View Full Version : Finally Found a 69 Z28 in Manila


csn69ss
Nov 29th, 05, 10:32 PM
Yesterday I finaly found a 1969 Z28 RS after more than 3 years of searching.
There are not many Z28'z around here in the Philippines, I know only of a couple at they have not been for sale, that is up to now.

Here are the details:

VIN 124379L505874, hidden vin matches
TRIM TAG: ST 69 12437 LOS 143778
TR 711 57 57
10D X423
Engine: VI012DZ behind alternator
Engine VIN: 19L505874 at oil filter pad
Casting number: 3932386
Transmission P8H12A but not sure, anyway couldn't find vin on transmission.

It has the solenoid on the wiper motor and some vacuum lines, but headlights covers are not working, some parts missing.

Currently it is blue with white stripes and deluxe black houndstooth interior. Wide rear spoiler ? Cowl hood, dont know if its original.
7k tach with 6K redline, gauge package.

unfortuneately trimtag has been removed at some point in the past during painting. Trimtag is currently attached with non-original rivets.

I hope to be able to post pictures soon.

HawaiianCamaro
Nov 29th, 05, 10:43 PM
1 = Chevrolet
2 = Camaro
4 = 8-cylinder engine
37 = coupe body
9 = 1969 model year
L = Los Angeles, CA assembly plant (Van Nuys)
505874 = vehicle serial number sequence

Decode for body number: 143778

10D = Built the Fourth week of October.
69-12437 = Coupe.
LOS = Built in Van Nuys California.
711 = Standard Black Bucket Seats.
57-57 = Car Color is Fathom Green
X423 = internal plant scheduling code.


WOW Nice find!!!! still lookng for a PI built 1st Gen if you find any for sale :)

From the CRG website:
Cowl induction hood (except Z11/Z10 pace cars and COPO); mid-December introduction; available only on SS, Z28, and COPO.

csn69ss
Nov 30th, 05, 07:18 AM
Thanks Hawiaan Camaro

Unfortuneatly even I thought the deal was solid, it didn't come through. I have been looking for a Z for a long time, it makes me even more bitter, now I don't even know if I want to post the pictures. this might have been my only change to own a Z28. This was a real deal.

i have a 69 Yutivo Camaro on hand for 10k us, prices are getting jacked up here.

Claus S. Nielsen

csn69ss
Nov 30th, 05, 07:20 AM
So spoilers and cowl hood has been added, the hood didn't look right to me too. Anyway i like the spoiler less look on a 69, too late - too bad.

click
Nov 30th, 05, 07:30 AM
that car is a weekly cousin to mine, about 75 cars difference between them in VIN (505849). Yep, cowl hood and long spoiler were added by later owners, same as mine. But nice find if you could have gotten it

my cowl tag is 132383 and my production code is X 164
so they were probably in sight of each other going down the line :)

mccorry
Nov 30th, 05, 04:44 PM
25 cars, Click... not 75.

Nice find! Looking forward to pictures.

click
Nov 30th, 05, 05:07 PM
where did I learn to add, thanks steve :)
He said he didnt get it tho, but hope he posts the pics anyway.

csn69ss
Nov 30th, 05, 07:16 PM
Even I am still very upset I am gonna post the pictures, give me a few days as I am still out of town.
The car was far from perfect, but matching Z's are extremely hard to find. I know of one more 1 owner car here, but the guy DONT wanne sell.

csn69ss
Nov 30th, 05, 09:39 PM
OK here are the pictures

http://www.69pace.com/z28/IMG_6670.JPG



http://www.69pace.com/z28/IMG_6671.JPG


http://www.69pace.com/z28/IMG_6674.JPG

http://www.69pace.com/z28/IMG_6691.JPG

And here is a link to more pictures of the car

http://www.69pace.com/z28rs.htm

mccorry
Dec 1st, 05, 06:00 PM
Thanks for the pictures! Neat car.

What's with the funky vent in the dash (where the HVAC controls would be)?

3forme
Dec 1st, 05, 07:37 PM
Very cool

Billy d.
Dec 1st, 05, 11:55 PM
looks like the car had factory air,according to the picture (link)showing the passenger side fire wall(where the heater box should be,but looks like there was a AC box).but of course its almost 1:00 in the morning.

csn69ss
Dec 2nd, 05, 05:37 AM
No air available in Z28's

KevinW
Dec 2nd, 05, 05:52 AM
That car was definetly a Factory Air Conditioning car! There is still the cowl max air flapper in the cowl. RS solenoid is still there, so my guess it was an RS with A/C originally. Not a Z/28. Do not feel bad you missed it. The car still had potential. Even though VIN and trim tag match date-wise, the fact it has deluxe interior and the trim has been removed, is a red flag.

click
Dec 2nd, 05, 09:19 AM
also noticed 2 knobs to the right of the wiper control, never seen those before. Kevin is right about the a/c cowl part and solenoid.

csn69ss
Dec 2nd, 05, 06:53 PM
You guys saved my day.
I was kinda down that I didn't get the car, and I know that the car will go to another place where it will be converted to right hand drive, will this delete the aircondition "evidence".

I quess I was too exicted and didn't notice the factory air equipment. I checked underneath and it also had dual fuel lines, but i thought it was added, Doesn't Z/28's have single fuel line ?
Also the dual exhaust hanger bracket was missing, but there was some damage to the frame with holes so I figured it had fallen off.

I will post picture of the fuel lines.

Thanks

csn69ss
Dec 2nd, 05, 07:06 PM
That car was definetly a Factory Air Conditioning car! There is still the cowl max air flapper in the cowl. RS solenoid is still there, so my guess it was an RS with A/C originally. Not a Z/28. Do not feel bad you missed it. The car still had potential. Even though VIN and trim tag match date-wise, the fact it has deluxe interior and the trim has been removed, is a red flag.

I know the aircon option rules out the Z28, but the RS solenoid, couldn't it have been a RS Z/28 ??
It also has aircon kick panels, doesn't it ??
Here is the picture of the fuel lines

http://www.69pace.com/z28/IMG_6700.JPG

Muscle Mad
Dec 2nd, 05, 07:33 PM
How Much Was This Car In U.s Dollars, Robbie

mccorry
Dec 2nd, 05, 08:33 PM
Best that it could be would be an RS/SS car.... def. not a Z of any kind.

csn69ss
Dec 3rd, 05, 12:11 AM
Best that it could be would be an RS/SS car.... def. not a Z of any kind.
I know the aircon option rules out the Z28, but the RS solenoid, couldn't it have been a RS Z/28 ??
It also has aircon kick panels, doesn't it ??
Here is the picture of the fuel lines

What I meant that based on the RS solenoid it could have been an RS Z, I know the aircon rules the z out. I just misunderstud an earlier reply about the solenoid.

Can anyone based on the pictures see whether it was an original 4 speed car ?

It could have been an RS/SS but it would have the dual exhaust hanger then, I didn't get a picture of the frame but for sure the plate was gone and there was some damage and 2 relatively small holes in the frame where the dual hanger would be located. Now its just a mismatch of parts from different cars, at best it could be made into a Z clone now - I am glad I didn't get it.

Kurt S
Dec 3rd, 05, 12:11 AM
I'm thinking the car, 9L505874, was a Z.
It now lives on in another body. Bet those partial VINs on the body don't match.....

csn69ss
Dec 3rd, 05, 12:18 AM
I'm thinking the car, 9L505874, was a Z.
It now lives on in another body. Bet those partial VINs on the body don't match.....

I checked the partial vin under the cowl, very hard to read but some numbers in the VIN matched, no photo though, I assumed the rest was correct. or maybe they welded that part of the cowl with the hidden VIN in. Now I would like to chek the other hidden VIN.

I quess Kurt is right that the 9L505874 was a Z based on the engine VIN (which looks ok) and the DZ stamp. So it was rebodied onto an aircon car, why bother so much and then overlook something like that.

The guys were selling it as a Z and I thought it was a Z, I was just too exited about the DZ and VIN stamp on the engine.

csn69ss
Dec 3rd, 05, 12:26 AM
http://www.69pace.com/z28/IMG_6720a.JPG

csn69ss
Dec 3rd, 05, 12:32 AM
http://www.69pace.com/z28/IMG_6673a.JPG



http://www.69pace.com/z28/IMG_6672a.JPG

csn69ss
Dec 4th, 05, 08:11 AM
How Much Was This Car In U.s Dollars, Robbie

25000 usd and I heard the guy that got it paid 29000 usd, but they were asking 25000 from me. Too much for a clone.

Gary L
Dec 4th, 05, 08:36 AM
Boy did you luck out.

csn69ss
Dec 8th, 05, 04:07 AM
Boy did you luck out.

Yeah, and thanks to the info here I would not have handed over the cash to the seller had I gotten the car. I didn't have that kind of cash in the Philippines and the bank transfer took longer than for you guys to spot the car as a fake.
Once again thanks to all.

zdld17
Dec 8th, 05, 07:00 AM
I thought all 69's had hvac ( no ac on z) controls where that vent is, even right hand drivers.

csn69ss
Dec 8th, 05, 09:58 PM
I thought all 69's had hvac ( no ac on z) controls where that vent is, even right hand drivers.

My thinking is the vent was installed before the car became a Z :rolleyes: at the time the car had aircondition. Due to the very hot conditions in the Philippines the owner added the extra vent to get more airflow. I think the aircon was then controlled from the added knobs on the left of the steering coloum.

Some Camaro owners put new japanese aircon compressors and seperate evaporators inside the car to keep it cool enough in the tropical Philippines.

csn69ss
Dec 14th, 05, 12:08 AM
They have "relistet" the car at 30.000 usd. Seems like the other buyer backed out at 29000 usd - good for him. I have made an offer basing the car as a clone and asked about the original body. Seller claims it to be real - I hope they will get stuck with the car.
Oooh what the h... I will search for a real Z28 instead.