I contacted eBay and asked for clarification whether YES or NO can trim tags be sold there. Its definately NO! This is the reply word for word....

Thank you for writing eBay. I understand that you are coming across TRIM tag listings, and would like to notify the seller that the item is illegal.

Unfortunately, in eBays policy that is online does not have this information just yet. Edits to the policy are being made at this time.
For now, you may report the item numbers to eBay's customer support team and we will take the correct actions.

We thank you in advance for your cooperation, and wish you luck with your future eBay transactions.

Regards,

Tatum
Community Watch Team
eBay Trust & Safety

please explain something to me fella's ???

exactly why is it illeagal to sell a trim tag ???
exactly why would anyone care ?? the muscle car market is already ruined as far as number's are concerned , most of the car's for sale today are clone's it's just that some are harder to tell than other's , I mean really a trim tag is not registered as the vin tag is ?? it's not illeagal to have a car without a trim tag , for many year's now I have sat back and laughed at the cloned car's my favorite is the 69 Z/28 , you can't stop these guy's from doing this and beside's the damage has already been done , and then you have companie's that sell new trim tag's so it's really like this if you are gonna pay money for a car then go on the codition of the car not what the trim tag say's ,
I think this will play out soon to where camaro's will be like corvette's and the value will be from the year of the car and not the number's ,
I just thunk you we everybody is beating a dead horse (FIGHTING A BATTLE THAT CAN'T BE WON)
I just sit back and laugh and take it all in ,

all original sheetmetal ! never been rusted (YEP)
all number's match !!! (YEA RIGHT)
original Z/28 but the 302 was stolen and the muncie broke and the 12 bolt was changed out to a ten bolt ,, watching ebay and other car site's is good for you heart give's you a good daily chuckle I love it .

My take on this is... if we can stop one person from cloning and profiting by lying about the trim tag, then thats one friend we made. I see it as pretty simple. Trim tags can and do represent some pretty HOT camaros. If those tags are use to fraud someone, its wrong, plain and simple. If eBay cuts down on the tag fraud, we all gain a little against the bad guys.
Let them sell at swap meets or in the garage with a buddy that collects them, but the internet has made things to easy for the 'bad guys' to profit from this. Why encourage it?
Just my 2cents.

I wish we could stop it , I hate it heck I wish it had never even got started but I'm affraid it's going to be very difficult if not impossible to stop and the price of the car's is not helping ,

I wish we could catch them all and post then somewhere for the future. (I think thats being done at CRG for the real ones).

Let E-bay sell them, easier to find.

Why is against the law to run people over for fun? It's just not a very nice thing to do! I don't really care anymore. I have what I have and know what I have. The problem these days, the cars are so popular. The guy who knows and asks a bunch of questions gets blown off for the guy that does not know. Someone will buy it! EBay can't stop it, they could spend one day to search for trim tags. I bet there are hundreds or thousands on EBay right now including VIN #s. Buyers beware, it sucks. Not much we can do other than try to slow it down!

please explain something to me fella's ???

exactly why is it illeagal to sell a trim tag ???
exactly why would anyone care ??

My 0.02:

Allowing the sale of trim tags is fostering fraud.

Imagine if you shelled out the money for an original Picasso and it ended up just being a good print. Sure, it looks the same, and functions the same, but the actual value isn't there. Most people who know art would be able to spot it a mile away, therefore you can't sell it to get your money back.

The same goes for Camaros- If you drop $50,000 on one only to find out it's a clone worth $25,000, someone just stole $25,000 from you. For some people this is not that big a deal, for others that have scrimped and saved to be able to afford their dream car, this is something really painful.

My 0.02:

Allowing the sale of trim tags is fostering fraud.

Imagine if you shelled out the money for an original Picasso and it ended up just being a good print. Sure, it looks the same, and functions the same, but the actual value isn't there. Most people who know art would be able to spot it a mile away, therefore you can't sell it to get your money back.

The same goes for Camaros- If you drop $50,000 on one only to find out it's a clone worth $25,000, someone just stole $25,000 from you. For some people this is not that big a deal, for others that have scrimped and saved to be able to afford their dream car, this is something really painful.

EXACTLY !
this is why I say the market has to change , the value of a camaro will come from two thing's
#1 the year model
#2 the condition
nicely put there wildbilly

EXACTLY !
this is why I say the market has to change , the value of a camaro will come from two thing's
#1 the year model
#2 the condition
nicely put there wildbilly
Never going to happen.
A 1969 Yenko worth the same as a 1969 307, because of condition?

My 0.02:

Allowing the sale of trim tags is fostering fraud.

Imagine if you shelled out the money for an original Picasso and it ended up just being a good print. Sure, it looks the same, and functions the same, but the actual value isn't there. Most people who know art would be able to spot it a mile away, therefore you can't sell it to get your money back.

The same goes for Camaros- If you drop $50,000 on one only to find out it's a clone worth $25,000, someone just stole $25,000 from you. For some people this is not that big a deal, for others that have scrimped and saved to be able to afford their dream car, this is something really painful.

AMEN!! I applaud Ebay for thier stand on this issue. Why provide an outlet that encourages fraud? These cars are becoming valuable and the lure of making a "quick buck" off the unsuspecting car buyer brings out scam artists like flies at a picnic... OK, that's my .02

That's a wild catch 22 isn't it? It's not illegal to sell, buy, or change trim tags (just VIN's), but seling a vehicle with an altered trim tag and profiting from the higher cost because of the numbers on such tag is illegal? Poses quite a question. What to do? I also applaud Ebay for trying to ban the sale of tags to help protect their customers, but they're also doing this to protect themselves from claims. If there was no recourse on them, they would allow the tags to be sold, so I don't think it has much to do with protecting the customers as covering their own butts.

Don't mean to sound harsh here but as ive stated on here before im sure glad my camaros/trimtags are real and im sure i speak for everyone else that has a real camaro/trimtag. IMO it sux to be you if you have a fake cowltag or no cowltag at all.

69 droptop... I have a friend whos car doesnt have the tag and i can say it doesnt suck to be him. He is in it more for the joy of owning the car, cant afford alot and just enjoys the experience. Having a cowl tag on your car does nothing for the enjoyment of owning and driving...His car runs and looks beautiful without it...

You won't stop the spread of the fake cars but if people know that trim tags can be faked, doesn't that knowledge benefit everyone? I still remember the day I came across the guy who reproduces these and the let down following this discovery, but it made me much more aware of the situation, and I discuss it freely with anyone that will listen. The more people know this situation exists, the fewer will get ripped.

E Bay must have forgot about their new Trim Tag Policy. How many do ya'll need.

http://search.ebay.com/trim-tag_eBay-Motors_W0QQcatrefZC12QQcoactionZcompareQQcoentrypa geZsearchQQcopagenumZ1QQfmcZ1QQfromZR10QQfsooZ2QQf sopZ2QQfstypeZ1QQftrtZ1QQftrvZ1QQmppfqyZcamaroQ20h eadQ20restQQsacatZ6000QQsaprchiZQQsaprcloZ

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1974-corvette-cowl-body-with-tag_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ42611QQitemZ4604973 559QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

And VIN #s also.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/56-buick-convertible-ID-door-tag-and-cowl-tag_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ80736QQitemZ4605445 960QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

Looks like the seller stopped this one. Must have got a great offer to stop the auction. Hide your 64 Vette Roadster someone is looking for one.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1964-Corvette-Convertible-Project-Car-with-VIN-Trim-Tag_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ39405QQitemZ4604507 780QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

You won't stop the spread of the fake cars but if people know that trim tags can be faked, doesn't that knowledge benefit everyone? I still remember the day I came across the guy who reproduces these and the let down following this discovery, but it made me much more aware of the situation, and I discuss it freely with anyone that will listen. The more people know this situation exists, the fewer will get ripped.


True, Ebay's new trim tag policy won't stop the spread of fake cars. But maybe it will slow it down. At least Ebay won't be contributing to the problem.

Hopefully this new policy will slow down the number of people who come to this website after buying a first gen. car only to discover they have been scammed. :sad:

I wish we could catch them all and post then somewhere for the future. (I think thats being done at CRG for the real ones).

Let E-bay sell them, easier to find.

I am pretty sure Mark C keeps track of them all. Without ebay very very very few tags will sell. There really is no other place to get the amount of exposure. What will the sellers do? Advertise in Hemmings. The tag sellers will only have the restoration shops to sell to then.