just wanted to know how to tell if a yenko is authentic? :beers:

Go Here> http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/postlist.php/Cat/0/Board/yenko
And see if the VIN is listed for starters.

To find out if a SYC is a real Yenko or not just go to the supercar registry, and allow them to run your Vin numbers to see if they match any of the known Vins of the SYC Camaro's. The SYC was offered both as a factory L-72 and a dealer installed L-72 package. As for mine it is a Dealer conversion done by Jack Douglass in Hinsdale Illinois with permission from Don Yenko himself.

I did not realize any of the Douglass Yenko's were RS's....that's cool! Also, if I understand the story correctly, I think Jack Douglass got "Forgiveness" not "Permission} from Don Yenko!!

To clarify what 69RS said, in 67 and 68, the Yenkos were dealer installed L72's. In 69, they were factory installed under the COPO program COPO 9561 for the motor, and COPO 9737 for the "sports car conversion" (15" wheels, 140 speedo, 13/16" sway bar)

I am having problems accessing the Yenko vin numbers. Seems I am not allowed to own one I think.
Bill

Whats the VIN?

Did you go to the right location to find the 69 VIN list. Here's a direct shortcut.

69 Yenko Camaro VIN list (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/76004/an/0/page/0#76004)

Unreal that is correct about the COPO program and 1969 SYC's. Mine is a DEC. 68 built car (CE) sold in late 69. That being said mine was a dealer conversion. As for it having the RS option I'm under the impression it was a dealer addition or owner addition after the fact of the build. The reason I say this is because this car has many options such as delux interior with center console with 8 track on it, VE-3 front bumper, and the most non normal option was the color & top combo that being a 76E. When it comes to Douglass they didn't keep great records of what they did to any of there SYC builds. And I do stand corrected, Don Yenko did get very direct with Jack over the builds, so permission is not the best word to use..lol.

69 RS-Yenko, was your car a COPO when delivered or was it converted to a 427 by Douglas?

I'm fairly sure my Camaro was not a Factory Copo. Given the build date is Dec. 1968. If I'm correct the Copo option was not released until early build 69.

I believe the first batch of Yenkos were built in December 68, and were X66's. That was before Yenko's "COPO secret" got out. 69RS, you mentioned "CE" in an earilier post, which I assume meant a CE motor. What's the casting date on the block?

I have been intrigued by the Douglass Yenko's since the long discussion about them at Yenko.net, a few years ago. The discussion centered on whether or not the Douglass COPOs which were badged with Yenko stripes and emblems should be considered "real" Yenkos. The final "agree-not-to-agree" conclusion was to include an asterisk when referring to the Douglass cars.

Your car adds another twist....should a Douglass transplant with Yenko badges and stripes be considered a Yenko, or Douglass converted car, along the lines of Nickey, Baldwin, etc. Maybe double asterisk :)

I believe all known 69 Cannonsburg Yenko's were COPOs. I don't think there are any 69 Camaros which have been have been found to be dealer-converted by Yenko.

Unreal, this discussion was really "worn out" over at the SYC. IMO if the cars were ordered by Yenko and delivered to Douglass they are Yenkos. If Douglass ordered the cars for himself they are "Douglass COPOs" even if he put the stripes on. I don't believe Yenko did any conversions other than Novas after 1968. But they don't deserve an * They are what they are. If you started throwing asteriks around almost every HIPO car except Yenkos would have them!!!!!

COPO, I appreciate your opinion. But that's just what it is. Others, who are much more knowledgeable than I have the opinion that they are Yenkos because Don "approved" the conversion.

The subject may be "worn out", but it's never been settled....thus my "agree not to agree" comment.

And for the record, I'm not throwing asterisks around, just reporting on previous discussions

Unreal, I comletely agree with you, if they were Yenko approved I see no problem with that. I can't remember the whole thread but did'nt someone say Douglass was ordering cars on his own and striping them the without Yenkos approval? I always wondered why John P's White DY Camaro was the only one singled out to get the asterik? That is a very nice car and John has a good sense of humor about the whole thing.

Story is that Yenko shipped a truckload of Yenko Camaros to Douglass, and someone at Douglass found a shipper on the floor of one of them. It showed the COPO option, and someone from iDouglass contacted their zone manager about it. He checked into it and told Douglass if it was available to Yenko, it was available to any dealer. Douglass ordered some, (I've heard 25) and then tried to order the stripes and badges through Yenko's HiPo catalog. Someone smelled a rat and brought Don into the picture. Don flew off the handle, and flew to Chicago for a confrontion with Jack. When the shouting died down, Jack agreed to pay Yenko a "royalty" for the privilege of installing the Yenko stuff on his COPOs. I heard $500/ea, but I don't know for sure.

The discussion was around the white one which belonged to Stephano, who, as I recall, was trying to sell it. Yenkos have a higher market price than COPOs.......nuff said.

I really don't know how many Douglass Yenkos have been documented. I do remember a Garnet Red "Yenko" at the Camaro Nationals in Pigeon Forge in 1997. The buzz was that it was a fake, as it was not one of Don's 6 colors. I have often wondered if it was a Douglass Yenko.

There was a red Yenko that I saw for sale in Lancaster a couple of years ago. I assumed it was a clone. Then a red Yenko came up for sale a few months ago and the trim tag showed it was originally Lemans Blue. It turns out to be a real Yenko that the owner had painted red years ago. That might be the car you saw. I'm kicking myself because I never even stopped to look at the car that day I saw it. On the Douglass cars, I thought there was documentation showing that Douglass paid Yenko for the rights to put the striping and badging on his Copos to sell them as Yenkos.

I do remember a Garnet Red "Yenko" at the Camaro Nationals in Pigeon Forge in 1997. The buzz was that it was a fake, as it was not one of Don's 6 colors. I have often wondered if it was a Douglass Yenko.
The red Yenko that they pushed into & out of the '97 Camaro Nats was indeed real...it was the reasoning to paint an original Le Mans blue car *red* that was questionable...

I know everyone likes "resale red" but a Lemans Blue Yenko is as about as desireable as it gets!!!!

The discussion was around the white one which belonged to Stephano, who, as I recall, was trying to sell it. Yenkos have a higher market price than COPOs.......nuff said.

Yenko.

Hmm,
I was searching the Internet for an old advertisement regarding the Dover White Douglass Yenko, which I sold to John P. a while ago. I came across the quote above.
Interesting........

Also, 69RS-Yenko, are you stating that you have a 1969 Camaro from Douglass Chevrolet, which received an L72 transplant at the dealership, prior to having been sold as a new car?

Stefano,
I guess my point was that, in my opinion, if Yenkos and COPOs were valued the same, there would not have been as rigorous a discussion about whether or not Douglass Yenkos were "real" Yenkos. But since Yenkos generally sell for more than COPOs, it is financially advantageous to have a Douglass converted Yenko classified as a "Yenko" rather than a "COPO". I think the discussion was just as much about equity as purity.

As I've said before, I personally like the Douglass Yenkos. I like the story, and I like the fact that Douglass ordered different colors.

In my opinion, value on most cars depends on documentation.

If Douglass sold 427 COPOs converted to Yenkos and non converted then you need to have some documentation to show the car was sold as a Yenko Camaro.

Original paint, original paperwork, original baby pictures or somthing showing it as a Yenko would be needed as the POP or NICB would not show it as a Yenko and the vin will not show on the Yenko list.

Yenko value is supported by the original documentation that has survived.