Okay, lets start a list. We all know they'll read this, so be honest and constructive, PLEASE.

Like: LS2, Tremec 6 sp, Profile/roof quarterpanel lines, rear panel, 69 influenced interior.

Dislike: Front Grill and "slot above it", Wide wheel well lip (the 1.5" arc above the opening) angular "caddy" styling, oversized "dubs".

JD

Dislike: WHEELS, WHEELS, WHEELS, WHEELS, entire nose and grill, quarterpanel lines, basically the entire car. They should have taken a hint from the Ford Co. with the Mustang. As a first generation owner I was very interested in seeing how Chevy would measure up to Fords standards. Huge disappointment.
Like: The fact that Chevy is considering bringing back the Camaro.

Here's what I like about it:

Nice stance, 69 style gills, very similar to the Pro-touring logo.

Dislike:

The big plastic grill


It's a sharp car and we should be thankful that GM is even gonna bring it back. So many of us were cursing GM for pulling the Camaro to begin with, and now many of the same people are critical of its return.

Dislike: WHEELS, WHEELS, WHEELS, WHEELS, entire nose and grill, quarterpanel lines, basically the entire car. They should have taken a hint from the Ford Co. with the Mustang. As a first generation owner I was very interested in seeing how Chevy would measure up to Fords standards. Huge disappointment.
Like: The fact that Chevy is considering bringing back the Camaro.
Pretty much sums it up for me!

Like:
Dislike: everything

I'm sorry guys but I have read on here that alot of you like this thing. I think the GM guys just missed it. They should hire the people who designed the new Mustang or the Challenger to design the Camaro. Even the first showing of the car was wrong. The car should have been orange instead of the dull silver.

I would have liked a reproduction of a 69 but to be realistic I understand they have to make it appeal to a wide range of people with room to update it in furture years. While I don't think the grille and rear look bad this is supposed to be a CAMARO. The grille is to short, They need to make the grille look like a 69 RS with hidaway doors. The rear of the car looks like a vette, maybe some other tail lites to make it more Reto. I would have liked to see the wheel openings longer like a 69 and maybe the 69 bodyline to the middle of the door. The reto thing may not last but it is now. Also I feel the styling of the 69 RS is timeless. What other car in history has been so popular that the aftermarket is reproducing the car!!! The A/C Cobra is the only one I can think of. The production car needs to be MORE retro at first the current ideas could always be added to freshen up future years. Also I love the T/A picture it looks Great,

swing and a miss!!!! the dodge looks good, chevy's gotta get it together im not a dodge fan but there styling is great, why cant chevy take a 69 camaro and just round it up a bit and give it a little styling and call it good?

swing and a miss!!!! the dodge looks good, chevy's gotta get it together im not a dodge fan but there styling is great, why cant chevy take a 69 camaro and just round it up a bit and give it a little styling and call it good?

That's exactly what the stang and challenger are! No new lines, no new ideas. Most of us younger guys want something new and exciting, not something that's a new, "old" car. Yeah, the concept has horrible wheels, (as all concepts do), grill needs touch up, but I really like it. Flame away.
here's a few photoshops I did...
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a334/master__olly/silverstripesonorangeblackdam.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a334/master__olly/NewcamaroRS.jpg

and one somebody else did.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a334/master__olly/newmaro4.jpg

olly

Red ones cool looking!!

Love the fact I have a chance to talk about a 5th generation Camaro. Love the quarter window sail panel area, very 69esque. Love the low roof line and stance of the car. Love the cowl hood. Love the interior. Like the roof panel break up, and the front upper cowl vent, I think they break up the monotony a little bit. I can live with the grill. Out of everything the rear end gives me the most problems. It seems like a very chiseled car until you get to the back . It seems a little to high, and roundish imo.

I'm impressed with the fact that it's a v-8 rwd, sleek looking 69ish influenced Ford crusher! I have to agree with the front end/grille areas needing a little work... Maybe flatten it out and sink it back a bit? Everything else works for me! Do NOT wait until the end of '08 to produce it, and make the pricing structure close to the Rustang and we'll have a winner!

DanB:waving:

Like: Stance. It has a shape that I would consider to be recognizable as a Camaro. The overall look is forward looking and not so much retro. The outside mirrors are cool. The fat tires at all 4 corners. The RWD power train (probably an insurance nightmare ;)). The red on the L.A. car.

Dislikes/needs improvement: The grille area needs some work, an RS style setup would be cool (preferably electric). Tires IMO should be same size at all 4 corners to aid in tire life via rotations, possibly in a more economical size (17s?). The groove in the roof: rather have it smooth and have a moon-roof. Make under the hood components that wear ACCESSIBLE. :) The wheels need to be shiny(Chrome, Polished etc)
Lastly the most major dislike: folks that don't understand constructive criticism :D

LIKE: The overall shape of the body, the window openings, and the fact that it is easily recognized as a Camaro.

LIKE: The idea that the Camaro is coming back.

LIKE: That GM will hear our thoughts on the design (if they listen or not) THANKS TEAM CAMARO.

DISLIKE: The front could be a little more nostalgic, and the rear tailights dont work for me at all....I think the tail lights should be a modern rendition of the 1969 year models. Right now they look like a take off from some vette.

Lets hope they offer a ls7 option 505 hp vette engine! rs package looks good on the car.

Olly, Nice rework by you! Who did the red one, that looks good too.

John

I dislike the fact that GM has NOT comitted to building a new Camaro.

Hey guys, I had a few ideals on the camaro but the longer I look at this new car the more I like it with the exception of the grill and tail lights. With just a little work on making it a RS grill and a little different something in the rear taillight panel this would be a very nice car, as it already looks better than the mustang. I,ve been and still am a hardcore GM person and dont see anything changing anytime soon but I did say I might would look at the challenger if I was buying a new car but I also ask forgivness for the words I said! LOL Maybe GM should just use this new camaro as somthing else maybe call it a chevelle, nova or something and do another camaro and make it like the 68 RS camaro and build it almost to the exact original and then they could say they hit a home run. Well whatever they decide to do, if anything, if it dont stay down in the $20,000 price range GM still wont like how it sells. Toys are toys and not a necessity, and if they arent affordable they wont sell. Just my opinion everybody has one!

No clue, found it where I normally hang out, at LS1TECH.com.. It's in the multimedia section under "new camaro photoshops". There's a sweet trans-am version over there, too.
Olly

It simply MUST be available with a BIG BLOCK V-8 option, period!!! A 502 would be nice!

Remember, It is still only in CONCEPT stage. Maybe by the time it goes to production GM will address and change the "dislikes". I would sure hope that the GM design and marketing boys would consider the opinions of all of US. (After all, Team Camaro IS a very popular website.) And especially since the early response to the Challenger has been so positive...JB

POCO is right, the price is going to determine SO MUCH.

I think if it's even $5,000 more than it should be market wise, that it's sales will be low. I think if it's priced competitively, then it will be a great seller.

I'll buy it as it is if it's priced right. Then I can spend a little $ on an aftermarket grille and some mods to make it look the way I want. (Note: I'm not a concours guy)

I too like the Challenger, but I really like the new Camaro, it has a touch of Retro, but stands on its own as a new car as well. I think that's saying something. I have a '68, and am not real big about the idea of anyone buying a new one off the lot. I think '70 Challenger owners are gonna feel that way.

LIKE: The overall stance, wheelbase and height of the concept. Love the 69 lines and I DO like the round wheel wells as opposed to the rectangular 69's. Love the interior and the powertrain specs as they are right now, but I am obviously crossing my fingers for an SS/Z with the LS7 :)

DISLIKE: The shape of the taillights should me more camaro, less corvette, though I don't totally object to the general shape of the concepts "ass" which with its rounded shape screams corvette. Just meld the concept with a 67/68

The main thing I dislike is the grille. There is way too much Cadillac stying there. The grille itself needs to be taller and take up more of the face of the car. Also I would like to see more of an attempt at a front spoiler and move the foglights closer together like the 69. Far apart like they are looks like every SUV on the road.

just my 2 cents.

Conlusion: I will buy it - even it it's identical to the concept with smaller rims, bigger mirros and a dumbed up interior. But I'd love to see refinements. In my opinion, out of the gate the Challenger team got it 90% right, the Camaro design team got it 80% right.

Likes: Profile, gills, windows.

Dislikes:GRILL...needs to be taller and flatter. I've never been a fan of the original '69 RS grill but that Photo Shop looks damn cool. Wheels are too large, I'm not asking for 15's but these look like a cartoon. And yes a redisgned/updated attempt at rally wheels might be interesting. Oddly enough the rear end doesn't bother me as much, though I would prefer a 1st gen update. Not sure if I'd like '67/'68 style of '69 style though with the generally angular lines of the car the 3 segment '69s would probably suit it better. I guess like many others here...in a word...GRILLE!

LIKE: Overall idea of the car. I especially like the grill treatments on the red Photo Shop car and the orange/silver Photo Shop car.

MAJOR DISLIKE: The Independent Rear Suspension. I'm buying a Camaro, NOT a Corvette. It WILL be modded and drag raced, just like the original First Gen cars were. The IRS is a useless, camber-changing, wheelhopping, fragile rear end setup that won't reliably accept the horsepower and traction levels that can be generated these days. Applying the potential power level to the pavement RELIABLY wil require a solid rear axle.

Ford designers got the picture after talking with their target market. Why not GM?


Randy

(P.S.) I own an '04 Hemi Magnum...wife's car. It has the same LX platform with IRS that will be used under the Challenger. This is why I won't buy a Challenger even though I think they're beautiful. It daily-drives great but sucks at the track (I've had it there.)

i hate the side mirros and tail light panel . the grille could also use some work( it looks like my 79)

Dodge and Ford got it right! The new 69 Camaro dose not appeal to me. I believe I am also swayed by (don't throw stones, please) liking the 67-68 more. I do not like the psuedo-rear brake grilles/vent. The mustang is spot on. It's been around for two(?) years now, and I still cannot take my eyes off of it. I am really disappointed in GM for allowing Ford to beat them to the punch. I would in no way buy one new, we'll see after five years when the price comes down, and reliability pans out.

That said, if the engineering is great, and it outperforms its current competitors, I would be interested. I can suck it up in the looks department. It's close enough.

I'll wait till i see the final verison at the dealers lot.

OK, basically i don't like the styling--too bizarre. Either copy the 69 exactly or come up with something fresh. (and i know they got the blueprints for the 69 tucked away somewhere) I also feel that the 4 square tailights are negative---go with 4 round ones. Like the 70-71 model.

But i don't buy cars based on looks. I buy based on comfort, quality and performance. So, i probably would buy one if i am in a financial position to do so in, they're saying 18 months or so?
But, it would be a 6cyl model. Are they going to equip the 6cyl model with 17" wheels also? Or something smaller? This is another thing i don't like---the tires are too big. The mustang doesn't have such huge tires yet it works. Oh wait, this is not a mustang. This is a camaro. It's better than a mustang. I take it back about the tires. No, but if i did get a 6cyl model i would want smaller tires. The larger tires are ok for the z-28 model.

2) I agree that the IRS is not good for the camaro unless it's made available for the top (z-28/or SS) model. But then that may hurt profibility.
The camaro has always been a sporty but relatively inexpensive car. It's not a corvette. It may be trying to be a corvette, but it's not. Plus a solid rear axle can handle quite well if set up correctly.
Actually, has IRS even been confirmed?


OK let's get serious now.
1) The big thing now (and actually for the past 10 yrs or so) is SPORT COMPACT. Now, the camaro has always been sporty. And it's also always been a compact. BUT, it's not "compact" in today's context. People want civic, cavalier, integra. SUVs are also in. I think GM needs to be targeting these up and coming people---the gen x, y er's. These are today's woodstock generation. In a few years these folks are really going to have some money. Do you really think they are going to go for some recycled 60's icon? Even if copied exactly like the challenger? Are you out of your mind? I'm an X'er and i would buy a new camaro, but i'm different.

2) This is why i feel (and this may seem sacreligious) that the camaro and cobalt must combine/share chassises. Even if this means the camaro goes FWD! The Cobalt SS is a good start but too expensive. If they can make the camaro into sort of like a integra/prelude/ 240X/ maybe supra-ish/RX-7 with a 16 valve 4 cylinder AND make it rear drive (i don't know if it's feasible to put RWD in a chassis originally designed for FWD) then i think they got something. In other words, make the camaro smaller, with a 4 cylinder ( a hot, 16V 4 cylinder though) and make it very coupy----prelude, 240X, supra, RX-7ish, then i think they'll have a winner. And i winner that will last (the nostaligicamaro ain't gonna last, buddy). The supercharger makes it too expensive, so that's why i'm suggesting 16Valves.
Now, the mustang will have a performance advantage. But you know what? Most Mustang buyers aren't going to be swayed by a camaro no matter how well it performs; They are loyal to mustang. And the tuner crowd doesnt care how fast a car initially is out of the showroom; They either live with it or modify it themselves.
Hey look, the monte carlo went FWD and it's OK. You got to do what you got to do.

3) The other possibilty, which i've discussed before, is for the camaro to change into an Sporty SUV. While the idea may seem far-fetched, look at the Porsche Cayenna. Also, remember those concept models GM had where the camaro and firebird were made into station wagons ( i wil try to dig up some pictures).
There's no reason why an SUV can't be stylish, sexy and fast like the Cayenna (sp?). Like i've stated before, the core trans/camaro buyers now have kids and are married.
But that's not going to happen. Then again, you never thought Michael Richards would say what he said................

4)OK, now this is really serious:
If this new "nostalgamaro" fails, and folks i hate to say this, i think it will eventually, sales-wise, fade out. And if GM decides (as they inevitably will) to cancel it. Then the camaro is finished--- FOR GOOD. There will not be a "third coming." The camaro will CEASE TO EXIST. No more camaro-----EVER.
I don't care if they do a "smokey and the bandit 4," THERE WILL BE NO CAMARO (or firebird).

So Gm needs to wake up. There is still time. I don't know what the solution is (although #2 and possibly #3 have, i feel, some merit), but the "nostalgamaro" is not the answer.

What do you think?

What do you think?

I think you're delusional, have lost touch with reality, aren't living in the same world as the rest of us based on your ideas and expectation of others, and are out of your mind. Glad you asked. /Cheers!

Mechanically it has great potential.
Physically it looks like it was designed by a committee of young engineers without roots in our era. The engineers that were learning when the first gens were current have all retired to that great proving ground in the desert.
GM needs another Bill Mitchell or Harley Earl with the power to wield his pen. NOTHING happens in business if you don't have SALES. People have to look at this car and say "I have to have that". (like the new mustang)
I'm just tired of seeing everything on the road look like something else.

Why does every car have to look aerodynamic, but people would rather drive a 4X4 SUV? Can't they design a car anymore that isn't necessarily the most aero shape they can squeeze out of a wind tunnel and make it something everyone wants? Something DIFFERENT.
I must be getting old.

Off-topic:

Don't assume all of us grew up in the 60's. I am pre-30 and have owned my Camaro for 6.5 years. I bought it with my own cash, and taught myself as I went along. Yet, You guys make me feel young, I really appreciate that as I approach 3 0!
:beers:

As with most of the comments, the front of the concept needs to be restyled alot closer to the orig. More grill less"bumper area" and put those turn signals where they belong. Get the rear more like the 69 and go to the square dash cut outs "less like the 7s and 8s". The rest of the body lines have grown on me and as long as I can buy it with the R/S pkg, ZL1,6 speed and a heafty rear I'm IN.

Originally posted by Stewart G. Griffin: What do you think?
If you really want to know, I think you're way off base with the SUV concept, you've been throwing that idea out time and time again here for the past year. If people want an SUV, they'll buy an SUV....not a Camaro. GM could build a new SUV if they want, but why the heck would they call it a Camaro?? I thought SUV sales were down. GM has made a few bonehead moves of recent, but unless they totally want to go down the dumper, they won't come out with a new SUV of any type in the near future.

Dislike: The Grill,tail lights, and big wheels.

Like: The general look of the car, I kinda liked it at first, and it's really grown on me since I first saw the concept. I would definately consider buying it, but gotta see in on the lot first to be sure.

I dislike the new Camaro because:

I like the concept of having a new Camaro, but I wish they would have designed it from an original sense. This new Camaro is based on the Cadillac STS platform according to Chevy High Performance Magazine, and if you look closely, a lot of the body lines looks exactly like the STS. If I want a Cadillac, I would go buy one. Come on GM, build something that actually resembles the '69, not some hand-me-down from Cadillac.

Dean:

You are right on the money. I said a long time ago it looks like the STS. About two weeks ago I found a pic of an STS at the same angle as the "typical" shot of the new Camaro (like above on this thread), but I couldn't download it. I was going to post the two for everyone to see. The new Camaro is a joke in my opinion. A non-original joke at that.

I think the dash board lay out $*cks on the 5th gen. I have read several comments by the real world professional automotive critics comparing a first gen Z28 to a 1970 Z28. The critics said the first gen Z's were a hasty response to the Ford Mustang. The guage pack everyone loves in the center console of the first gen Z's is the equivalent of wearing a wrist watch on your ankle is what the critics said. I agree!! The oil, fuel, coolant temp & electrical guages should be in the dash where you don't have to turn your head and take your eyes of the road for a longer period of time. Every second counts in stopping distance. The 1970 Z28's had all these guages in the dash. If you are not going to include the quarter windows for the 5th gen than ditch the gauge pack in the center console and make the 5th gen's interior a refinement of the 1970 Z28 interior.

For Heaven's sake my daily driver 1999 Ford Explorer has all the guages in the dash not below my right knee. Stupid!! Stupid!! Stupid!! GM....

Lastly the 1970 Z28 was way ahead of it's time with the body style & interior. The interior of the 5th gen's guages is going back to pre-1967. More like 1965 or 1966 when the Chevelle had the knee knocker tach, another dumb idea. Ditch the stupid center console guages and put them in the dash where they belong!! This is 2007, not 1969. Hello GM, this is your 1970 Z28 calling; you need to be moving forward in interior design and not backward to 1969. Did I say the gauges need to be in the dash? WAKE UP GM!! WAKE UP!!

Ok send the hate mail. I'm ready for it!!

Its cool Goon, free country an all. lol

I aint sayin a word until it hits the floor.

Will see them in Carlisle and decide in person. From what I have seen on paper they look ok. Like the LS2...

Like: RWD, Chevy V8, Pony Car Dimensions

Dislike: EVERY Aspect of the Styling


I guess I'm not the Chevy's target demographic for this car.
I see the vehicle as a tuner/slammer styled car, not retro at all.
Too bad, I was going to buy one. I'm very disappointed



Winners: Challenger (BIG time) , Mustang

Losers: Camaro