I own a 69 Camaro, and love it like my kids. But I was looking forward to seeing the new camaro, and I am very disappointed in it. It does not resemble one spec of the 69. Unless that concept changes I will be buying the new Mustang as my next daily driver. The new Mustang and the new Challenger look alot like the old ones on all angles, and my hat is off to Ford and Mopar for that. Isn't the sales of the new mustang thru the roof? Why cant GM see that and just use some common sense.

Two thumbs down on the new Camaro. Hopefully enought of us can contact GM and tell them this, otherwise we will see the Camaro be discountinued again.

If you were around the last two weeks the Bench section was so full of comments on the concept camaro, that this seperate section was created to keep the comments localized for the folks at GM to read themselves. Yes they do have people from Chev that visit our board alot. Your comment will be seen by them here. It might go over better if you suggested particular changes you'd like to see rather than just say 'Im gonna buy a mustang'.
GM has been very open to constructive suggestions and consider also that all 22,000 + of us Team Camaro folks each have our own ideas of what we'd like to see. Chev has to trim this down to one style and of course we hope it mimics a first generation camaro along the lines that Ford and Dodge did with theirs.
Be constructive and they will listen. :)

you are correct , the new dodge challenger look's like a 1970 (WHICH IS WHAT PEOPLE WANT) the 05 and now 06 mustang looks like a 68 mustang (WHICH IS WHAT PEOPLE WANT) the new camaro concept looks like part cadillac part star ship enterprise and part nissan (WHICH IS NOT WHAT PEOPLE WANT) but they are to smart at GM to do anything wrong ? why just look at their track record ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

THE DESIGN IN THE 70 CAMARO IS UNLIKE ANYTHING EVER SEEN
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1066547/70camaro.jpg
THEN THEY EVEN CAME OUT WITH A NEW NOVA
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1066547/bd_1.jpg
AND CHECK OUT THIS SS IMPALA
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1066547/popup_ext_gallery01.jpg
GM knows what the public want's after 1970 they got smart ?? er uhh ?? something , this new camaro is gonna kick the mustang and challengers a$$ , cause the GM folk's know that people love the camaro name , or would it be the name that was on 67 68 69 camaro's ?? no I guess it's just the name if it looks like a space ship and has camaro emblems on it should sell million's


at least thats what they must be thinking ,

To each his own. I like it. I am glad they picked round gauges over square...

Sure it will change some but remember, it is not a 69 Camaro, it is a new one.

that Nova is a bad example of GM's design philosophy at the time- it was nothing more than an imported, rebadged Toyota (i think), that later evolved into ther Geo Prizm when the Geo brand was brought out, and later called the Chevy Prizm when Geo was discontinued.
and i believe they sold quite a few of them.

wait- i gues it is a good example of GM's design philosophy of today- look at the GTO. rebadged, imported Holden with an American nameplate. but at least the GTO started as a GM product, and is an awesome car.
why not just have Holden build a new Camaro?

The way I look at it if you want a first gen buy a first gen ???

But I agree that dodge did a better retro job on their cars !!

The new Camaro looks alot like todays Cadillac's even the color they used for the car is a Cadillac silver! They needed to look out side their own world and see what the people are looking for !!!!!! Not necessiarly a 67,68, or a 69 but somthing that the average joe can afford and drive! Like the mustang, Look at the sells of the mustang over the past two years!
I for one would by a Mustang Or the Challenger over the Camaro, and I am a chevy guy!!!!!

this is the way it needs to be

#1 the mustang looks almost exactly like a 1968 mustang >it's sales are thru the roof
#2 the challenger looks almost exactly like a 1970 challenger that thing will sell like crazy
#3 the camaro will HAVE TO LOOK LIKE EITHER A 1967 1968 1969 CAMARO to compete ,

I'm thinking that GM may be using reverse phsycology on us by releasing pictures of that peice of crap cadillac and are really gonna release a nice looking camaro ,

sort of like coca cola did that time by saying they had quit making coca cola and had (NEW COKE) then let it go and re released coke ,

To answer Click... Here is what I say should be on the new Camaro. I agree with the rest of the replies on this post. IT LOOKS LIKE A CADILLAC and that has to change or the Camaro will be history.

1) The front grill looks nothing like the 69 grill. Its too pointy and needs to change. The mustand and challenger are allmost identical to their 69's. Another thing, what's with the hole in the header panel? That was not there in the 67-69's

2) The new camaro tail lights and back panel dont even come close to what the 67-69's looked like. That has to change.

3) Like i said, use common sense. The new mustang looks ALOT like the old mustangs, and the new Challenger looks even more like the old Challengers of the early 70's. They will sell very well.

If GM does not change that "Cadillacamaro" then the legend of the Chevrolet Camaro will die a very painfull and unbearable death to all us first Gen Camaro people. Fire that designer of the 2009 Camaro immediately before its too late.

Just my 2cents worth

Go to Chevy's website; www.chevrolet.com

In there you will find a link to e-mail your respones to GM about the Camaro. When I was at the Auto Show, that's what the announcer told the crowd. "Snake Eyes" posted a thread in here saying he did just that and actually got a telephoned response from GM.

So if you want your voice to be heard you'll go there and send an e-mail.

A word about Challanger....I personally love the car, but I gotta admit from a business stand point (and this was echoed by many who saw it in person) it is just too damn retro. I actually heard two guys arguing whether it was an original 1970 car with a body kit or a whole new car. Not kidding. And it was huge too. It's 10 inches longer than our Camaro concept....10 INCHES!!!! And it's as tall as the Toyota Camry. That's a big sports car.

But they'll build it. And I'm sure they'll sell a few. Although they won't be priced in the Camaro/Mustang market. My buddy over at Chrysler says he's hearing rumors of Challanger going north of 40.

Maybe you can post a link to the exact spot on the chevy site. I looked around for awhile and couldn't find it. I did get really annoyed though. I think the decision to go with this modern version instead of the timeless first gen version is exactly the type of decision making that got GM into the trouble it is in. Yesterday I spoke to the person that was one of the main design guys on the orig, Dodge Challenger. He does not like the new Camaro. I have been asking many people what they think of it and many give me a decisive NO. Many also like it but if I were building it and had heard that many opinions against it I would have a hard time taking the plunge to build it.

Maybe they should build it with bias ply tires and a carb too? Hell go back to 4 wheel drums, cause thats what the 1969 Camaro had. What would be really sweet would be a oil leaking 1 bbl L6 with the 3spd on the tree.

The roof line, belt line, and window shape are right off the 1969 Camaro. The console with guages, 69 Camaro.

The only part of that car that needs work is the rear, it looks weird.

If you want a new 1969 Camaro, talk to Dynacorn, ( everyone b!tched about that too.) if you want a new car with the safety and performance of a new car with the things that made the 69 Camaro cool, then just wait. I don't think that with the 2006 Z06 under their belt that the Chevy guys are going to dissapoint.

I gotta say that I think the guys that say it doesnt look like a first gen are looking for reasons not to like the design. I think it is a nice combination of the 67/68 body and the 69 body! I do not like the rear end view, its to rounded, not enough length in the trunk area. I would also improve on the front grill, making the actual grill thicker top to bottom. I would also like to see the hood scoope a bit more pronounced! and perhaps some fender lines more like the 69 body, over the wheel openings and back.

Over all I think they have a great Concept, and will build an even better production car. I will buy one, if its affordable!!

Maybe you can post a link to the exact spot on the chevy site. I looked around for awhile and couldn't find it.
I couldn't find it either Charley. I'll send "Snake Eyes" a PM and ask him to jump in here with a link. Although I disagree that the car should go more retro I do feel it's important that GM hear all opinions on the car both good and bad. So far they're hearing an awful lot of good stemming from the Auto Show.

I too think a few things could be tweeked in the front and rear ends to look more "Camaro" like.
I think it is a GREAT concept, one of the best looking modern cars I've seen.

I already have a first gen and love it's looks, I'd like to have a 5th gen as well, and I'd like the two to be different.

Maybe they should build it with bias ply tires and a carb too? Hell go back to 4 wheel drums, cause thats what the 1969 Camaro had. What would be really sweet would be a oil leaking 1 bbl L6 with the 3spd on the tree.

The roof line, belt line, and window shape are right off the 1969 Camaro. The console with guages, 69 Camaro.

The only part of that car that needs work is the rear, it looks weird.

If you want a new 1969 Camaro, talk to Dynacorn, ( everyone b!tched about that too.) if you want a new car with the safety and performance of a new car with the things that made the 69 Camaro cool, then just wait. I don't think that with the 2006 Z06 under their belt that the Chevy guys are going to dissapoint.


I don't want a Dynacorn car. GM did a retro first gen looking car in design. It is very doable with current safety features etc. It does not have to be a exact clone. It just needs to be like the one they built that nobody is seeing. Let us see it and then decide. They have gone modern because the next gen Mustang will be modern and they don't want to be the last guy doing retro.

You know what's funny? Even those of you that "love"it, would change this and that. You love the car but would, put a scoop, change the grille and the rear end, etc.. To me that means you "would settle for it" not that you actually like it. I think the point some are missing is this, "it is supposed to ne a retro Camaro", that is why some of us don;t care much for the design. I don;t think it is an ugly car by todays standars, but it doesn't look like a 1st gen Camaro I don't care what angle you hold the picture at. The retro Mustang is modern, but still looks like a 60's Mustang. If you woke up from a coma from the early 70's you would recognize the Mustang as a Mustang.

If GM just wants to make a "new" Camaro and leave the whole retro thing out of it, I don't have a problem with that. Call it a 5th gen Camaro and leave it at that.

What will sell is a good looking V8 rear wheel drive car for a decent price.

I wouldn;t want it to look exactly like a 69 Camaro, but it should resemble it in some ways if you want to call it retro. I don't see much 1st gen (if any) in the current concept.

clill, how do you know there was another car?

I own a 69 Camaro, and love it like my kids. But I was looking forward to seeing the new camaro, and I am very disappointed in it. It does not resemble one spec of the 69. Unless that concept changes I will be buying the new Mustang as my next daily driver. The new Mustang and the new Challenger look alot like the old ones on all angles, and my hat is off to Ford and Mopar for that. Isn't the sales of the new mustang thru the roof? Why cant GM see that and just use some common sense.

Two thumbs down on the new Camaro. Hopefully enought of us can contact GM and tell them this, otherwise we will see the Camaro be discountinued again.
I love the new Camaro - I see quite a few '69 design queues, just look at the roofline and sail panel for one :D

I only wish they would get it into showrooms sooner :(

Go to www.Chevrolet.com and click the CONTACT US link near the bottom. They DO read ALL of those emails.

Here is a direct link:
http://www.chevrolet.com/contactus/

Royce, what do you expect from a bunch of hotrodders? The majority of the 1st gens on the road are modified even if they look stock so for someone to say I like it but change _____ is totally in line from where I'm sitting.

Charley - You have 1st gens that totally blow away anything that can roll off the assembly line. I really found it interesting you are in the make it truly retro mind set. Not critizing, I just think a stock 2009 Camaro that looks just like a '69 and sells for under $30K would be short lived in your barn...

Dennis,
I understand your point about the way hot rodders think. My point was they would say in one sentance "I love the car" in tthe next sentance they would want to change 99% of it. To me that is a contradiction. If they just wanted different wheels, wider tires, more power, etc.. I could understand.

I would not be a fan of an exact replica of any first gen, that would not be smart for the hobby nor for GM. I just fail to see the "retro" in the current concept. I know it is only the concept, and hopefully the one that makes it to market will be a little more "retro-ish"

Here's another way to look at it. If you saw the picture of the concept and it wasn't presented or labeled as a Camaro, what would you guess it was (no emblems or anything). Anyone that says Camaro is not being straight forward (IMO). The first thing I see is a sporty Cadillac. That is not a bad thing, I think the car is decent looking. Even if they want to call it a Camaro I have no issue with that. Just lose the whole retro term and I am good with it.

For those that say the roof line looks retro, I disagree. What Camaro ever had a big, divot in the middle of the roof? What Camaro looked like a chop top? What Camaro had huge tailights? The gauge package around the shifter is the only thing that gives it any old school muscle feel (not just Camaro's had that though).

Hey look at that girl over there she is, sexy, but I would change her hair color, cut her hair, change her clothes and makeup, her butts too big, she walks funny, has a big nose and needs lipo, plus she has big feet. Do you see my point? Is she sexy or is she a project? At this point we don;t know anything about personality so that can't be factored in.

People aren't saying I like it, but not the silver paint. They are saying I like it, but want to change major items that are not bolt on/off. Where are you going to get a new redesigned grill, new quarter panels, new tail panel? When you drop what I am sure will be close to $40K for a well equiped car, you don't want to throw another $20K to make it so you "like" it.

Once again you can't please everyone and I have no issue with that. I don't really dislike the concept (I wouldn't buy it), but to me it's not a retro Camaro. Call it what it is, a 5th gen Camaro.

...Hey look at that girl over there she is sexy, but I would change her hair color, cut her hair, change her clothes and makeup, her butts too big, she walks funny, has a big nose and needs lipo, plus she has big feet...
Do you see my point?



:eek: thought I wandered into the wrong site again... :o

I think I see your point Royce... ;)

John

clill, how do you know there was another car?


It was mentioned on another site by a GM employee that The mule was in GM design studio North with the retro model that looked very much like a 69. It was in clay. I would imagine that the team of designers that built that one would also like it to see the light of day. At least get the publics reaction and go from there. I might make the decision that I like the new version better but at this point we will never know what we missed.

Allthough I think it's a nice looking car I fail to see the retro 69 Camaro look. I am a die hard Chevy guy, but Ford and Chrysler have hit the nail on the head! GM you need to get on with it listen to the buyer, the 69 and 70 Camaro's are probably the most popular cars of thier kind, Ford and Chrylser see this why don't you!

Link to Chev comments section (http://www.chevrolet.com/contactus/)

Problem is, once there , no text box is there or a clickable link to email from. Anyone know how they did it?

Simple, you click the link I posted above ( same one you just posted) and click one of the selections, try "I have a question/comment not related to any of the categories above."
Click CONTINUE
Fill out the info and click SEND :D

Camaroman read my mind. The new camaro is close, but Ford and Dodge beat 'em to the punch. I love the new Mustang, I love the new Challenger. It's amazing to see a V8, manual, gorgeous car for around $26,000. My wife and I are looking for a new car. She likes the new Jetta GLI, Mazda 6, and maybe the Subaru Legacy GT. Where are the domestic offerings? I hate to say this but those are good looking cars. IF we have my way, an 06 Mustang GT (no options) and perhaps the Handling package from Ford Racing will be in front of the house in March. I looks right on, The PRICE is GREAT, and it PERFORMS like it should. So sorry, GM, you snooze, you lose. I love my 68 Camaro, i think its one of the best cars out there. But Ford bought my vote.

Originally posted by Clill
It was mentioned on another site by a GM employee that The mule was in GM design studio North with the retro model that looked very much like a 69. It was in clay. I would imagine that the team of designers that built that one would also like it to see the light of day.
Interesting. Is the GM guy on the other site believable? Anyone else know anything about this? I wonder how one would go about convincing GM that a view of this "other car" might be worthwhile for some feedback?

I don't want a Dynacorn car. GM did a retro first gen looking car in design. It is very doable with current safety features etc. It does not have to be a exact clone. It just needs to be like the one they built that nobody is seeing. Let us see it and then decide. They have gone modern because the next gen Mustang will be modern and they don't want to be the last guy doing retro.


I hear what your saying, but unfortunately the customer they are most concerned about is not you or I, who would probably buy anything with 2 doors 400HP and rwd that said Camaro on it. What they are worried about are the secretaries with big hair who will buy the 9 6cyl versions of the car that need to be built for every 1 v8 version that is sold. The last f-body was a failure in the "chick car" market, thus it's death. Chicks like the Mustang, and they will need to like the Camaro for it to succeed.

Interesting. Is the GM guy on the other site believable? Anyone else know anything about this?

Yes, he's VERY knowledgeable, he was/is directly involved with the Camaro Concept project. He can even be seen in one of the pics that was released to the public that showed the concept being worked on in the design studio.

So how do we get some pics of this other car?

The last f-body was a failure in the "chick car" market, thus it's death. Chicks like the Mustang, and they will need to like the Camaro for it to succeed.

Perfectly stated. I showed the GF a pictute of the concept car and she absolutely loved it! She was going to buy a stang this spring, but now wants to wait and see if the camaro will be built. She has a Mitsicrappi Eclipse now since she loved the look of the car on fast and furious. Wish the Yenko was in the first one maybe she bought one of those..he he

Heretic writes "why dont we put the straight 6 in it too" sarcasticly, but that is what is also needed. Not everyone will want the 400+ HP engine. They should also offer V6's for the "not so fast" car buying market. What's the ratio of GT mustangs to the V6 Mustangs? About 1 to 5? I dont think I'd want my 17 yr old kid in a 400 HP car, but the V6 would be a good start. Not to mention the V6 these days are pretty powerfull.

Heretic writes "why dont we put the straight 6 in it too" sarcasticly, but that is what is also needed. Not everyone will want the 400+ HP engine. They should also offer V6's for the "not so fast" car buying market. What's the ratio of GT mustangs to the V6 Mustangs? About 1 to 5? I dont think I'd want my 17 yr old kid in a 400 HP car, but the V6 would be a good start. Not to mention the V6 these days are pretty powerfull.
I have no doubt GM would build a 6 cyl version of the Camaro. I see plenty of V6 Mustangs around here.
GM sold more V6 cars then V8 cars until 2002 if I remember correctly, anyone have a White book handy?

Heretic....You don't think Chicks like the looks of 69 Camaro's ? It is a proven look that the young and old both like. GM is not even going to float it out there to guage interest ? How could anyone make that big of a business decision without weighing the 69 retro as a possible car ?

posted by Dennis ..."Charley - You have 1st gens that totally blow away anything that can roll off the assembly line. I really found it interesting you are in the make it truly retro mind set. Not critizing, I just think a stock 2009 Camaro that looks just like a '69 and sells for under $30K would be short lived in your barn..."
If it will hold a LS2 it will hold a LS7 pretty easily.

Heretic....You don't think Chicks like the looks of 69 Camaro's ? It is a proven look that the young and old both like. GM is not even going to float it out there to guage interest ? How could anyone make that big of a business decision without weighing the 69 retro as a possible car ?
The Concept Camaro is a '69 Retro design, some of you guys just don't see the styling cues for some reason :D

OverAnxious...I do see their attemp at styling cues... I'm referring to the more retro model they did.

OverAnxious...I do see their attemp at styling cues... I'm referring to the more retro model they did.
I see, I'm just surprised at the comments on various forums by people who dont' see the '69 styling in the concept car.
I'm trying to get some info on that version as well :D

I am one of those that do NOT see a bunch of first gen influence in the concept. Park that concept next to any 1st gen and then park it next to a Cadillac and you tell me which one it looks the most like? Now park the new Mustang next to an old Mustang and next to a Lincoln and tell me which car the new Mustang looks the most like. Ditto for the Challenger. If you try hard enough you can see a little Peterbuilt in the concept, the point is it should be fairly obvious. Don't call it "retro" if it's not.

A car does not have to appeal to one age group or gender, that is easy. What makes a car great is when it appeals to all age groups and genders. Look back in history and look at all the "great" cars (Camaros, Mustangs, Corvette, T-bird, etc...) All of them appeal to everyone, that's what makes them great cars. The latest Corvette appeals to men, women, old, young, but the price doesn't allow many to buy it. It's not because people don't want it, it's just out of the common persons budget (and it's a two seater). The Camaro if done right will fill that gap and sell like hot cakes (just ask Ford about the Mustang).

Chevy replied to my message that I sent to them on the chevy site yesterday. Not bad, a response in just 24hrs. They just informed me that they got my message, and that it will be read, nothing else. Hopefully they will take the advice of us seriously.

So how do we get some pics of this other car?
Is this the car?

http://www.gminsidenews.com/naias/naias_2006/camaromaking/c1.jpg

I pulled this from this thread:
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=25635

I hope not..

Other than the sharper V grille, doesn't the Concept look a bit more like a 68 than a 69? An obvious difference (side view) between the 68 and 69 were that 69 went to square wheel wells.....lost some smoothness for a meaner look. I don't think most potential buyers would favor square wheel wells today.

Other than the sharper V grille, doesn't the Concept look a bit more like a 68 than a 69? An obvious difference (side view) between the 68 and 69 were that 69 went to square wheel wells.....lost some smoothness for a meaner look. I don't think most potential buyers would favor square wheel wells today.
Yeah, the wheel openings are more like the 67/68, but I think the vents in front of the rear wheels scream '69 :D

The fullsize SUVs and pickups have had flat wheel openings for a while now.

Is this the car?

http://www.gminsidenews.com/naias/naias_2006/camaromaking/c1.jpg

I pulled this from this thread:
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=25635


Not a real car... if you look at the right one, someone is expirimenting with graphically modifying the concepts.

i cant belive any member of g.m. reads this site...if so,they would take in this valuable input and put it to planning the next gen camaro..im even having a problem with their trucks also.my small plumbing company buys 5 trucks from fleet dept every 3-4 yrs,and have for the last 21 years.but i just returned from our local chevy dealer very disapointed,the 3/4 ton trucks & vans sit low..soo low to the ground that they get stuck on the job sites 4-5 times a month.even the front air dam on the 4x4's is 6.5" off the ground!and my 05 silverado is going on its 3rd set of tires(under warrenty)in less that 17,000 miles.they wanted to charge me 720.00 for this set.what happened to bumper to bumper warrenty? they are blaming it on the dirt roads on construction sites.the salesman never told me that i shouldn't drive on dirt roads! hell it's a truck! i blame it on the cheap! tires it came with.low bidder supplied them at factory.not my fault..i am real worried about g.m.'s future..i am looking at "other" brand name trucks now.3/4 dodge trucks come factory raised!hate to say it but i will never sell my g.m. collector cars but may have to look elseware for my trucks and i am very interested in the new challenger.please dont take this for anti-g.m.,as i love my "early cars" but,g.m. is going in the wrong direction!

Here is my 2 cents, my Father worked at a Chevy garage as service and body shop manager and was a muscle car nut when the cars were new. I have been a car nut since I was a child. I have owned nearly every model that Chevy offered through the years, the only cars I have owned that were not Chevys were a couple of Oldsmobiles, that was a direct result of being the body shop manager at an Oldsmobile dealership. My fleet at this time is a 67 RS/SS, 74 Z28, 99 Silverado, 00 Venture (this veh has had many problems) and an 06 Impala (nice car, but not real happy that you can't tell it from a Taurus or a Camry). My point is retro is very cool, the Mustang and the Challenger have got it right. If Chevy actually builds the car they have shown us, I'm certain I will suprise every one that knows me as I will put a new Ford or Dodge in a garage that has always required a bow tie. I can't believe that Chevy does not see "us" as the target market for these cars as our acceptance of the retro car is going to influence the younger people into knowing this car is cool.

Not a real car... if you look at the right one, someone is expirimenting with graphically modifying the concepts.
Although it could be a photoshop, it is not uncommon to build clay vehicles with two different designs, one on each side.
I have no idea if this pic is enhanced, just pointing out another possibility :D

i cant belive any member of g.m. reads this site...if so,they would take in this valuable input and put it to planning the next gen camaro..im even having a problem with their trucks also.my small plumbing company buys 5 trucks from fleet dept every 3-4 yrs,and have for the last 21 years.but i just returned from our local chevy dealer very disapointed,the 3/4 ton trucks & vans sit low..soo low to the ground that they get stuck on the job sites 4-5 times a month.even the front air dam on the 4x4's is 6.5" off the ground!and my 05 silverado is going on its 3rd set of tires(under warrenty)in less that 17,000 miles.they wanted to charge me 720.00 for this set.what happened to bumper to bumper warrenty? they are blaming it on the dirt roads on construction sites.the salesman never told me that i shouldn't drive on dirt roads! hell it's a truck! i blame it on the cheap! tires it came with.low bidder supplied them at factory.not my fault..i am real worried about g.m.'s future..i am looking at "other" brand name trucks now.3/4 dodge trucks come factory raised!hate to say it but i will never sell my g.m. collector cars but may have to look elseware for my trucks and i am very interested in the new challenger.please dont take this for anti-g.m.,as i love my "early cars" but,g.m. is going in the wrong direction!
the Silverado/Sierra have sat lower then Ford and Dodge for years now, that is nothing new.
My 2000 GMC Sierra Z71 had Firestone tires from the factory. I put 60,000 miles successfully on that set of tires.
Since then, I am on my second set of BFGoodrich TA 285/75r16 tires also, no issues. I put 50K on the first set with no trouble at all.

If you want to buy a Dodge just because your GM truck had bad tires on them, that is your choice, but I'd rather drive a new Sierra/Silverado with crappy tires then any Ram or F150 :cool:

trust me..i dont let the tires make my decision of which vehicle i purchase.but i do expect a true,full size 4x4 truck to be able to attempt terrain taller than speed bumps...i feel that the younger generation are designing these vehicles and not giving it any thought to using a truck for a truck! after all most of this younger generation does like the low rider...

Please fashion the front end more like a 69 RS and that will set off the rest of the car!

Please don't make the front end anything like the 69...

Don't touch the front end, PLEASE! Its her fat @$$ that needs the work. As for the rest of the car, in short, PERFECT!

Z11 if you read all the threads you will see comments from "Infamous" one of our members here at TC. He works at GM in Detroit and 'asked' for comments and suggestions long ago. He got pages of input and they were all printed out and sent to Chev. for their review.

trust me..i dont let the tires make my decision of which vehicle i purchase.but i do expect a true,full size 4x4 truck to be able to attempt terrain taller than speed bumps...i feel that the younger generation are designing these vehicles and not giving it any thought to using a truck for a truck! after all most of this younger generation does like the low rider...
GMs Fullsize Pickups have outsold Ford and Dodge for a few years now. I prefer the clearance you get from Ford and Dodge as well, but GM builds a better truck hands down :cool:
I know plenty of guys who use their trucks for real work on a daily basis. They like the GM pickups :D