: This will make you sick -
Jul 18th, 05, 12:51 PM
I dont know if this has been posted here or not before, but if you have not
yet seen this, it will give you an upset stomach. Use Caution before viewing.
1967 Camaro SS-RS Conv 427
1968 Camaro SS-RS Conv 350
1969 Camaro SS-RS Conv 350
1969 Camaro RS Z/28 X-Ram JL-8 unrestored orig.
1969 Camaro SS-RS 350
1969 Camaro SS-RS 396
1970 Camaro RS Z-28
Jul 18th, 05, 01:43 PM
Oh the pain (in my best Dr. Smith voice... from Lost in Space)
Jul 18th, 05, 02:00 PM
I heard about that this morning.A couple people I know were there,but I didn't see any pics until now. :(
Jul 18th, 05, 02:22 PM
OK.. that is not true..that is some photo shop or some kind of doctored photo.. I refuse to believe it!
It must have happened at a rolling start or very early on in a race.. so many cars in one place at one time ....that is crazy! I have raced a long time and I will tell you that anything can happen at anytime to anyone...however.. I also know that Vintage racing can sometimes be very relaxed on their tech requirements.. sometimes there is no tech...and licensing requirements. I am very curious how this happened.
Jul 18th, 05, 02:44 PM
Jul 18th, 05, 02:44 PM
Appears to have been a real accident - here's the linked posted on Yenkos.net:
Jul 18th, 05, 03:39 PM
WOW!! To be out there racing around a track with irreplacable cars is beyond my comprehension. What a shame. Over on the yenko thread it said the guy with the 69T/A had owned the car a month or two...:(
Jul 18th, 05, 04:49 PM
Most insurance companies will not honor your claim if your racing. Even on a track.My classic insurance said so right in the fine print. :clonk:
Jul 18th, 05, 05:03 PM
Here is some discussion on it. Wreck link with messages (http://www.pbase.com/atrltd/bric2005)
Jul 18th, 05, 07:00 PM
A late green flag? There is no such thing.. this is what I am talking about in my earlier post...I knew this happened at a start..I could tell...I set a track record at Road America in 2001 that lasted for three years and it is a very fast 4 mile road course with maybe one slow corner being turn five where you brake from about 150mph to 40mph...the start finish is unique in that it is uphill and the flag station is blind to anyone deeper than the 10th row...but that is why race cars are supposed to have radios.....your spotter gives you the green flag even when you are on pole and keeps you informed of track/race conditions . I do not think 50 miles an hour is too fast for a start..but if the flag man doesn't through the flag you can't stab your brakes either.... you know you are stacked and as the pole sitter you have to set a pace that allows a proper formation so you can get the green flag or they wave you off and you drive the next 4 miles and do it better...to me this had to be caused by a driver error or mechanical failure , somewhere somehow... not the flag mans fault. However , the sanctioning body needs to be clear in their drivers meeting about what kind of race they are going to run....and with less experienced drivers in big HP cars with so so brakes and cold tires that is real important.. there is going to be a lot of finger pointing on this one.Maybe even a few controlled starts the day before with on short fun race to make sure everyone is in tune.
I feel bad for everyone involved...Road America is such a wonderful course..like a European track...green everywhere.. nice elevation changes and very fast and smooth ! Even though the straight is uphill my speed at braking was 176 mph going into turn 1 so you better have a little speed going uphill to the start finish.
My heart goes out to all the drivers...and if it was caused by driver error , especially to that driver...many a fine driver has made a mistake, more than once.. you do it long enough everyone has their turn in the barrel.
Jul 18th, 05, 07:03 PM
A little 3M perfect it and an orbital buffer...piece of cake :D
Jul 18th, 05, 07:29 PM
I saw a lot of the cars involved in this wreck at the car show on friday night. They have a big show were they drive the cars from the track right into downtown Elkart Lake.
As a matter of fact I talked to the owner of the 69 Trans Am that night. This is were it really gets sad, he told me they took an original 1969 Trans Am street car and made it into the the race car you see wadded up in the picture.
Jul 18th, 05, 09:07 PM
Blue... I did that drive with a police escort in a 2100 lb race car with no lights! And the cop was doing about a 100 to downtown Elkhart Lake for the display ... in a race car with no insulation and 14 1/2 inch slicks picking up every pebble it sounds like your car is coming apart! Elkhart is a great town....here is look at the flag station that was being discussed on one of the links...the yellow car is mine . I will try and see is I can do a small movie file so you all can see what that track is like at the green flag
Jul 19th, 05, 04:20 AM
I don't see pictures of the two 67 Z-28's that a poster on Yenko.net says were destroyed in the accident. Can anyone confirm that this is true?
The quote is as follows:
"I was at this race and at the start/finish line on the starting grid for the chaos. I spent the last three nights at the house of the owner/driver of the #64 black '69 Corvette and we watched some in car videos of the event last evening. He was hit by the red '65 Corvette at full speed and his car lifted completely in the air. His car then hit the car in front of him and spun. He was looking at oncoming traffic with cars going full bore. He finally ended up slamming backwards into Dick Mooney's Corvette. Bill Morrison is under the mass of cars, he seemed fine. Bill bought that car as salvage in '65 and has been racing it since. He built a sister car to this one that I owned and raced a bit. I flew in a helicopter over the holding area for all the cars, there were 18 there, most severely damaged. The Cobra and the two real 1967 Z28's with TA history were all beautiful and are toast, especially the black Z that Reggie Jackson owned. Very sad indeed. "
Oct 25th, 05, 05:42 PM
There were no less than 3 threads on this, but this one seemed best to add this. Car & Driver ran a snippet on this wreck a few months ago. Here is the pic & story. Look at the estimated price tag! $2M!