Progress!! The White Wonder may be back on the road tomorrow... :beers: If anyone can turn a weekend project into what seems like forever, my family can. Summer fast pitch ended a few weeks ago and I've had a bit more time for the Camaro and here's the results.

The hose clamps are temporary as I don't have any welding tools. The hard lines are my 1st attempt at bending and double flaring and all and all it went well. I guess the proof will be when I bleed the rear brakes and don't have any leaks. The Moser diff cover adds a nice touch, it ran the cost of the overall job a bit though... Some of you may have read about my axle problems, glad that just ate up time and didn't incure any additional costs.

Remember my cars a driver so the under side is not as pristine as it could be.

very nice, Dennis...hmmm, you get to post attachments?

For not being pristine, you have a very clean looking car!

Nice accomplishment. I'll be interested in your road impressions as I'm following in your steps.

what rear disc setup are you using?

Thanks guys, rkw - I'm using the www.Touring-Classics.com (http://www.touring-classics.com/) 12" rear kit. It uses C4/4th gen (pre '98) calipers. I'll be adding more to the tech reference brake article when I get the time and hope to have a very positive experience on the road to share...

how was the kit and do you like em? i am thinking about kits for front and rear from them also. How bout a pic of the drivers side if you can. wondering about the posistion of the caliper on that side

how was the kit and do you like em? i am thinking about kits for front and rear from them also. How bout a pic of the drivers side if you can. wondering about the posistion of the caliper on that side

I think the kits are very good, I really can't compare to others though as I haven't done a Baer or SSBC kit before. A persons mechanical ability is the only limiting factor. For the things that make the install a bit more than just a bolt on there is plenty of warning if you read the provided information before starting. Axles have to come out, flanges machined and brake hard lines need to be made.

I'm about to go bleed the rear brakes and should have my first impressions of the brakes a bit later this evening.

Here's the driver side...

How do you do attached thumbnails? Is that an administrator thing or does everyone get to do it?

How do you do attached thumbnails? Is that an administrator thing or does everyone get to do it?

I was ignoring Jim ;) I guess you could say it's one of the perks of moderating... I believe the future might see it becoming available to others but not sure when or how it will be implemented.

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I've been for a test drive and no visible signs of leaks and the car stops well under normal conditions. I do need to work with the adj prop valve but there just isn't a good place to test with all the traffic around here. I was able to get in some moderate stops to help season the rotors a bit but every corner I turned along came the police. We have a neighborhood sub-station around the corner, being well protected has it's price I guess...

very nice, Dennis...hmmm, you get to post attachments?
How do you do attached thumbnails? Is that an administrator thing or does everyone get to do it?
For a little bit of administrator's privilege, try photobucket. :D
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/ssxty8/Car%20stuff/th_85e4fbbc.jpg (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/ssxty8/Car%20stuff/85e4fbbc.jpg)

I was ignoring Jim ;)

IGNORING JIM! How dare you....hehe. My prior offer of a hard drive still stands, Dennis.....:)

Think I'll go back in my corner now, wouldn't like to get in trouble like a certain someone is this week....

Dennis,

That thing is filthy - I understand your embarrasment.

Are you kidding? I could SHOW you some driver pics!

Nice job!

Nice job, Dennis. Glad to see you took the advice of a "girdle" for the cover.

I'm sure a parts list is coming........

WOW, sweet setup. Nice job on the lines as well. (hose clamp?!)

As far as the filth and general nastiness of that underside, I'd be downright embarassed to even show it to anyone. You're brave my man.... brave!
;)
(you could eat off that underside!)

Thanks guys,

Joe - bending the lines was actually not as hard as I thought. I plan to bend the factory tabs up and drill a small hole in them to attach some small nylon clips I have for support and a more finished look. I may make another bracket like the one holding the "T" fitting to support the line over the pumpkin as well.

As for the undercarage I wipe it down before larger shows so it stays somewhat clean. By pristine I really was refering to overall finish of things like the frame rails floor pans and such. I do appreciate all the props, thanks again...

Everett - what do you need as far as a parts list? rotor's? calipers?

Jim - I got the inside scoop on you from a mutual friend... You're just a trouble maker ;) j/k I'll remind Al of the drive offer, thanks...

car looks great, Dennis... do ya know how she stops yet?
ragtops forever!

Thanks guys, I plan to bend the factory tabs up and drill a small hole in them to attach some small nylon clips I have for support and a more finished look.
Everett - what do you need as far as a parts list? rotor's? calipers?
I'd used the cushioned Adel clamps to hold the lines. They would provide a cushion to the line to prevent vibrations from rubbing a hole into the line.

Yes, p/n's for calipers, rotors, cables, and brackets. You probably bought a kit, which would be a good idea, let someone else do the engineering.

Darn nice undercarriage.

Here's the complete kit... http://www.touring-classics.com/Rear-12.htm I know they sell the brackets, cables and other parts if you want to round your own rotors and calipers...

Thanks!

Dennis, did you ad parking brake cables yet?

I have that same set up on a '70 Nova, but I have't added the cables yet. Seeing if there is anyting to it.

Mark the e-brake setup is great and as simple as it gets. Touring Classics sells the cables for the C4 calipers (they come in the kit as well) with ends on them to fit into the stock e-brake setup at the same place the drum cables hooked to.

Looks great Dennis! I got my kit from Jonathan also (nice guy to deal with) except I painted my rotors furd red. My buddy who's a mustang guy said " ha caught you chevy guys using ford color paint", I told him only on the brakes...cause it helps to slow the car down! LOL!!

http://home.hawaii.rr.com/jordanshawn/P1010018copy.jpg


http://home.hawaii.rr.com/jordanshawn/P1010015%20copy.jpg
Was it a pain taping up the rotors?

Ray

Just a question about the calipers/pads and how much of a contact pattern they have with the rotor.
In the pics they look like they barely catch the edge of the rotor.... maybe an inch by comparing the size to everything else in the picture. Looks like half of the rotor surface isn't even touched.
Am I just nit-picking? They look huge for rear brakes anyway so I'm sure they work great.

What did you you do to your gas tank Dennis? What's it coated with?

Looks good. The 68 I had last year had one of those inexpensive conversion kits. It used the GM front rotors and single piston calipers on the rear. But if you wanted a parking brake you needed to use the Cadillac calipers with the built in parking brake. I bought a master cylinder/booster off Ebay that was for a Vette 4 wheel disc brake setup and that car stopped awesome! With the 16" wheels, modern tires and 4 wheel discs it drove better than most newer cars. I'm partial to 4 wheel disc brakes.

http://cjcfo.fbody.com/members/jeffhansbury@comcast.net/68LT1/68LT1-21.jpg

Ray - Great job on your brakes, everything looks real clean. I take it you have a '67 with non-staggered shocks. Where do your hard lines go where they make a 90 deg bend over the axle tube? Dod you just run them below so they didn't interfer with the u-bolts?


Taping the rotors was fairly easy. I used Scotch blue masking tape and ran it over the edge of the hat and then used a razor blade and cut out the inner edge and pealed away the tape from the area I wanted painted. Also ran it over the outer edge and ran the blade at an angle around the edge like I was shaving and got a good crisp line...

http://www.camaros.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=75

Joe - if you look at the widest part of the pad, it covers all but the inner 1/2" or so of the rotor's contact surface (the inner most drilled hole is part of the contact area). Contact area is important but the further out from the center of the hub the pad is the more leverage and stopping power.

I don't think you can see my tank in any of the pictures. Maybe you are asking about Ray's tank? My tank though is natural but has been shined up a bit with Never Dull.

Mark the e-brake setup is great and as simple as it gets. Touring Classics sells the cables for the C4 calipers (they come in the kit as well) with ends on them to fit into the stock e-brake setup at the same place the drum cables hooked to.

I'm actuall using LT1 Camaro calipers and rotors. I thought that's what the TS kit used.

Mark I think the C4 and 4th gen LT-1 calipers are the same but the C4 rotors are just a bit larger at 12" x .79" than the LT-1's...

:clonk:
Yer right.... was looking at his tank. Looks great.

Thanks Guys!

Dennis, Yeah you're right its a 67 with non staggered setup and I bent the brake lines that way to clear the u-bolts.

Joe, If I remember correctly the calipers are from a 93-97 camaro that uses 11" rotors. The kit we are using utilizes longer brackets and 12" rotors.Maybe thats causing the space/gap you are seeing. I had to actually have my caliper brackets made from scratch because the supplied brackets would not properly retain my furd type pressed in bearings (new brackets have smaller i.d. hole)

I painted my tank a PPG single stage metallic silver (don't remember exact color off hand ) after I welded in a sump and return line fitting for elec. pump.
http://home.hawaii.rr.com/jordanshawn/P1010012copy.jpg

Ray

I've got the kit too and have added the Hydro-Boost to it too. Not quite finshed waiting on zinc washing the rotors and the axle flanges to be turned.

Dennis, got a question on the pics of your rear disc conversion. I've ordered the shortened hard lines I need from Right Stuff Detailing and the Wilwood 18-inch flex line kit with fittings, but need the L-brackets to mount the fittings. Can I get those at any local parts store, or are they special ordered?
Thanks,
Earl

Earl, I used the bracket supplied by Right Stuff detailing that was intended to be welded to axle tube, but instead had it tack welded to a extra exhaust hanger bracket and then did what Dennis did and hoseclamped to axle tube. Mine is still like that after a year of service and no problems.

The bracket, fitting and clip for the brake line came with the kit I used, you might try www.touring-classics.com and look for a phone number to call them and see if they would sell you a pair. I think it's all identical to what Baer supplies as well. It wouldn't be too hard to fab up the bracket thought and you might try AMK Products for the fittings and clips.

Hey, I'm new and can't figure out how to find my questions and certain blogs, but I was needing to know all the specs of your wheels on your 69 camaro. Like, size, width, BACKSPACING, tire size etc. thanx

Look on the right in any of your posts to find your blog or look for the User CP link in the upper left of any page...

For my Wheel and tire info follow this...
http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=100853

And for suspension...
http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=103250

Dennis,
I put a TA rear end cover on Mary's 73 Camaro, it leaked gear oil out where the tension bolts are. I had to wrap teflon tape around the threads to seal them up. Any leaks on yours?
David

Dennis,
I put a TA rear end cover on Mary's 73 Camaro, it leaked gear oil out where the tension bolts are. I had to wrap teflon tape around the threads to seal them up. Any leaks on yours?
David

It's been a while but I seem to recall using a little Aviation Sealer (the stuff you would use on rocker studs that go into the water jacket). My problem turns out to be porosity, I have gear oil leaching through the housing leaving a permanent stain. Same thing on the valve covers but the lighter engine oil wipes off and looks ok, the diff cover won't clean up...

I clear coated Mary's cover, it's a TA version, no porosity issues, but we kept finding drops of oil on the front of the gas tank and it was always wet around the bolts. I like to clear coat any cast surfaces so it doesn't suck up oil and look so dirty.

I clear coated Mary's cover, it's a TA version, no porosity issues, but we kept finding drops of oil on the front of the gas tank and it was always wet around the bolts. I like to clear coat any cast surfaces so it doesn't suck up oil and look so dirty.

I've always dusted alum intakes with cast blast silver for the same reason, might have to do the valve covers and diff cover too!