed reverse, just would get crappy flow

from the picture you posted i would say the muffler shop did quite a nice job on there installation, considering the fact that you bought aftermarket prebent pipes, and it sounds like the cheaper of the other 2 mentioned as far as your budget was concerned, I can guaranty you that not everything aftermarket fits exactly as they say it will thats from 28 years experiance,it seems the muffler shop did there best and installed the parts you brought them,my first job after coming out of welding school ,was working for a muffler shop, being taught by the best,i remember we used to carry prebent tailpipes,head pipes etc... and half the time they never did fit so you would have to,heat them bend them etc.. to make them fit,even if there the same car there all a little different. if you want a 100% guaranteed fit you have it custom made at the shop, thats the only way to do it right,and not to rain on your parade but sticking a 3" tube system under your car is completly unnecessary, unless you have a 900hp fire breathing dragon under the hood,to utulize the system correctly, first of all you will never get the system to tuck up into the car as nicely as say a 2 1/4" system, which works quite well on my 500hp 383 stroker,68, 12;80 in street trim, its a quick car, you need the right amount of exhaust system backpressure to make the most for your motor.anyway i guess the point here is dont be so quick to judge those of experiance,say your dads friend at the muffler shop and if you really want to learn more about your car etc.. do some reading and studying up. chevrolet high performance magazine is a good place to start, and if you need some more help call me,id be glad to give you some advice, and please take this as constructive criticism, im only trying to help, take care regards tom, Camarodrive.

advice greatly appreciated smile.gif

the only solid gripe I had with them, was they didn't bother telling me they would have to bend out xpipe so drastically, if they had just told me, i would've been like 'shux' and woul dhave most definately returned the exhaust for a 2 1/2" system, and taken care of the twisting issue.

I do agree that I should have taken the ~2" route to begin with, I notice now with my car that it does not seem to pull beyond a certain rpm range like it did with the previous 2.5"

ah well, apologies to all for the perceived hostility, and thanks for the support

if it works eff it. the x pipe looks a little off center, other then that if it functions leave it alone.

The misaligned subframe is just an excuse, there's NO way it would cause that. The X-pipes that I've worked with have plenty of extra material so you can dial it right in. Look at how crooked the X is, the reinforcing plate that is welded to the X should be square to the car. I'd say the shop was mad that you didn't buy your stuff from them and they did the most half @ssed job they could.

Live and learn!

."this ones done". i know how ya feel,but it happens to the young and old and those in between.Sometimes its a crap shoot.the same shop could do an excellent job on one guys car and then turn arround and do a so so job on the next one, nothing personel.Keep the faith if it does'nt kill ya you can learn from it and thanks for venting Madcow Mike

Scott, that was and is almost exactly my sentiment. I threw my money away on services not provided to the level I made clear to them I expected, and payed for.

http://www.pypesexhaust.com/rpe631f.jpg

The Pypes diagram that I provided the installer with, and talked to him about how to install the system was completley disregarded, there is a straight section of pipe that is used in front of the "front pipes" that was completley disregarded, I've always known that there was a slight stagger with my headers, what I think no whappened was they disregarded the diagram, and just went ahead and welded it up, causing one pipe to be as so:

--\ /-----
X
---/ \-------

Maybe you insulted his abilities by giving him a diagram of how to do his job?? Still, there is no excuse for shoddy workmanship.

Originally posted by aonghus:
Scott, that was and is almost exactly my sentiment. I threw my money away on services not provided to the level I made clear to them I expected, and payed for.

http://www.pypesexhaust.com/rpe631f.jpg

The Pypes diagram that I provided the installer with, and talked to him about how to install the system was completley disregarded, there is a straight section of pipe that is used in front of the "front pipes" that was completley disregarded, I've always known that there was a slight stagger with my headers, what I think no whappened was they disregarded the diagram, and just went ahead and welded it up, causing one pipe to be as so:

--\ /-----
X
---/ \------- I'll probably get booted again for saying this, but no matter how old you are or, what your family circumstances are you do not deserve the patronizing brow-beating you got earlier.

No doubt to me, this looks like a hack job, plain and simple. Bent car or not, the difference in length of the super-comp headers should be obvious to all but the dimmest of installers. We are talking about a job that muffler shops have been doing since god was a boy, installing headers and mid pipes on a RWD V8 car, its not rocket science folks.
That being said, I have installed systems like this myself, using clamps to align everything, then taken the car to a shop to be welded. Despite the shoddy alignment, and unfortunate choice of hanger, the welding does not look half-bad. Maybe you can fix the alignment yourself, then have them weld?

Being from San Diego I am pretty sure I know the the shop your talking about that you went to. You also post a place you should have went to. To tell you the truth I would send a Car from Arkansas to Ed Hansons to have exhaust work done. That group is top notch all the way. The other front end place is bunch of goofs and they always have nice hotrods and other cars out front because the ownner is member of the over the hill gang the biggest street rod/hot rod club in San Diego county.

Better luck next time. My advice stay away from them save your money and go see Ed to have it fixed. He will take care of you and remeber you for life.

Joe

Joe, I absaloutely intend to go to Ed Hanson's from now on, they were the first shop that was reccomended to me, but at the time I had my exhaust installed, I had no driver liscense, just my permit, the shop I took my car to was 6 miles away, Ed Hansons is in Spring Valley, I would've had to take many a back roads. I forever regret that decision, since Im sure for the money I payed Ed Hanson's would have at least let me know of the problem, if not having done it right the first time. Gotta save some money up, then we'll see how I can handle it.

thanks for the comments guys. means a ton.

Having seen the result you got, I would not be very happy either. I think maybe they did the best they could with what they had to work with.
It looks to me that there is an obviuos difference in the height of the header drop on the two sides. I would think that would make the X pipe more out of shape to the diagonal and not the way it looks to be. I can't diagram this well, but I'll try and say that I think if they followed your frame rails as they are, you would end up with a system that would resemble this....
\. X pipe on the diagonal as opposed to this --, X pipe compensated for the tweak in the subframe from the same veiw you took the pic. Did you look under the car after you installed the Headers and see this? If you did, and noticed this, did you point this out to the shop? The other question is, did they see this, and not inform you of the condition, and installed anyway the best they could? IMO, it seems to be a lack of communication on both parties, and the diagram you provided illustrates an ideal condition. Not so ideal in your case.
Chalk it up to having all your "ducks in a row", and communicating to the shop all possible solutions, and coming to a compromise before work is started. If your sub is bent this bad to cause this, you will never get a good looking exhaust system. (as viewed from under the car). It will still work though.
I think it looks kinda jacked up myself, but it works doesn't it? If your sub is truly bent to cause this, you have much bigger issues to deal with. I see no foul on the shop other than a lack of communication... on both sides.

Drive over Mt Helix by taking the Sevrin/Furtie Dr exit (spelling on that one). Go over Mt Helix and when coming to the bottom of the hill on the otherside take the right instead of staying on the main rd that bends to the left. Follow it all the way down into Spring Valley. Just before Casa De Oro Bvl make you last right and you will end up in Ed's drive way. I used to live on the South Side of Mt Helix. If they heard you coming through people would just think it me moving back into town, which will never happen BTW.

Got a daughter that goes to Grossmont High, 11th grade. Where ya at out there?

Joe

Dear T-MAN;
apparently you have no idea what a decent exhaust system looks like, and have even less knowledge on what size exhaust belongs on cars. Yes the welds look halfway decent but as you can see from the picture, the entire system is completey crooked, one muffler is farther back from the other, and they welded to his seat belt brackets for a hanger!!! Sounds to me like a real crappy job. Also your ideas on 3" exhaust system is completely wrong. Any motor over 500hp can benefit from a 3" exhaust system, your 2 1/4" would work just great on a stock 120hp 78 Big 10 chevy stepside. I can tell you, you aint got 500hp running 2 1/4" exhaust. I think the reason your car is leaning out at higher rpms now, is because the car hasn't been tuned to the new exhaust, I suspect it is leaning out. With a free flowing exhaust you will need to retune the car now. Good luck.

Next time, rather then being sold on something found in a magazine or on the internet, do research ON who in your area does quality work.

Alot of the people who do really nice work, dont want to start with someone else's product in this type of situation.

BTW, i'm 20yrs old, i can sympathise with your story, No one but myself works on my car, simply for fear of a similar situation. I feel that you dont get top quality work unless you do it yourself and really put your heart into the work!

http://hobbystage.net/camaro/camaroracer/1097162359-004680.jpg

http://hobbystage.net/camaro/camaroracer/1097161567-004679.jpg

http://hobbystage.net/camaro/camaroracer/1097161332-004678.jpg

http://hobbystage.net/camaro/camaroracer/1087959759-003920.jpg

I designed the system, i cut, fit and tacked up the bends and tubing. I did the welds on the flanges, however the welding on the tubing was done by my dad.

I built my own hangers to locate off the factory exhaust hanger bolt holes going into the trunk pan. I didnt want to screw holes in my floor, so i made my own hangers, it worked out nicely.

The Best Way to gain REAL EXPERIENCE is to ask those Who know, be analytical, and take on one project after another.

There Arent too many who would believe a 20yr old could accomplish this with his own money and hard work:
http://hobbystage.net/camaro/camaroracer/1100467161-004933.jpg

http://hobbystage.net/camaro/camaroracer/1101255786-004980.jpg

http://hobbystage.net/camaro/camaroracer/1104511173-005211.jpg

taking the advise of a few good friends who give excellent advice and technical assistance.


One Note i would like to make, when i say i built the system, i mean I Built it, i designed it, i engineered it, i cut/fit and tacked and cut/fit some more. I built the H-pipe by taking lenghts of tubing and contouring cuts into the sides of the tubes to fit the V-shape cuts made on the cross section. I built the dumps extending from the mufflers by taking bends and cutting/shaping them into the dumps you see.


BTW, another guy who responded to your post is also a very accomplished Young Racer and car builder, who has quite a Nice car of his own, he built with his own hard work and with his own money!

Check out NHRA1877's Car!

[ 01-26-2005, 03:00 PM: Message edited by: Drag Fabricator ]

Already did check out his car, definately lookin good smile.gif we have the same tires lol

I definately agree with you though Drag, you want good work you do it yourself, in this situation I wasnt able to do it myself, I can't weld.

Though I suppose I didn't do my research well enough, I picked what I thought was the best at the time, going on the advice of those around me who are mechanically enclined (which has turned out to be a farse for the most part)

I just want to say, I'm never meant for this thread to get this lengthy, nor for it to seem like me calling for the waaaaambulance, just gotta learn what I can, and work with what I can.

just chalk it up as a learning experience. I usually brush off the advice given by people who did this 30yrs ago in favor of the advice by people who have been doing this for 20-30yrs or so.
Take into account how well it works for them before you fallow it.

aye, thats what I've learned for $300

Better than $3000 on a bad motor rebuild or crappy bodywork. It still ain't right. Hang in there. :cool:

Well, as long as we are showing off, I built my entire exhaust system myself, and every other entire thing on my car, I am 24 and paid for everything myself also;
The exhaust consists of;
Hooker SUper Comp 2" primary headers Ceramic Coated
Flowmaster 4-2-1 Scavenger collectors into 3.5 collector
Flowmaster "Ball and Socket" collector ends
Flowmaster "D-Port" crossover and elbows all 3"
Dynomax Ultraflow 3" offset/offset mufflers
3" Pypes Tailpipes
http://img114.exs.cx/img114/3350/exhaustside0xa.jpg
http://img84.exs.cx/img84/4598/exhaustfromback1cm.jpg
http://img84.exs.cx/img84/6701/exhaustfromfront6rb.jpg

http://img84.exs.cx/img84/2578/newexhaustfromback8aa.jpg

http://img84.exs.cx/img84/2462/newexhausttailpipe6xh.jpg
http://img149.exs.cx/img149/1983/powersteeringall5yr.jpg
http://img74.exs.cx/img74/1176/outsidepass.jpg

http://img74.exs.cx/img74/7278/outsideenginepass.jpg

[ 01-26-2005, 11:08 AM: Message edited by: cody ]

Nice work Cody! Must have paid attention in school and got a good job. :cool:

umm, not really, i am a peon at home depot! I am very resourceful and a hard worker if that counts though!

Cody,
That is really coming along nicely. Keep up the good work.

lol well we share one tihng in common, my name is Cody too, if you want some hosting space so you dont have to bother with usage limits with yahoo, PM me, I can set something up for you in a jiffy.


lol beleive it or not too, I was surfing around on here one night, and I found your page, I saw like maybe 3 pages before it gave me the 'this site has reached its max allowable bandwidth' message, this was around 10:00pm, so I stayed up til midnight just to see the rest of your car LOL

Cody, I've always thought your car was sweet! Great pics! graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Hey... in one pic though... is it an illusion or are some of your differential cover bolts not tightened down?

Drag and Cody you two young men have some talent. Those rides look great. I would give you some work on an exhaust system if I lived in your area.

Ed Hanson in the east county area of San Diego does some really sweet work. I know I have said it before in this post about him. Living in Arkansas, I am very tempted to drive my 67 out to San Diego to visit family and have the exhaust done by him. It's ashame but I have not found anyone in SOuth Arkanss that does work I like in regard to exhaust systems. I figure if they can't but a decent system under a pick-up then they have no business under my crappy looking Camaro, which is cleaner on the underside than it is on the top side, at least under the car is all one color!!

Joe

So, was I the only one who saw the emergency brake cable running over the top of the driveshaft???

What's holding it up there??? smile.gif

Originally posted by davidpozzi:
So, was I the only one who saw the emergency brake cable running over the top of the driveshaft???

What's holding it up there??? smile.gif The driveshaft :confused:

Kind of hard to see as the picture is a bit dark, but we are taking of the first picture posted - the one by aonghus

looks like the cables actually go between teh exhaust and driveshaft, not over it.

Originally posted by Joe Harrison:
Drag and Cody you two young men have some talent. Those rides look great. I would give you some work on an exhaust system if I lived in your area.

Ed Hanson in the east county area of San Diego does some really sweet work. I know I have said it before in this post about him. Living in Arkansas, I am very tempted to drive my 67 out to San Diego to visit family and have the exhaust done by him. It's ashame but I have not found anyone in SOuth Arkanss that does work I like in regard to exhaust systems. I figure if they can't but a decent system under a pick-up then they have no business under my crappy looking Camaro, which is cleaner on the underside than it is on the top side, at least under the car is all one color!!

Joe thanks Joe!

Why David!!!

Picky, picky, picky!!

He, He!!

If I could weld like that, I would open up a small shop and go at it!!

pdq67

Originally posted by cody:
looks like the cables actually go between teh exhaust and driveshaft, not over it. best chris farley voice from billy madison possible:

THAT IS CORRECT.

Sorry to hear of all your problems. I know Ed Hanson's shop is not cheap but have been around since the dawn of time. Since they saw I had put a lot of time, energy into my car, they went the extra mile to really make it nice and the way I wanted. With mufflers and x-pipe, I spent almost $850. Ouch, but in the end, I got exactly what I wanted. I hope they can help you out, if you go there but remember, they are having to work with what you already have unless you want to start over. That will be more costly but you will be happy. Otherwise, let them fix what they can so it won't fall out. Having worked on cars for a number of years, sometimes I find this saying to be true, you can pay now or you can pay later.

Hope you get it all taken care of.

hey mike, let me know when the next meetin' is and if your attending smile.gif my car is actually up and running this time around so I will be able to embarrass myself with you guys smile.gif