Just wanted to vent my disappointment with the new Camaro. I saw it today in Hot Rod mag and the Challenger 10-1 looks better. I'm ashamed to say this being a Camaro enthusiast for decades. Just calling a spade a spade. What does everyone else think????

Im Yelling ...as im typing this....:angry: . can someone add flames to this thread?.....

Just wanted to vent my disappointment with the new Camaro. I saw it today in Hot Rod mag and the Challenger 10-1 looks better. I'm ashamed to say this being a Camaro enthusiast for decades. Just calling a spade a spade. What does everyone else think????

mid year 1970 they made the last camaro and GM will never make another ,
and one thing that has come to my attention is that when I say this some tell me that this is my (OPINION) it's NOT my opinion it happened !!! I can't help it I didn't do it I had nothing to do with it !! I wish they still made them today but they don't , the closest thing I see is those new bodies which are copies of camaro's they could become a way to own a new camaro for the rich among us , but other than that I guess the fat lady has sung .

All NEW Camaro posts go here http://www.camaros.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=52

The moderators were trying to keep Bench Racing from getting clogged up with all the "new Camaro" threads. For a while it seemed like there were 3 or more new threads a day.

What does everyone else think????

Take a look around this forum I think plenty of folks have been voicing their opinions... Nobody will twist your arm to buy one if you don't like it.

I believe this is a prototype stingray, just shows how far over the top prototypes can be. The car that was put in production was very toned down from this...

I AGREE the new camaro for 2009 will suck majorly if they keep it as it is.
This crap is too flat and rectangular... too pointy and too much body paneling. GM SUCKS

I actually think it is a cross between a Chrysler Crossfire and a 70's vette. Minus all the smooth curves and flowing panels.

WHY IS THE 2009 "camaro" SO SHARP CORNERED?
GM is just plain, old, and confused...

Hey Jim - nothing wrong with expressing ones dislike but most of us are mature enough to not bash anyone in doing so...

As the old saying goes opinions are like.....................

If you don't like it don't buy one. I can harldy wait to get my hands on one when they or if they come out with a new one. My only problem is I have to wait until 2009. The good thing maybe I can have enough saved up to pay cash for it.

Dennis,

I wonder that that 'Vette prototype car is worth, if it still exists?

I think GM keeps all trade show vehicles in three unmarked heavily secured and alarmed really big ware houses in the suburbs of Detroit. They also keep the first and last production run of each and every model ever made. Though I am sure they have culled quite a few vehicles since the fifties I think the 'vette Stingray prototype influenced by Duntov's Sebring racer is still around. Though I read somewhere (I think Diana said it in one of his Buckaroo mags) were someone trashed the original Nomad Corvette prototype from the 1952 show.


Larger Dave

I AGREE the new camaro for 2009 will suck majorly if they keep it as it is. This crap is too flat and rectangular... too pointy and too much body paneling. GM SUCKS! I actually think it is a cross between a Chrysler Crossfire and a 70's vette. Minus all the smooth curves and flowing panels. WHY IS THE 2009 "camaro" SO SHARP CORNERED?
GM is just plain, old, and confused...
Hey Jim, before you take your ball and go home would you care to enlighten us as to what you think should be done to improve the design and make it a car that you wouldn't feel the urge to uninate all over?

And next time....try a little constructive feedback instead of just tossing out insults and abrasive rhetoric.

Hey Jim, before you take your ball and go home would you care to enlighten us as to what you think should be done to improve the design and make it a car that you wouldn't feel the urge to uninate all over?

And next time....try a little constructive feedback instead of just tossing out insults and abrasive rhetoric.

I have to seriously agree with Infamous. Running around saying this or that "sucks" is immature and unimaginitive. If you don't like it, don't buy it, or try to help give your ideas to make it better. I'm on the fence personally as to whether I like it or not.

Well out of the 3 (ford dodge GM) I really like the new R/T so I think GM should build the new Camaro more like the 69 body with suddle changes, I
would like to see a the rear spoiler as a seperate piece, rs and standard front end. I also see the rear as a bmw, and the rear sloped glass to spoiler and square rear is too much like the mustang. So GM if your listing your trying too hard, use the "kiss" method keep it simple simon?. Please get the
new camaro right my oldest (18) son wants a new R/T, my 15 yr. old son wants a eclispe my 8 yr. son wants a mustang, and the last 2 aren't happening! Well atleast my 6 yr. old daughter still loves my 67 rs/ss white camaro.

For every person on this site saying that GM is screwing up by not making this new Camaro exactly like the 69 model, there is another person on the other gen sites saying GM is screwing up by making this new Camaro too first gen looking. Personally, I really don't like the 69s, and if it looked exactly like the 69 I wouldn't buy one. GM can't make this car please everyone. There are too many design changes in a vehicle line that ran for 35 years. The best they can do is build something that has some reminders of one of the models, and has a forward looking design. It seems they've done that by using the first gen model as an idea template. Sure I think the car needs some changes to make me ecstatic about it, but then.....for every change I'd like them to make, I'm sure there folks out there that would hate that change.

I guess the important thing to remember is that it's a VERY difficult vehicle to design and make a majority pleased. Give them a break and see what they can come up with. The designers are not a bunch of geeks sitting in a laboratory with 3' thick walls and no access to the outside world. Millions upon millions go into the design and demographic research to come up with a car like this. These guys are just people trying to make something that folks will like, and in turn, will buy. If they don't get a positive response to it, they'll rethink it. However, saying it "sucks", won't get them anywhere.

Just my honest opinions and I don't mean to offend anyone.

/cheers

its alright..could be better!

Im Yelling ...as im typing this....:angry: . can someone add flames to this thread?.....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/starguard/iuiffvjk.jpg

I love this car and think it is as nice or nicer than the Challenger or Charger.

Just my .02.

Take care,

Elmer

i think a lot of people feel that GM is insulting them by putting this monstrosity out there and calling it "Camaro".
much like when the 94 Impala came out as a -gasp- 4 door, or when the 95 Monte came out as a fwd model, and later when the fwd Impala replaced the Lumina. and they way they casually throw an SS badge on EVERYTHING from the supercharged ricer boy Cobalt to an overpriced, underperforming AWD full size truck.
people feel personally insulted by GM, and as such, aren't afraid to throw a few insults right back.
GM wants to know how people feel- or at least they SAY they want to know how people feel- so people tell them.
the concept sucks from an aesthetic standpoint- too blocky and futuristic looking, and i don't see a Camaro when i look at it- but i bet it's a blast from behind the wheel. but my opinion really shouldn't matter, since i probably won't be in any position to get one when they come out, especially if they price them too high.
altho in the spring of '02, i ALMOST special ordered an '02 Z28 with minimal options that would have cost under $25k... keep that price point in mind, round off the body lines a bit, and actually market it, and people will buy it.

For every person on this site saying that GM is screwing up by not making this new Camaro exactly like the 69 model, there is another person on the other gen sites saying GM is screwing up by making this new Camaro too first gen looking. Personally, I really don't like the 69s, and if it looked exactly like the 69 I wouldn't buy one. GM can't make this car please everyone. There are too many design changes in a vehicle line that ran for 3.5 years. The best they can do is build something that has some reminders of one of the models, and has a forward looking design. It seems they've done that by using the first gen model as an idea template. Sure I think the car needs some changes to make me ecstatic about it, but then.....for every change I'd like them to make, I'm sure there folks out there that would hate that change.

I guess the important thing to remember is that it's a VERY difficult vehicle to design and make a majority pleased. Give them a break and see what they can come up with. The designers are not a bunch of geeks sitting in a laboratory with 3' thick walls and no access to the outside world. Millions upon millions go into the design and demographic research to come up with a car like this. These guys are just people trying to make something that folks will like, and in turn, will buy. If they don't get a positive response to it, they'll rethink it. However, saying it "sucks", won't get them anywhere.

Just my honest opinions and I don't mean to offend anyone.

/cheers
I fixed your post you left your decimal point out and it read that they made camaro's for 35 years when it was actually 3.5 years ,
and as for the new camaro being hard to design ?? it's not hard all they have to do is pick one it's like multiple choice
#1 1967
#2 1968
#3 1969
what's hard about that ??

as for saying they should change the concept car they don't need to change anything on it that I can see just bury it .
and who could say that it was to firstgen looking ???

I fixed your post you left your decimal point out and it read that they made camaro's for 35 years when it was actually 3.5 years ,
and as for the new camaro being hard to design ?? it's not hard all they have to do is pick one it's like multiple choice
#1 1967
#2 1968
#3 1969
what's hard about that ??

as for saying they should change the concept car they don't need to change anything on it that I can see just bury it .
and who could say that it was to firstgen looking ???

You don't have to fix anything for me. I know what I said and meant it. Please feel free to hide your head in your own little corner of the world if that's what you want, but us first gen owners aren't the only folks looking at what GM is doing with the Camaro, and they don't ALL want a first gen only replica. You ask what's so hard about your multiple choice question? Here's your answer....it's closed minded and pointless.

It's nice to be really into something, but obsession and fanatacism is going too far. I don't understand how some of you folks are getting so darn worked up over something that doesn't affect you, especially the majority of you on this site. You love first gens, and own them...quit crying about what GM is doing with the newer model if you think the the 67-69 models are the only ones worth a crap. Did you get this worked up when GM came out with the 3rd or 4th gen Camaros?

I think GM keeps all trade show vehicles in three unmarked heavily secured and alarmed really big ware houses in the suburbs of Detroit. They also keep the first and last production run of each and every model ever made. Though I am sure they have culled quite a few vehicles since the fifties I think the 'vette Stingray prototype influenced by Duntov's Sebring racer is still around. Though I read somewhere (I think Diana said it in one of his Buckaroo mags) were someone trashed the original Nomad Corvette prototype from the 1952 show.

I remember back in the late '70s, in a HOT ROD magazine, there was a prototype of a 1st gen Camaro station wagon. I wonder if it's still around??

Back to the new Camaro....after watching this video with Tom Peters.... http://www.frontiernet.net/~face440/DiscoveryCamarodocumentary.asf

I'm not sure GM ever intended on going retro. He never said they used a '69 for a model....they used fighter jets & eagles and such. Just a few words about it's heritage was the only time the 1st gen was mentioned.

Maybe we just wanted it to be retro because of what Ford did with the Mustang and now Dodge has done with the Challenger?? Then we were diappointed when it didn't happen.

Whatever it turns out to be, I hope it does well mostly because it will mean some folks will still have a job!

I agree and I don't like the new Camaro either! :sad:

Make a Camaro with the SAME lines as a 67,68,69 Camaro, add the fancy electronics and safety features and I would buy one tomarrow.. 1st gen style never goes out of style........

Well if I could request one thing from GM as well... please place the "smell" of a 1st gen can in the new camaros.. there is something so sweet just sitting in my car and closing my eyes and taking up the smell of a 39 year old muscle car.

I'm not sure GM ever intended on going retro. He never said they used a '69 for a model....they used fighter jets & eagles and such. Just a few words about it's heritage was the only time the 1st gen was mentioned.

So the fact that three or four '69 Camaros rolled out ahead of it at the auto show was just....coincidence?

I think the designer's for this concept Camaro should be congratulated on their efforts. There are many obstacles to overcome when designing a car now as compared to the 1960's era, safety, gas mileage, etc. I think they have done a nice job combining some of the styling cues from the first gen cars but also making it appealing for those with a more modern flair. If you can blend the best parts of the old with the advances in new technology you'll probably have a winner with the best of both worlds! Like it has already been stated, the final design will more than likely be toned down or a little less over the top. I'm looking forward to seeing what's next and can't wait to purchase one. My main concern is that they keep the price around $30K or less.

first off let me say this the name of this thread is (THE NEW CAMARO SUCK'S)

clwilcox33 you know this stuff is really hard to get across without people missunderstanding it , I absolutley love chevy's always have and will till I die , but I love the same one's that 99% of the rest of the world love's , chevy made car's from about 1950 to 1970 and they kept their truck's till 1972 along with a couple others , as I have stated before I can't help it I had nothing to do with it , let me give you an example of what I am talking about ,
corvette 1953 to 1967
camaro 1967 to 1969
chevelle 1964 to 1972
nova 1962 to 1972
chevy pickup 1947 to 1972
to me the camaro was a short run and YES it upset's me to think about it , the car's and truck's made after this are or were BT (BASIC TRANSPORTATION) a way to get from point A to point B this is why it would tickle me to see them make an exact copy of a 1967 1968 or 1969 camaro and put new brakes new steering and suspension just a 67 68 69 looking package anything less is an insult just as everyone but a select few are saying , I think if they are not going to make a camaro that looks like a camaro then they should rename it ,
just to make it clear as far as the concept car goes for a grocery getter or car to use to drive to work it is probably great it would probably drive good get good fuel mileage be comfortable but they should not put camaro emblems on it that is an insult to THEM and to US

I want a new Camaro, just as it was shown or like some of the redone pictures floating around. That black and gold Trans Am looks really sweet!! Seen some other with minor tweaks that look just awsome to me. As for a retro look, I would love to see that also, but for the money I would rather build the killer Pro-Touring first gen and be more of a one off type than buy a New Challanger. Don't get me wrong that Challanger looks awsome too and given enough cash I would own all three new pony cars when they come out. I like the new Stang and would love to have a GT or Cobra.

I agree with this entirely. One think I would like to point out though, is if you really don’t like just a few aspects of the car and are going to say it "sucks" and they should changes this and change that, then just spend the money and customize yourself. They can't possibly be expected make a car that appeals to everyone’s specific tastes.

67Blue&Gold, for your first post you've done well, you mentioned an interesting factor, that of 'customizability.' One could make an argument that no car has been hot-rodded in more ways than the first gen Camaro, for me that's the missing ingredient in a new generation of Camaros, it's just not possible to customize a 4th gen camaro for example in the same way we used to do with our old camaros when I was young-- we'd find an old smallblock out of who knows what car, spend a weekend installing it, spend a couple dollars on primer spray paint, cut out the rear wheel wells a little with tin snips and put some 50 series tires on...now THAT was low budget and street-rodding at its best!

when the 95 Monte came out as a fwd model,

throw an SS badge on EVERYTHING from .... to an overpriced, underperforming AWD full size truck.

I'm tired of the new camaro threads... but...

I will take a moment to agree with Derrik on the current Monte, a flat out gorgeous car... made comepletely worthless by it's manufacturers choice of drivetrain.

AND.... I will insist on taking VIOLENT exception to that reference to an overpriced underperforming truck with an SS badge on it...

I triple dare you to go to you local Chevy dealer tomorrow. Drive a Tahoe. Drive a Z71, drive an Avalanche, THEN DRIVE AN SS!

and b4 anyone talks about lightnings and srt10's... let's remember both of those have a load rating well under 1000 lbs, seat 2, and are undriveable in the winter in most of the country... not to mention that niether are produced anymore.

hey cool, thread hijacking alert!!!

i will bet anybody if chevy makes this thing they call a camaro,it will not come close to the mustang or the challenger in sales.look at the gto, no sale.( why) it did not look like a gto. we don`t even want to go to the nova, ford with the mustang sold like hot cakes (why) it looks like a f#$@*+ mustang gm needs to wake upand ttake a good look around mike

One thing you have to remember that the camaro wont be out until 2009, In 2009 who knows what the mustang will look like, I think GM could have did better on the grill making it look a little more like the 69, but I like the concept and I think it has alot of the 69 in it already, side louvers, roof lines cowl hood, the main thing is they stay true to the camaro name and make it a ground shaker, lets have some motor options again 400hp to 500hp and it won't be like the cobra having to add a super charger to get hp. I own a 69 Z28 and I would love to have the new concept parked right next to it.

I remember back in the late '70s, in a HOT ROD magazine, there was a prototype of a 1st gen Camaro station wagon. I wonder if it's still around??
I think I have a picture in one of my books of that car somewhere. In the mean time I came up with these two concepts.

http://www.funkconsulting.com/67camaro/misc_images/woody.jpg


http://www.funkconsulting.com/67camaro/misc_images/wagon.jpg

the new camaro is by far the best looking camaro i have ever seen, sorry for all you old timers that can't let go of the past and buy something that looks new :)

def the best looking

Can you imagin what that Waikiki would be worth now if they made them. I bet not many would have been sold and they would be worth a mint now. I think that surf rack is damn cool and so is that little boat.

I think that surf rack is damn cool and so is that little boat.

Don't forget the hot hula girl as well :D

She looks like Tia Carrea................hot!!

I really like that Second Gen. Wagon!! (BUT then again I like WAGONS!!!)...

Just make the tailgate drop down and the glass half go up is all I'd ask..

pdq67

the new camaro is by far the best looking camaro i have ever seen, sorry for all you old timers that can't let go of the past and buy something that looks new :)

Oh man!! What a joke!! Guess we all need to get our walk'n canes and you should get some glasses!!

the second pic looks like a streached pacer...wayne's world.. HeHe

I agree the, rear looks like Mustand- but , front top looks like cadillac! Round it off!

I like the new Camaro. Could it be better? Sure. But GM has 2-3 years to tinker with it. Relax. One thing that all of you "haters" don't consider is once you make a car look too much like the originals, there is really no place to go with it in the future. Mustang and Challenger will soon have a problem because there isn't anywhere to go with it as far as styling. You want proof? Just look at what happened with the styling back then. They didn't progress with the bodys...they totally changed the body. 1967-69 Camaros and then "boom!" totally changed. 1970-1973 Challenger..."boom!" gone! Mid/Late 60's to very early 70's Mustangs and then...totally changed. There was no where else to go with these body styles. So why copy a body style that didn't last long? Thats why I like new Camaro because its not super retro...which means (unlike the future Mustang and Challengers) will have to room to grow. Personally I can't stand the new Challenger because it looks exactly like a '70'. Why? It shows little imagination. Why not just spend that $25/30K on a real, authentic 1970 Challenger. . The new Camaro will not be exactly as you see it and it will sell. Mark my words.

Boy did I open a "can of worms" with this one. My point is very simple, while the mopar guys are boasting of the new Challenger and the Ford camp is basking in the success of the Mustang why can't we get a "retro" Camaro??? It would sell like hotcakes!!! I would buy one ASAP if it looked like some earlier artist drawings that were floating about. It has been said if I don't like it then don't buy??? That goes without saying.

Hey....since I'm new to the site and I was asked to "make a post" I'll add my two sense here. Just to let you all know, I'm part of the reason the Camaro was pulled from the market! You see, I began my relationship with the Camaro with a 69 and then followed up with a second one no more than four years later...they were cheap and plentiful in the 80s. I soon found myself in college and out of money and had to sell them, (oh regret). Fast forward a couple of years and a couple of jobs later, none of the offered cars got my attention! Heck, I bought a BMW since I wanted a performance car that had class and a personality. You know what I recently learned? I could have had everything I wanted with the fourth gen! I just didn't take the time to look at it because I thought it lacked the essence of what the original Camaro offered. I now have a 95 1LE and I tell ya I was wrong back then. This car offers a lot and I didn't have to work for months getting it to do what it does out of the box. What am I saying here? I'm saying that I should have bought the car new and made my vote clear to GM when they were producing it. With that said...I'll take almost anything they make just to reconnect. Of course, it will have to be rear wheel drive, V8 and with 6 fwd gears. Whoa! There I go getting picky again...hahahaha.

Agreed

Hey guys, great to see a sight were there are still people passionate about GM products! You have no idea how long I had to search to find one! My first reaction was that I liked the challenger and mustang better, but as has been mentioned, they are complete retro cars, mustang is set for a 2009 restyling, the challenger is reportedly to be built in low numbers and nearly unobtainable which has led me to ponder the camaro again and you know what, it has really started to grow on me. I like the distinctive styling, the fact it looks different than everything else on the road looks like it would run like a bat out of he!! (of course my 91 firebird looked fast too but that only led to constant embarrassment at stop lights) point being, if they build it in sufficient numbers to be affordable i would/will buy it.