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I found it very interesting on how you guys figured out that last fake.
I was thinking of biding on this on if it stays under 4K. What do you guys think, a real DZ????
Thanks,

Actually this block looks pretty darn good. Would have to see the stamping without paint before deciding. I had one a few years ago that was V1005DZ, and this looks just like it (going from memory here). In fact, the bottom of the "Z" was barely visible on mine, just like this one.

However the rest of the story... not so sure. Would be pretty unusual to have the heads a full year older than the block. Also, I have had things stored, like many of you and I find it hard to believe that every week for the past 17 YEARS someone has performed the following:

"The engine has been kept in a very dry climate and rotated weekly (sometimes daily) to keep all parts lubricated and gaskets wet."

Still the block is the most important part, and it looks genuine to me, but again, I would like to see it without paint.

Lynn

Looks pretty good to me also. I'm not an engine stamp expert, but it compares well with the stamp pics in Macneish's book.

I agree with Lynn. I would have some reservations about not going through an engine that was built that long ago. I dont think it would need anything major. Peace of mind, if nothing else.

dave

Ok, I'll bite. Look at the number "1". It should look like an "I" for those numbers that use it. The "I" was used instead of the number "1".

Ok, I'll bite. Look at the number "1". It should look like an "I" for those numbers that use it. The "I" was used instead of the number "1".

Scot:

Actually it could be either the "1" or the "I" in that location. I have even seen a stamping with one of each. The V1005DZ block that I had used the "1". I remember the first time I saw an "I" used for a "1" I was suspicious, but have seen them both ways.

In fact, there is a perfect example on page 21 of Jery's book on 69's. The stamping represents Nov 18. The first and third digits use "1" to represent the number "one" but the second one is an "I". Probably only had two "1" stamps at the time so the stamper improvised with the "I".

Is Lou Costello in the building? Surely he could make this a little more clear.


Lynn

Same with "2"s. On the next page (22) of Jerrys book, theres a 0224 stamp with two clearly different 2s next to each other.

Only thing I see that "could" be (not saying it is) questionable is that the "0" in the middle of the stamp is deeper than the rest, while the "Z" is light. Doesnt make complete sense with a gang stamp setup, but it couldve just been a 0 stamp that cut better or was newer.

But I would actually be more wary of a stamp that was totally even and straight all the way across. I think this is probably a good (not "re") stamp.

dave

I have an original V1I19DZ. The 1 and the D don't look right. I hate to be negative but it is buyer beware these days

Upon further review...

The 1s have shown discrepancy. The before mentioned pg 21 stamp of the 1 I 1 shows two different "1"s on the same stamp.

The "D" is also a little square. But I think there was a thread on this a little while back how both the rounded and square Ds were used. This same discussion came up and someone had some evidence of an original with this square style of D. I'm guessing someone will chime in.

All I have to say is that if this turns out to be a restamp, this guy has gone out of his way to come up with quite a story to be a fraud. You never know these days, unfortunately.

dave

Looks nice.

It too find it nearly impossible to believe that someone actually maintained the rotating assembly every week for the last 17 years????

Looks nice.

I think this opinion means alot. But I would want to see inside the engine. What do the heads look like etc. Maybe the seller would remove the paint on the stamp to look for broach marks. If it is original paint I believe that the pad was not factory painted.

Hmmmmm - 'The engine has been kept in a very dry climate' - @50 miles from the Atlantic :rolleyes:

That's a double-sump (60's 'vette, truck & others) pan hanging under it* - would make me wonder what's inside... but, that's just the way I am :sad:

* would have to be swapped to fit a Camaro again...

Interesting the two zeros are different.......
The block stamping looks good to me but I don't consider myself an expert on that subject. I do know if Kurt S says "looks nice".... it's an original stamping.
Doug

If you look at Kurts comment the other way, it would be a sarcastic "NICE"! Which is it Kurt?

I agree it is probably an original stamping. My questions are about the rest of the engine. I know we see some pretty big "windows" for dated parts, but I don't see how both heads could be a year older than the block.

That and the 17 year maintenance story make me wonder.

Lynn

I agree it is probably an original stamping.
My questions are about the rest of the engine. I

That and the 17 year maintenance story make me wonder.

Lynn

"Zackly" :D

I don't question the stamping either - looks viable to me... but, it's the rest of the listing and the parts on the engine that would have me 'carefully returning my wallet to my pocket and backing slowly away' ;)

Besides the pan I earlier called into question the timing cover is also not correct, it's a later style (without the "Peace" stamp) and the fact that these parts are changed on an engine "that has low mileage, has been carefully exersized while occupying a prestigeous space in our 'climate controlled' shack out back..." just gives me the willy's - this engine has been apart - maybe by someone who is not beyond "stretching" the true about it's history (even to the point of making one up ???).
If you are legitimate and trying to sell a true "DZ" suffix-coded 4.0" standard bore block you would think photos of the engine, without the wrong coverings, showing the bores/crank/cam gear train/windage tray & ect... would do much more to get you a "fair" price.

Again JMHO's

Be afeared here - be very afeared... :waving:

No sarcasm intended. ;) And referring just to the pad stamp.

I am leaning towards real. But very slightly. I do know many 302's ended up in Vettes back then. -- Bryan

Hey now thats a new word...."afeared" :D hehe

"Zackly" :D

Be afeared here - be very afeared... :waving:

Hey now thats a new word...."afeared" :D hehe

Boy - I wish I could take credit for it... It's from some old movie, was 'Yosemite Sam' or maybe even a Three Stooges one, went something like - 'I was "afeared" that was gonna happen...' :D

Won't even take credit for the word "Haza-gaza" even though I've used it since @ mid-60's when I coldn't think of the name for something. I used to use it in seminars I taught all through the 70's across the US and Asia. Heard it for the first time on a radio show a couple years ago when riding with some old friends and they about fell out of the car laughing... :beers:
They'd never heard it anywhere and used to give me $hit for using it... They don't anymore ;)

Hello
You are the third person to ask me about the difference in the casting dates. I asked this same question to the man who pulled the motor originally and rebuilt it. He gave me the best answer that I heard (I asked the same one in 1988). He told me that as long as there were orders for cars that cars were built with what ever was needed to get them out the door. With such a late casting on the block I suspect that the heads were added from what was left or not used so as to complete the order. This same reason was echoed to me when I got married in 93 from a 48 yr GM employee (he painted them) who summed it best when he said “whatever it takes to make money, GM did”.

I have included a collection of pics from the bottom end. I did not get a shot of the pan, D_ _ N BATTERIES! Let me know what else I can do. Thank you for your email and interest in the DZ.



Rick


HPIM1907
HPIM1908
HPIM1909
HPIM1911
HPIM1912
HPIM1915
HPIM1916



This is a response from the seller. Unfortunately the pics did not come thru. Maybe someone else can ask.

I called him the day it went on Ebay said he had been offered 8000.00
I think he should have taken the offer.

I called him the day it went on Ebay said he had been offered 8000.00
I think he should have taken the offer.



Kind of like selling a house. Your first offer is usually the best offer.