Probably not the right spot to post this but....

I know '67's did not come from the factory with a rear spoiler but weren't they a dealer installed option?

Don't think so...., not until '68.

That's what I thought but the book by Jason Scott titled "Original Camaro 1967-1969" states:

"Contrary to popular befief, a deck lid spoiler was not offered from the factory on 1967 Camaros. Spoilers were, however, available for dealer installation and were fairly popular"

He goes on to talk about the spoilers on RPO Z28 being applied over the deck lid stripes in early producation and later factory installed spoilers were installed prior to the application of the stripes so the area beneath the spoiler on the deck lid did not have striping paint.

I think Bob is correct. Dealers started installing them retroactively on the 67s at the used lots, but a new one was never sold with a spoiler, from the factory or from a dealer.

I know some 67 Trunk lids did not have the holes for a spoiler. You can see in the picture of mine they are not there. I hear some 68's are the same as the one pictured. So maybe some 68's did not have spoilers for this reason. I think it's safe to say that no 67's had Factory installed spoilers.

I don't think they were an option until a little later in early 68 production?? Don't know for sure. I could see them being installed by dealers on used lots or unsold new cars though.

BTW: This one is for sale PM me if intrested

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y168/cruiser_ss350/67%20Trunk%20lid%20pictures/Picture012.jpg

I think he's talking about 68s. I don't think the spoilers were available at the beginning of the model year. I know the info is over on the CRG web site but I'm being too lazy tonight to go look it up.

Joe,

My April built '67 has the holes in the trunk lid for a spoiler.

The text quoted in his book leads one to believe the spoiler was a dealer installed option for '67 and that some of the Z28's for '67 had them installed from the factory. Given that information, it contradicts what I have been told my whole life regarding the '67 Camaro and deck lid spoilers.

Christopher,

Here is what I found at CRG, you lazy bum. :)

http://www.camaros.org/exterior.shtml#Z28Stripes

Would the dealers install a spoiler on a deck lid like mine? I don't know just asking. I think for the money it would not have been a problem.

I know some sheet metal has what apears to be date coding, can the sheet metal on Camaros (deck lids in this case) be dated to the build date of the car? I hear what your saying Chris, I have been "told" No 67 had spoilers and "all" 67 deck lids are non spoiler, I have also heard what your saying and that they do exist with spoiler deck lids. It almost seems GM was putting the horse before the apple cart. I am by no means an expert on this subject so I am sorry if I have confused anyone. I am just going by what I have owned, read and seen............which has confused me anyway!!

Joe

Joe, check your PMs.

Well, as sure as I am because that's what I've always been told, I'd sure like for the Daniel or Kurt to pipe in with a more definative answer to some of the questions.

Thanks for the link btw Funk :)

Have a hard time believing no 67's got spoilers from the dealer considering the most published 67 Z/28 had a spoiler when all the magazines had it, and it hadn't even made it to a dealer yet. It was the car that GM loaned out to several magazines for road test articles. I am sure someone has one of the magazine articles from spring 67 with pictures of that car.

Lynn

I have a 67 trunk lid with no spoiler that I want to add a spoiler to. Like the red one pictured above, it does not have the large access holes on the underneath side like a 68/69 lid does. Can a spoiler still be mounted? If holes are drilled through the top of the trunk lid for the studs, there will not be a way to put a nut on the studs without the access holes. Do I have to use some kind of 3/4 inch (or whtever size) hole saw or something to make access holes?

The rear spoiler was developed for the Z28's for racing. Chevy does not show that any were sold as RPO D80 in 67. Could the dealer have installed them? Sure. But I doubt vary many even knew about them. With only 602 Z's made in 67, most dealers did not even know about the Z. I would bet most Z's did not have the spoiler (except for the ones raced). Yes, the 67 Z28 that was tested in the mags had a spoiler, but the same cars was used for most of the articles. Anyway the spoiler was only an over the counter item, and with no numbers on how many were sold it is anyones guess.
As a side note, a lot of 67's have spoilers now, but then a lot have cowl hoods also and they were not even available until 69!

Can one be mounted to a deck lid that has no access for one? Yes, but access holes need to be drilled on the under side to be able to bolt it on.

One of the 67 Z guys could answer better (and it's been discussed in the past), but I don't think the spoilers were available until very late in the year. Making them unlikely as a dealer add.

Larry,
Original uncut decklids pull a premium. I'd find a 68-9 (or a new repro) and add spoilers to it.

Larry,
Original uncut decklids pull a premium. I'd find a 68-9 (or a new repro) and add spoilers to it.

I agree with that. I've been trying to find a good original trunk lid without holes for mine for about 4 months. I have 2 good lids with holes but I really don't want a spoiler.

Kurt, do you have references and/or pics for the differences between the 67-69 lids?

I have all original metal on my 67 z/28, so when I get home, I'll take a picture of the underside of the trunk lid. My car doesnt have a spoiler on it, never has. It has been sitting since the mid 70's and has 19,000 miles on it. I'll post here later. Its a May 1967 car.

I believe I've read that there were even changes in the deck lids during each model year as well. Someone around here should know all the differences. Thanks Jonesy.

While I don't need mine to be technically correct, because it's not an all original car, I'd like it to be close for my own self-comfort.

Okay my car is an 05D car. The factory stamping on my trunk is T18 so it was made in week 18 or the 1st week of May 1967. It has the holes there for the spoiler and differs slight from my 69 trunk lid. The 69 trunk lid has slotted holes to move the Camaro emblem up above the spoiler, my 67 doesnt have these holes.

http://www.camaros.net/showroom/data/2/DSC00081.JPG

http://www.camaros.net/showroom/data/2/DSC00083.JPG

I agree with that. I've been trying to find a good original trunk lid without holes for mine for about 4 months. I have 2 good lids with holes but I really don't want a spoiler.

Kurt, do you have references and/or pics for the differences between the 67-69 lids?

Christopher, I'll trade my uncut trunk lid for one of your's with holes? I do want a spoiler. Here's a pic. Now I haven't actually looked at the underneath side yet to see if it has access holes but I'm guessing it doesn't. It MIGHT be off of a Firebird too. Are they the same? It is with my car at my friends body shop 100 miles from me so I can't check it out until next time I get over there. I only glanced at the lid so not sure how good it is.

Here's a pic.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/lgwright/1967SS_9.jpg

Jonesy and Larry, I'll get pics of the 2 lids I have this coming weekend. Larry, let me know when you get a chance to get out there where the lid is and can get a good pic of the underside and we can talk about it.

I have been doing alot of research on these lids with one of the guys at CRG (Kevin I think). I have several lids without holes and one with from the 67 era. I will have to get out to the shed to get the date codes off of them and post so everyone can see differences. 1967 actually had 3 different lids from what I have gathered. In late 67 the lid underside changed around the right near the emblem location. Also added were spoiler holes later in the model year (I assume to prepare for the 68 model year). The very early 67 cars had no holes on the underside with an oval cutout in the very center of the understructure. I will get the pics and post them tomorrow so everyone can see. If you do have a spoiler without the holes on the underside I would like to get the stamping date for my research along with a picture. I am trying to pin down when the lids actually changed. Right now all I have is an estimate of when the lids understructure changed.

That would be great Scot. I'll get pics and date stamps off mine when I can, but I think the earliest it will be is Sunday.

Jonesy and Larry, I'll get pics of the 2 lids I have this coming weekend. Larry, let me know when you get a chance to get out there where the lid is and can get a good pic of the underside and we can talk about it.

Will do. Could be a month or more. I'll see if my friend can take some pics and email to me.

I have been reading this post with great interest.Tonight when I came in from wiring on my hardtop I was looking through my assembly manual for some routing info and on the final page #438(paint stripe for 302 ci. edition) they are showing a rear spoiler in the drawing! Now I am real curious about when they added the spoiler since the drawing viewC says it was added on 12-5-66.If I remember right my convertible was built in Sept.66 so I will have to check the deck lid on it tomorrow night for holes.

I think there are 6 different iterations of decklids during 67-9. Access holes were added & moved, understructure changes, etc.

You wouldn't happen to have pictures of each of those would you Kurt?

No.
It's actually a research topic that some people in the group were working on. I'll find out what the status is.

Thanks Kurt!! You guys are the best. Wish there was some way to help out on these research topics and such. If you can think of any way for me to help out let me know. I have tons of free time at work :D

I have a Nov 66 car that has the same holes as Jonesy. I believe it to be original however dont know where the date code is to confirm that

Here's an interesting obdervation for you.The firebird has slightly different holes in the underside due to the unique emblems the Firebird uses. The Firebird was never offered with a spoiler (except the 69 Trans Am), but my May 67 Firebird trunk lid has the holes for the spoiler as well. Makes me wonder a little.

Hey Kurt,, Got a question,, I have a 69 firebird vert that I am cloning into a 69 Trans Am.. I just realized the other day that the undrilled for a spoiler trunk lid I bought over ten years ago, that is "suppose" to be original GM, has the holes drilled for the Camero emblem in the lower right corner,, I have been wondering what to do about those holes, because the firebirds did not have those same holes drilled in the same place.. now I just read here that if I have an original GM Camero trunk lid undrilled, it might be a piece that I should'nt or would'nt want to be drilling new holes in it for the Trans Am spoiler,????... Can you tell me what numbers to look for and where,???.. I did notice numbers stamped on the underside toward the front of the lid in the middle.. I am assuming a repro, would'nt have any serial numbers,???... Can ya help,???? :confused:

Wacky, those numbers you found are the combination letters number we are looking for. Do you have a picture of the underside and the stamping? If you would be so kind to email them to me I would appreciate the info for my research. Thanks.

I have a Nov 66 car that has the same holes as Jonesy. I believe it to be original however dont know where the date code is to confirm that
Date code location (format: Letter followed by 2 numbers):

http://www.67z28.com/images/decklid.jpg

http://www.67z28.com/images/TrunkLid.jpg

Thats the spot, Thats where I seen the numbers,, I'll go out to the garage and check it out, and see if I can read them.. BRB... :)

It's hard to read the code but it looks like it starts with the letter "T" does that mean anything,, that letter is beyond the 12 letters of the alphabet for 12 months... It might be something else it's hard to read.. :confused:

It looks like T15 or T13, its hard to make out the last number... is there anyway I can tell what year it is.,????????...

Ok guys, here is what I have. The first three are all T38's. If you look at the those 3, there is an oval hole in the underside center near the front. If you look really close, there is a raised dimple on the underside near the left side oval cutout. The raised dimple is on all 3 early lids. I have 2 other lids without that center oval cutout, but the other parts of the underside are all the same except for the raised dimple. The dates on those other 2 I have are T50. I think the letter is the plant and the numbers are the week. JohnZ made a post a while back about those stampings around the body. From what I have found, around late Jan or early Feb the holes for the spoiler were added and the area to the rear right was recessed for some reason. Possibly to make room for the emblem location since after a spoiler was added the emblem was moved forward to the new location ahead of the spoiler.

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http://webpages.charter.net/k30ssrs/Assist%20pics/Picture%20004.jpg

Rear spoilers were available on 1967 cars as dealer installed options. My car was a california survivor, had a rear deck spoiler that was not factory installed, but the original owner stated that it had been on there as long as she could remember. 1968 I think could have come from factory or dealer, but in 1967 they were scarcely available from the dealer.