I just took the camaro out and tried to buy gas. 2.10 a gallon for premium !!! and that was after finding a station that had some. Three had nothing but regular unleaded at 1.80/gal. Seems a pipeline broke between Texas and Arizona so now there is a shortage of gas and the price for regular unleaded is fast approaching 2.00 a gallon.

It's jumped 28 cents a gallon here in the last 10 days. I CANNOT believe there is nobody that can control these guys. They do WHATEVER they want to with pricing.

Jody

WOW!! thats amazing. i cant believe it!!!i dont know how i would feel if reg unleaded wa $1.80 a gallon but that would sure save me alot of money if it was that cheap over here in the s.f. bay area. anyway, gas is not just creaping but it is shooting up over here. but as everyone knows, we pay a whole lot of cash even though the refinery is in our back yard. what i thought was funny was that i heard the people in iraq are pissed because thier gas prices have double. to .11 cents.

angel

Man, wasn't it just down 1.79 last week? (reg unleaded)? This week it's 1.89 for reg. I hate the fickle pricing... graemlins/angry.gif ... Angel, it was good meeting you and your family yesterday at the carshow...Hopefully you can bring one of you cars to the Hillsdale carshow on the 7th, and hookup with us... Mike graemlins/beers.gif

Huummm - let's see - Last Holiday for the year coming up - gas always go up for some 'lame a$$' reason a couple weeks before EVERY major holiday in the US and ... well you figure it out.
Take a good look at the charting done by Lundberg (spelling?) AAA or any of the other groups that follow the oil/fuel industry and you will see the same trend for the last couple years.
'Rip Off' - why yes.
Sit tight - it will be back down right after the holidays.

BTW - Marine fuel at the lake this weekend = $3.12 (gal.) for 92 octane.

Our local station has regular unleaded for $1.42 a gallon, but that is up .06 from 2 weeks ago. I just put premium($1.61) in my boat today, but my SS454 pickup only needs regular(that helps when you get 11.5 mpg).

Originally posted by Jeff H:
Our local station has regular unleaded for $1.42 a gallon, but that is up .06 from 2 weeks ago. I just put premium($1.61) in my boat today, but my SS454 pickup only needs regular(that helps when you get 11.5 mpg). I guess my problem is twofold; we have several refineries in our state, but our gas is always much more expensive than other states, 50 cents per gallon more than yours. Secondly, my gas bill exceeds $3K per month with my work vehicles so a 20% increase like we just had is $600+ per month to me. Just doesn't seem right.

Your gas has "jumped" 6 cents in two weeks; ours has jumped nearly 30 cents in the same time-frame.

Nothing against you Jeff, just venting is all!!! ;)
Jody

Just before the "2003 black out" gas around here was around $1.54, Soon as the lights came back on, the price jumped close to .20 cents!
I dont get it.....Don't we own Iraq now? Gas should be about a buck a gallon. graemlins/sad.gif

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The little guy is getting the shaft again!! I should just convert my camaro to run on propane or water or something!

hey mike, it was great meeting you and red rocker also. my daughter alyssa said you guys were the ugliest guys she has ever met but you two had the most beatiful cars at the show which made up for it. lol. anyway, very nice cars. still dont know when ill be able to pull the motor out of my 69. i just bought a 68 dodge charger today. maybe i can take that. its the bullitt kit made by ertl in its american muscle line. i bought it at target. i also saw the mustang and it looked pretty cool but as i sat there looking at it, i said "i cant have a ford in my house". anyway, vintage, what lake did you go to? i take my own gas to the lake. i first fill up my two 15 gallon tanks and bring six 5 gallon cans. i have to use 110 ocatane for my motor cuz its at 13.5 -1 ratio. thats the bad part about my motor.

angel

Yeah, you guys are getting shafted out west. I keep an eye on our gas prices because I barely get 11.5 mpg. Luckily I only have a 10 minute drive to work. A 454 with 4.10 gears is not exactly a fuel efficient combination. At least it has overdrive which helps on the highway. These short term gas price increases need to be investigated. Refineries buy their oil 3-4 months before the gas ever reaches the market so how can a problem today affect the price tomorrow when we're buying gas that is based on prices 3-4 months earlier?

I'm glad I just filled up mine. 1.43 for reg, 1.59 for super.

Does this mean Circle K gas is the same as Chevron and Texaco. It all comes from the same pipeline.

Jack, have they said when it is going to be fixed? Hasn't it been about a week?

Did you hear the govener last night? She said they are trucking in more gas than we use, it is just a distribution issue. Whatever. Maybe I'll get a day off if I can't get any gas to go to work. ;)

Lonnie

Yup, same pipeline, same gas. I am going to be a lot less choosey after this.

A couple of the people here at work stated they had to ride the bus ?? today. I didn't even know you could do that in Phoenix. I heard the Gov too, she claims we have all the gas we norally get ?? Although She was in Indiana at a conference so someone's feeding her a line.

I can't believe that we are out of gas!!!!

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I called a bunch of stations and they are pretty much all dry!!!!!

That's it, we're done! All we need is to lose the power and we are back in the stone ages!

I guess I'll be working from home until they get this "distribution" thing worked out...

How do they get the 3 different grades out of the same pipe? I guess the techroline is added at the pump. :rolleyes:

oops

Angelglo;
'vintage, what lake did you go to? i take my own gas to the lake. i first fill up my two 15 gallon tanks and bring six 5 gallon cans. i have to use 110 ocatane for my motor cuz its at 13.5 -1 ratio. thats the bad part about my motor.'

We were at Donner sking (yep a 50+'er that still ski's :D ) and ran over to Tahoe to play on a new Advantage 25 Citation that a Reno friend just had delivered there! Very fast and comfy boat - it even has a 12v blender option on it!!! graemlins/beers.gif
We fueled his boat at the marina - my $100.oo bill bought 35~36 gals. @ 3.12 per.
You can not take any "oxygenated" (MTBE additive type) Fuels on Tahoe and most lakes / reservoirs (that are used as drinking water supplies) the fine is supposed to be $3,000.oo for first offense. You now have to buy fuels that are 'Marine Approved' (No MTBE or like) for use on Calif. waterways now.
You have to show up with 'empty' tanks or a receipt for fuel from a non-MTBE supplier, such as Union 76 here.
They are not inforcing the law on the Delta, yet - but accourding to the Sheriffs 'they will start to soon'. I think the bill was tied to outlawing Two-stroke outbards (under 9.9HP) on Calif. lakes and waterways that goes into effect this year.
It is up to the local counties division of waterways as to when and how to inforce the law that "protects drinking water".
So I just buy my fuel (48gals of 92oct) at the marinas now - don't want any trouble with the 'water police'.

Lonnie;
Each of the retailers adds their own 'package' to the raw fuel they receive. The pipeline carries only 'raw fuel' and the packages that make up the octanes and other $hit are added later. Octain ratings are controlled by additives not the refining of the fuel.

Originally posted by Vintage 68:

Each of the retailers adds their own 'package' to the raw fuel they receive. The pipeline carries only 'raw fuel' and the packages that make up the octanes and other $hit are added later. Octain ratings are controlled by additives not the refining of the fuel. Very interesting.........I don't trust those idiots with my credit card let alone adding extra octain to there tanks?

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I just had to wait over an hour to fill up my camaro with crappy 87 octane at 1.91!!!! My wifes car and my truck were also empty so I went back and waited another hour plus so I could fill them up!!!!

Man I am so happy to be able to help the oil companies bottom line again this quarter!! :rolleyes:

I have 5 gallons of fresh 91 octane. It's going on ebay, the stuff is probably worth a fortune today. I just got home there are still lines at the gas stations. Looks just like it did in the 73 gas crisis but no 60's musclecars except for one loon in a white 69 camaro ragtop. LOL. Lets petition the government to do the odd/even days again.

LOL Jack!!

I was sweating and cussing and impatiently waiting to pay for overpriced underoctaned fuel!!

I did see a beater 68 mustang waiting in line too! He didn't look as upset as me...although the guy behind him breathing his exhaust fumes didn't look too happy! :D


P.S. Jack, I went to John's house the other day and helped him start tearing down his 69 ralley green ragtop. Yikes!!! It's almost as bad as mine was!!! Lots of metal work there!! I'll help him with a few things, but that car is pretty ugly. Maybe when he gets all of the mud off it will look better!

All I can say is, organized crime is alive and well and living in Washington D.C. The politicians (AKA the new MOB) listen to the corporate lobbyists and ignore their constituents.
In most states they have referendum votes where the the common person can over turn what the elected criminals vote into law. Where is this on the national level. I think that the politicians have too much power, and the people of this country should have more say in what happens. We all know George W. has his roots in the oil industry, so the oil industry benefits. Oh and have they found any WMD in Iraq, No. It's time to end the two party system and look outside the Democrats and the Republicans to find the answers to our problems. This rant is over for now. But, I'll be back.
George

If we had oil in place of the lava the price would still be $2.00. Maybe a refinery is trying to aquire some more stations for it's chain.

The Governor of AZ. got on TV yesterday and said this is NOT a crisis but is a problem,LOL.Does she really believe this or is she in denial.One news reporter said he's really worried that if this escalates more by waiting at the gas pump longer that we might see some gun shooting in the wild wild west!! Believe me,AZ has many many Guns.I'm from NJ and talk to my parents just about every other day and gas prices are and have been cheaper in the Northeast.I originally thought years ago it was cheaper to live in the AZ desert,but find this to be false in many ways,this gas problem being a perfect example!! Why am I typeing this so early in the morning(4:00AM)in Arizona,because I got to find some gas in the AZ. desert and I have a lead on one that opens at 5:00 am that suppose to have some.Hopefully this gas station dosen't have $10.00 limits,like many out here do right know.Oh yeah the guy in the News Copter said that he thought only 35% of the gas stations had gas,yeah no crisis,just a problem.One gas station was price gouging,$3.67 a gallon,nice guy!!

LOL!!

We always seem to get the best and brightest politicians/lawmakers out here in AZ!! They always seem to be right on top of things ready to swoop in to remedy the problem with their great ideas...LOL, LOL :rolleyes:

Man I can't believe how incompetent the AZ government is!! I'm not saying that I could do a better job, but you'd think that there's someone else who could!

I just can't believe the stupid stuff that they foul up and then we suffer because of their bad decisions!

Man you guys are filling up your camaro's. I am going to siphon it out of mine so I can drive across town to work. The news says there is a 10 hr wait for the trucks to get gas. But I hear they flew over in a helecopter and there were no trucks. hummm. wonder if anything on the news is worth anything.

It was supposed to be a hot dry week and guess what...it rained today.

If it all comes down the same pipeline than isn't it safe to say there is no difference between 89 octane and 94 octane or do they have some magic filter that seperates the gas into its perspective holding tanks?

Originally posted by BBC1:
If it all comes down the same pipeline than isn't it safe to say there is no difference between 89 octane and 94 octane or do they have some magic filter that seperates the gas into its perspective holding tanks? A typical station has two different grades of gas in the ground (not including diesel); 87 octane and 91 octane. The mid grade comes from blending the two at the pump.

There is also a difference between one guys 91 octane and anothers. They don't all use the same formula. Research octane plus motor octane divided by two (R+M/2) determines the octane rating. However, some stations run higher research and lower motor octane than others. That's why ARCO (for example) has a 91 octane gas that will ping in all of my cars, even the stock ones, yet I can run 89 or 87 Chevron or Shell in them without any detonation. They may all average 91 octane, but how they get there can be totally different. The motor octane helps against full throttle pinging, and the research is a little better at light throttle detonation. I'd rather have the motor octane.

Jody

The further south we came out of Washington, the more exspensive it got. I blew off Ashland at $2.11 for premium thinking Yreka, just below the border in Cal. would be cheaper. WRONG!! $2.35 there. I got $10 worth to get it home and that's it. I'll wait for it to go down before I top her for winter. graemlins/angry.gif
I didn't keep track of how much the trip cost in fuel. I don't want to know. :rolleyes:

Stevo, lucky you didn't have to buy from this guy:

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0819Gas-Guy-ON.html

Just heard on the News that the Kinder/Morgan gas line from El Paso Tx,failed the test after it was repaired!! There was a line coming in from the West that just had a truck fall on it,Yes,no **** ,but and I say but...the Governor says not to worry that gas line is not 50 years old like the other one and should be up an running in a few.Now didn't they know when your over building the desert in AZ with all these house's that these people need gas to go to work and maybe they should have had 2 lines coming in from El Paso especially if the one is FIFTY YEARS OLD!! DAH.....

Who could have guessed that a 50 year old pipeline would fail a hydrostatic test. The people who live in the brand new homes a few feet from where the pipeline failed should be concerned. Bet they didn't know what was in their yard when they bought the house.

Jody is right on the money. There is a difference in fuels from station to station (brand). Here in California they do not pipe the gas/fuel in, it is delivered by tanker truck (I used to work at a gas station and also used to work on automated fuel systems). Now if in Arizona they just pipe all fuel in (via the same pipeline) I don't know how they would control the different octanes (unless they send one grade flip a switch and send another and route them to the different tanks, not likely but, possible). Either way you cut it it is a rip off. There seems to always be some catostrofic <sp>failure (ie... Refinery fire, failed pipe line, trucker strike, you name it) and the result is always the same OVERPRICED gas. Hey, I am looking at the bright side, at least for once it didn't happen to the Californians this time. With your (Arizona) shortage/failed pipeline you are still paying less for gas (when you can find it) than we are here in California (does that make you feel any better?) I just paid $2.29 last night it has been going up steady in the last few weeks/days. Whoever mentioned the upcoming holiday hit the nail on the head as well. Next we will have some sort of electrical shortage or water shortage to once again rob us of our hard earned money (don't even get me started on all the wasted tax money). Just thank God they can't control the oxygen in the air (they are trying) Could you imagine the fee to breathe. There, I feel better now.

Update, I just saw on the news the gas prices in California are going up as well due to the pipeline break. That makes perfect sense to me, lets see our gas is refined here in California and driven by truck to the stations. Do the trucks drive down that pipeline or am I missing something here? Typical fraud oh well.

That makes no sense ?? There is a California to Phoenix pipeline that is not broken. That one is rumored to supply 70% of the gas used here so the news says. Now the other (broken) pipeline only supplies 30% but 75% of the Phoenix gas stations did not have fuel to sell lately. Hmm the math just does not work.

it makes sense to me. just buy gas stock. one of the gas stations i go to shot up 33 cents in the past couple of weeks. im sure the gas co will see good earnings this quarter.

angel

Anyone remember gas rationing in the late 70's? you could only buy gas every other day based on your plate number (odd - even) and you had to wait in lines for as much as 2 hrs...

I just posted some gas prices by state in this thread about my gas mileage on the seattle trip. Check it out before you guys whine too much about prices. http://www.camaros.net/forum/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=006567

Long lines and being out of high test is indeed worth screaming about!!

My friend went to a gas station/mart, he didn't see the out of service bags over the gas pump handle from the street. He decided to put in his credit card anyway, and guess what? He filled up his tank. Other people saw him doing it and did the same. What's up with that???!!!

Problem seems to be somewhat better. I only waited 5 minutes last night for $1.99 87 octane. The lack of 91 doesn't bother me, cause I never use it.

Just a little update....Detroit area is around $1.80ish for regular...and a tad over $2.00 for premium, Funny how gas price rises just before Labor day weekend! graemlins/angry.gif

My engine seems to run the same with 87 or 91. I haven't ever noticed any pinging. My compression is 10.65:1 though. Lonnie, don't you run like 9.5:1? I suppose you wouldn't have any problem with detonation at that compression?

Although gas prices are considerably lower here than in AZ and CA in the past 8 days prices for regular at the cheapest stations have increased from $1.37 gal. to $1.62 ga.(much higher at Chevron, Texaco, Exxon). Everyone around here was taken by surprise. No warning, No immediate reason given. When a number of groups did inquire the explanation given by the oil industry reportedly was that the increase was, in part, due to the recent power outage in N.E. part of the country. Weak; VERY weak! Can't for the life of me figure the rationale behind that. Those fat cats must think the average American is a complete idiot. I do have a personal theory to explain the situation; IT IS ARMED ROBBERY WITHOUT A GUN!

It seems that only recently that environmental groups and the auto industry were postulating that electricity is the automotive fuel of the future and is vastly better and more earth friendly. He**, how do they expect to accomplish that when they can't even keep a lightbulb burning in NYC!

There is some good news in all of this; our f. gen, Camaros already look like they are going 60 mph when parked and standing still! I'll just drive mine a little less and park it a little more. Just make sure and park it where lots of folks can see it. Ain't they purdy?

The only reason there is a hike in gas is because the oil company's know that on Labor day and Memorial day weekend that there will be a massive gas consumption and the price automaticaly goes up to fill their bank accounts.
If someone had access to some gas price figures you would see an increase every year of the gas prices on these two weekends!
Yet the government and WE THE PEOPLE let it happen every year without ever doing anything about it so the next time you pay 30 cents more per gallon on one of these holliday weekends and you DON'T CALL YOUR STATE REP.
Then don't bother complaining because you brought it on yourself!!!
If people would take the 30 seconds it takes to call there local rep. of the government and complain we could nip it in the bud, but people would rather complain for hours on end than take 30 seconds to solve the problem!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Originally posted by Vintage 68:
Huummm - let's see - Last Holiday for the year coming up - gas always go up for some 'lame a$$' reason a couple weeks before EVERY major holiday in the US and ... well you figure it out.
Take a good look at the charting done by Lundberg (spelling?) AAA or any of the other groups that follow the oil/fuel industry and you will see the same trend for the last couple years.
'Rip Off' - why yes.
Sit tight - it will be back down right after the holidays.You can look through one of the best reporting groups here;
http://www.lundbergsurvey.com/
or do a search on any 'engine' for 'AAA Fuel Price Reports' - there will be a bunch of reports (maybe one for your area) that will come up.

For all of you california residents...do you remember when our state converted over to oxygenated fuel 1995-96 (mtbe,tame,dipe, or ethanol)to meet federal clean air regulations. At first it was just large cities then state wide. Oil companies took this as a chance to raise fule prices. Big hupla in the press...oil company executives in front of congresional hearing swearing that they were not gouging the consumer (yeah right). Well guess what prior to 1995 mtbe was disposed of as a hazardous waste product from the refining of petroleum (at a substantial cost too)...and then all of a sudden they could get rid of it as an additive in gasoline...but yet they rasied the price...Mtbe is poluting our groundwater and is being slowly phased out...prices went up again (re-tooling fee's, so said oil comapny).

California has major refineries in Long Beach and Benicia, so why do we get a 30-cent jump for a pipe break in Arizona??? Greed plain and simple

It jumped up about 25 cents a gallon overnite here last weekend and has trickled up a few penny's since.....

Soooo......what's Everybody going to do about it???? Probably nothing except whine about it while these money grubbing $*&%#@#&'s are raking in billions by the day....once again they are "testing the waters"...

I for one REFUSE to fill up until it comes back down. I am stopping everyday and getting enough to get back and forth to work...does this make sense??? NO, because I am only one Person, but I feel a little better about it and will fill up when it drops down after the Holiday Weekend....now....if Everybody did that or didn't buy gas at all, just for one day, I think the gas prices would drop lower that We've seen in Years......just My PO'd opinion :mad: ....

18436572,
I do the same...I refuse to fill my SUV at 2 bucks a gallon...I put enough to last about 2-3 days.
I also see that Costco, Sams Club warehouses with gas station are about 25 cents cheaper then those Arab oil co.

well,

went up by clill country by woodland and up to davis today. man, gas is the same all the way up to sacramento from san francisco. did you guys see the the stock quotes for teh oil companies? they are making some good money. i do remember when mtbe came into play. they raised the gas to add it. now they are raising it again to get rid of it.

2.10 here in Phoenix for regular unleaded. The EPA granted a temporary waiver for the summer MTBE or whatever fuel but prices are still heading north. They have the broken pipeline running again and gas is available but no price decrease.

It's been a tough couple of years on the oil industry, you know with the war and with the worlds oil supply drying up. It's just getting tougher and tougher for them to make a living. I feel proud that I can pay these inflated prices for no reason other than to make sure that the oil/gas companies can continue to make money and pay their executives huge bonuses for sticking it to the little guy! :rolleyes:

I don't understand how only buying a little gas at a time saves you anything or punishes the oil companies at all. You will still burn the same amount of fuel and buy the same amount (over time). The only way to hit them in the pocket book is not to buy gas at all (not likely). If everyone refused to buy gas for two days (the same two days) it might effect them but, people here in America are far to use to driving. A car is not a luxury anymore it is a necessity (and the oil companies know that). People live farther and farther away from where they work so you have to buy gas to keep a roof over your head. I only see two real solutions to stop the thieves. 1). Some sort of law limiting the price of fuel and a REAL commitee to watch over them (not very likely since the oil companies are so rich they just pay off everyone and get what they want). 2) They need competition, as in another type of fuel (corn based is a great option), the problem is again, the oil companies will/have squash/ed (buy out) the competition. The cost for someone else would be huge to actually refine, market and sell an alternative fuel. Face it, none of the big oil companies would ever allow an alternative fuel from a competitor to be sold at their stations. So you would have to open stations all accross the country. I think this is the only reason it hasn't already happened, corn oil based fuel has been around for a while and is supposed to burn very clean and the resource is endless and replenishable. Just my take on things. They have a golden goose and they know it. The prices will come down as always just not quite back to where they were (as usual) they shock us with outrageous prices (up $.30-40) and then drop the price back down ($.25-28) and we feel like we are getting a deal again.

Jack the price of regular unleaded is already over $2.00 here in California and has been for a while. If you actually even believe the pipe line was broken in the first place, you would think once it was fixed the prices would come back down immedietly.

It is a trend that has been happening for years, next we will have a big refinery fire or a strike and they will be the reason the prices will "have to" go back up. In any other business you couldn't get away with it.

You have two choices either drive or don't. Calling your congressman or rep. isn't going to do anything (IMO) but, if that makes you feel better go for it. I don't like it any more than anyone else there just really isn't much the average Joe can do.

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hey 7d,

calling your congressman is just like calling the oil companies. the congressman are employees of the oil companies.

LOL, angelglo

That's my point, I agree.

Royce

Check out this article I just read (sounds pretty much like the way I thought it was). If you look at the big picture I think they (the oil companies) are twisting arms.

Americans See Record Gasoline Prices
By Richard Valdmanis

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Americans hitting the road for the Labor Day holiday will pay the highest U.S. gasoline prices ever because of a nationwide supply squeeze that has consumer advocates and trade groups wrangling over whom to blame.

Retail gasoline prices soared to a record $1.75 a gallon on average this week as inventories fell to their lowest levels in three years just ahead of the long Labor Day holiday, according to the U.S. Department of Energy.

More than 28 million travelers are expected to drive 50 miles or more for Labor Day vacations, up 2.2 percent from last year to an eight-year high, according to the American Automobile Association.

"This is bad timing for drivers," said Justin McNaull, a spokesman for the motorists' group.

The tight gasoline landscape is partly due to high crude oil costs, refinery outages after the colossal power blackout that cascaded through eight states in the Midwest and Northeast and a pipeline shutdown that caused shortages in Arizona.

But supply kinks are not the only reason for pumped up prices, industry experts said. Consumer advocates blame Big Oil, and the oil industry blames U.S. energy policy.

"Every three months or so the oil industry comes up with another excuse to raise the price of gasoline, and policy makers do nothing about it," said Mark Cooper, director of research for the Consumer Federation of America.

"The real reason for this is the oil industry keeps too little on hand in terms of supply, which means prices will surge ahead of high demand periods," he said. "This wouldn't be possible if the industry was truly competitive."

Cooper noted that some European legislation requires minimum petroleum inventory levels to reduce price swings.

The American Petroleum Institute (API), which represents U.S. oil companies, says its members maintain supplies that are sufficient to meet demand, and adds that years of mega-mergers have not reduced competition in the industry.

"We've been at a record pace in terms of producing and importing gasoline," said John Felmy, director of policy for API. "The problem is that you can't move the gasoline around because of the many different environmental specifications from state to state."

"There's also a problem of capacity everywhere in the petroleum industry," Felmy said. "Its impossible to site a new refinery, and profitability is terrible due to environmental investments and changes to fuel regulations."

"A new refinery or pipeline would get fought every step of the way," said Felmy.

The White House has worked to overhaul energy policy to increase domestic energy production, offer greater incentives for renewable energy, and promote nuclear energy.

The Senate passed an energy bill in July, but it still has to be reconciled with energy legislation passed in April by the House, before getting signed into law.

The U.S. Department of Energy is optimistic that gasoline prices will ease in September after peak summer demand.

"It is likely that prices should fall substantially beginning sometime in September," the Energy Information Administration, the DOE's statistical wing, said on Wednesday in its weekly review of the oil market.

"But for consumers, there is some comfort knowing that at some point in the coming weeks, retail gasoline prices should begin to drop again," the agency said.

Originally posted by camaroman7d:
I don't understand how only buying a little gas at a time saves you anything or punishes the oil companies at all. You will still burn the same amount of fuel and buy the same amount (over time). The only way to hit them in the pocket book is not to buy gas at all (not likely). If everyone refused to buy gas for two days (the same two days) it might effect them but, people here in America are far to use to driving. A car is not a luxury anymore it is a necessity (and the oil companies know that). People live farther and farther away from where they work so you have to buy gas to keep a roof over your head.One idea I'd read about seems like it would work. You're right, we need to buy gas to get around and buying a little a day or filling up for a few days really doesn't matter as you're still using the same amount. The idea I'd heard of was to pick a particular oil company, say Chevron for example, and get the nation to stop buying from them. You can still get gas, just not from that company. That should be an immediate jolt to them and force them to lower pricing. This lowered pricing requires the others to drop to stay competitive, or they can be the new "black-balled" company. I'd love to try it, but to work it would require a lot of participation.

Jody

Camaroman, I never expected any price decrease. I see the prices of fuel in California and figured it was just a matter of time for Arizona prices to match. I never could understand that the refinery is in El Segundo, Ca but the fuel is 50 cents cheaper in Az ?

anyway, once winter hits, the price should come down a little right? probably. but get ready for winter. heating oil is in short supply also. i believe about 20%. it never ends.

I'm still amazed that it's 2003 and we still have no real alterative fueled vehicles.

30 years ago, they thought we were going to have flying vehicles or something. Hell, not much has change! Trucks, SUV's, big cars, etc. still get crappy gas milage. My dad has an '03 GMC truck with the 6.0, I bet that thing barely gets much better milage then a Suburban he had 25 years ago! And it was carburated with a non overdrive tranny.

Something is seriously wrong here! And NOTHING is being done about it. And we're the ones getting hit in the wallet. I drive close to 100 miles a day, and these prices suck.

But Mark, that is the american way! Buy the biggest, most overkill vehicle you can, but don't worry about fuel economy or gas prices until after you buy it, then complain :rolleyes: I see your from Missouri, and just like here everybody thinks they have to have a great big, 6,000+ pound, 4 wheel drive, V-8 (or bigger), SUV/double cab truck. I see more excursions, suburbans, escalades, mountainers, etc, parked in peoples driveways that don't need to tow anything bigger than a few sacks of groceries. How many 4 wheel drive full size SUV's/trucks ever get farther off road than maybe a gravel driveway somewhere? Is it really necessary to drive one of these monster 4x4 extended cab V-10 monsters back and forth to work everyday? I have no problem with people owning what they want to own, but I do have a problem with people buying a $40K suv just to drive back and forth to work every day and then bitch about gas prices. I guess I am just a cheapskate. I'd rather save the money on the daily driver just to have more to spend on the toys.

I agree with that. My POS daily driver is a '92 Cavalier. I bought it with 30k miles on it, I just hoped it get me through college. Two years after college, I'm still driving the thing. 165k miles. I can't sell it, it's not worth anything, so I might as well drive it until it blows up. It get pretty good gas milage, and has given be pretty much not trouble, so we've bonded over the years, smile.gif . I bought a new truck, but I never drive it, so now I'm going to sell it. Not sure if I'll buy a new vehicle again. With depreciation, and all that sales tax, I might was well open the window and throw my money out, LOL.

Originally posted by camaroman7d:
I don't understand how only buying a little gas at a time saves you anything or punishes the oil companies at all. You will still burn the same amount of fuel and buy the same amount (over time). Yeah I know...like I said, it just makes Me feel a little better. probably because I am in denial graemlins/clonk.gif and am thinking that the prices may drop 25 cents overnite the way they increased :rolleyes: ....even a penny decrease and I would be happy...

I can say that I havn't driven anywhere this week except back and forth to work which is about 60 miles a day...

I guess it wouldn't be as bad if the prices slowly went up instead of the overnite jump it took...

And to blame the pipeline, blackout, the lack of reserve, etc is just ludicrous . I think it's more like convnience...

Oh yeah....I'm out of lawn mower gas too...it's only gonna cost Me about 7 bux to cut the grass this weekend :rolleyes: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Just bought 22 gallon of aviation gas for $2.25 a gallon. Same price I paid 4 years ago. Kind of funny that the price of avi gas is so stable. Or could it be that there is not enough market for it, for the oil companies and politicians to gouge the price. Everyone may as well face it, were getting gouged. All these excuses, pipeline break, blackout, and other nonsense is just telling us to bend over and take it.
Now pay attention, after a few weeks the price will drop and everyone will be happy, but the price will still be 10-15 cents more than what it was before it happened. This is what the companies and the politicans do all the time. Taxes go up, people bitch, taxes go down, but not as far as they were before. Same with natural gas and propane. I dread this winter coming with all of this going on right now. I guarantee my heating costs are going to double. Nothing I can do but sit here and take it.
If you want to stop it just call off work until the price drops to $1 a gallon. Get your whole department at work to do this. Get all the teachers at school to do this. Get all the public transportation drivers to do this. Get all the garbage truck drivers to do this. Get all the truckers to do this and you will see politicans and company executives dance.
Don't worry though it will never happen. Why? Just look around, look at the guy next to you at work, look at the guy at the store, look at the girl working at walmart. They are too spineless to do it. Yes 99% of us are too scared. Man if I miss a day of work I wont be able to make my boat payment, my bike payment, maybe even my house payment. Well welcome to our materialistic country. These problems will never ease without some sacrifice on each and every one of us. So when I leave for work tommorow I'll pull into the gas station, put the nozzle in the tank, keep it squeezed until it shuts off, pay my $35, and never think twice.
And if the guys at work want to call off monday morning, I'll be the first one to the phone. But I'll bet my paycheck that its not going to happen.
Crazy you say?
A radical?
Maybe so. But I'm right!

Sorry for being so long but I just had to vent.

For what it is worth, here is a news clip I just ran across on the internet news concerning the high gas prices.

Energy Dept Asked to Probe Gasoline Price Rise
By Tom Doggett

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic Rep. Edward Markey wants the Bush administration to investigate rising gasoline prices, which this week hit a record high.

The Massachusetts congressman said he asked the Energy Department Friday "for an immediate investigation into the incredibly steep increase" in pump prices that occurred before the Labor Day weekend.

Markey, who is a senior member of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, sent a formal letter on Friday to U.S. Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham requesting the investigation.

The national retail average price for gasoline increased 12 cents over the last week to hit a record high of $1.75 a gallon on Monday, according to the Energy Information Administration.

Many parts of the country are paying over $2 a gallon for gasoline.

In addition to reaching a record pump price, it was also the largest weekly increase ever in terms of both the absolute amount, 12 cents, and the percentage increase, 7.4 percent, in gasoline costs, the Energy Department's analytical arm said.

Oil companies blame the price jump, in part, on the disruption in fuel supplies after several oil refineries shut down from the recent power blackout in the Northeast.

Gasoline supplies are at their lowest level since Nov. 2000.

EIA said high motor fuel costs are also due to strong gasoline demand, which has averaged a record 9.4 million barrels a day over the last four-week period.

The American Automobile Association expects 28.2 million people to drive 50 miles or more this Labor Day weekend, up 2.2 percent from last year and the most since 1995.

High pump prices aren't expected to last much longer, and should begin dropping in the next few weeks, according to EIA.

"With gasoline demand typically falling substantially after Labor Day, and with resolutions to some of the supply problems already underway, it is likely that prices should fall substantially beginning sometime in September," the agency said.


The Trickster!!!!!!!!!!!!!