http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-SS-RS-L78-CAMARO-RARE-1967-SS-RS-L78-396-375-LOWERED-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ4615214466QQcategoryZ6161QQrdZ1QQ cmdZViewItemhold on a minute pasted the link wrong
Just curious if anyone knows this car or has seen the cowl tag for verification

C'mon guys...must we go through this one more time? It is what it is, a correct and orig tag and 4k car. I did clean up the tag and retake a picture for clarity this time for the ebay relist.

Please read the comments at the bottom of the add regarding the tag. Someone who knows what he's looking at further substantiates that it is presented correctly.

Please contact me with an email if you would like to discuss further.

Thanks.

My bad I remember this discussion a few weeks ago now. Just a friendly reminder that this is what these open forums are for--- Helping enthusiasts determine if a car is legit or not and not spend this type money without first doing a little "checking" before spending. I saw the reply to the question on the auction and not being a smart____ but that could be from your next door neighbor. Still a very nice car though and certainly you can understand my/our skepticism with all the fakery that is in abundance on E-bay.

There's some errors in the RPO listings. :)
J56 is not manual discs, it's metallic brakes.
J52 (without J50) is manual discs. 9650 cars had manual discs.
G80 is posi, not C80.
D91 & N10 were part of the SS package.
Car didn't come with A39 dlx seatbelts.
K02 was included with L78.
Rally wheels were ZJ9.
V01 was not available with a BB.

Here's more info: http://www.camaros.org/options.shtml#RPOSpreadsheet

What's the axle code (2 letters before the 0413G)?

As I said before, I understand that it's easier to discount the authenticity of a rare car without first hand knowledge or seeing the car in person. However, by more than a few individuals, this one has been confirmed to the best of everyone's ability.

The individual that made the comment on the tag is familiar with the Team Camaro guys also...in fact, I purposely didn't have the tag picture out there on the add at the time to avoid unnecessary negative comments as before. This person talked me into putting it out there since it is real, so I included his comment as well, as he knows what he's looking at obviously.

I appreciate everyone's ability and talent to authenticate this rare car or not, but understand, the ridiculous comments from before I truly believe is what kept this car from selling the first time unfortunately. I know the objective of this forum is not to discount someone from getting what their car is worth, however, when it's all subjective as is the case with this, one should be cautious and use judgement when a very rare car and a large amount of money is involved.

Feel free to email me privately should you wish to discuss further.

Thanks.

What dos 4k mean?

Kurt, thanks for the info, but mine differ slightly.

My resource is the Camaro Restoration Guide by Jason Scott (former editor Muscle Car Review) His consultants were:
Donna Crispino - Intl Camaro Club
Ken Moorehead - US Camaro Club
Kim Schroeder - Cheverolet Corporate (GM)

J56: This is HD Manual disc front, rear metallic drum - 205 units.
J52: Power disc brakes - 14,899 units
G80: reference is "C80", reads posi differential - 31,792 units
D91 & M10: Agree, part of the SS package
A39: Deluxe front and rear lap belts - 51,247 units
KO2: Agree, part of L78
ZJ9: This is Auxilary lighting group
V01: Not sure, assumed this to be the 4 core rad.

Again, this is my resource. I do not have or claim to have a build sheet. I would be curious as to the discrepancies.

By the way...

To bandits77, "4K" is the 396/375 SS option.

Randy

Great looking car, and a very honest description, despite any minor errors. Ovbiously any "errors" in the listing were in no way meant to deceive anyone.

Randy:

Hope your car does well. It is refreshing to see someone describe one so honestly.

Lynn

This L78 Camaro looks like a nice car to me.

Check out this link for a Chevelle on Ebay. The guy misrepresents the car, then gets mad when called on it. Avoid this man's ads like the plague.

http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=119246


LDR

Randy,
That book has plenty of errors in it. :)

J52 is just discs (67 only). J50 was required to make them power discs.
J56 was heavy duty brakes, docs show it was only available on Z's. (My mistake, I was tired, J65 is metallic brakes.)
G80 is the same RPO code for several decades now, not C80.
ZJ7 was rally wheels - Oops.
Unless it has AC (not on an L78), it would have a 3 core rad originally.
A39 would have 5Y on the trim tag.

That RPO sheet on the CRG site was generated via GM documentation and references. It is accurate (unlike my typing last night).

Can you read the axle code letters? That would confirm if it had metallic brakes.

Kurt...that may be. We could debate it all day...but what's odd is some of the codes you have are for '69, for example, the ZJ7 wheel code was for '68-9 only, the '67 was P12 for 14x6 rallys. Also, the G80, is for '69 only, the 7 and 8 referenced C80. It shows G80, then with no production numbers in the chart for both years, it says "ref. C80". Then C80 shows the '67-8.

On the brakes, it shows clearly, J50 as pwr drum front, rear drum. The J52 is pwr front disc, rear drum, and the J56 shows Manual HD disc, '67 only, just one year. The others are all three years. On the seat belts, guess someone added these at some point....they look good though.

It's interesting how documentation differs, and the references from the book are GM folks as well. I'm just reciting what the book says, I'm not saying ones right over the other.

I can't make out the axle codes...I've tried...there's some pitting in the area that makes if difficult. Wish I could.

Randy

Regardless of the debate over the codes, it's a beautiful car that's correctly done and I would bid on it in a heartbeat- if I wasn't married... or broke.

FYI- You might want to remove the "Caution Fan" sticker or suffer the ridicule as I and many others have.

Good luck with the auction, and you're correct in emphasizing that anyone who's seriously interested MUST come and look at it first.

Kevin

Ya I know...I've already suffered that...

Just my .02 on some of this, I'm not trying to stop anyone from posting by this. It bothers me that it seems like a national past time around here to look for high dollar cars and post "is it real" and then sit back and see what unfolds. Maybe the original poster is interested in buying the car but most often my money says they haven't even contacted the seller showing interest in the car. Ok, next is the "it's in the interest of helping others". There most likely is some truth to that but it's over shadowed by some personal satisfaction gained for pointing the car out. Like I said I see it as a sport...

What's going to come of it is the guys with the knowledge will become tired of it and will come around less and less. That means others looking for serious help may not find it so easy to come by.

We go through some of this in waves, one set it will be sellers descriptions, the next will be tags and documentation and then it will be something else...

Keep in mind sellers can be Camaro/car guys just like the rest of us and if they are honest something you or I might say can impact their transaction in a negative way. That's kind of against what this site is about, isn't it? Just a suggestion, if you see a car and don't see anything obviously suspicious let it go. If you see Rare #'s matching BB SS for $100k and it has a inline 6 under the hood let it go, anyone bidding deserves it. If you are truly in the market at the suggested price range (buy it now or reserve not met at $40k for example) post a hey guy's I'm interested, anything I should watch out for? If it's real shady and you have info speak up then too. See where I'm coming from?

Again just my opinion as a member here, I'm not speaking as a moderator...

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Thanks Dennis....I couldn't agree more. It's getting ridiculous!
Randy

Just my .02 on some of this, I'm not trying to stop anyone from posting by this. It bothers me that it seems like a national past time around here to look for high dollar cars and post "is it real" and then sit back and see what unfolds. Maybe the original poster is interested in buying the car but most often my money says they haven't even contacted the seller showing interest in the car. Ok, next is the "it's in the interest of helping others". There most likely is some truth to that but it's over shadowed by some personal satisfaction gained for pointing the car out. Like I said I see it as a sport...

What's going to come of it is the guys with the knowledge will become tired of it and will come around less and less. That means others looking for serious help may not find it so easy to come by.

We go through some of this in waves, one set it will be sellers descriptions, the next will be tags and documentation and then it will be something else...

Keep in mind sellers can be Camaro/car guys just like the rest of us and if they are honest something you or I might say can impact their transaction in a negative way. That's kind of against what this site is about, isn't it? Just a suggestion, if you see a car and don't see anything obviously suspicious let it go. If you see Rare #'s matching BB SS for $100k and it has a inline 6 under the hood let it go, anyone bidding deserves it. If you are truly in the market at the suggested price range (buy it now or reserve not met at $40k for example) post a hey guy's I'm interested, anything I should watch out for? If it's real shady and you have info speak up then too. See where I'm coming from?

Again just my opinion as a member here, I'm not speaking as a moderator...

Dennis,

Well said and I agree.
Doug

ran67, does Camaro Restoration Guide by Jason Scott list the "Caution fan" sticker as correct? I am truly curious since it seems to be done alot. I saw a very nice '69 Pace Car last year and the lady that owned it thought it was correct. I believe it to be incorrect, myself.

I too agree with Dennis. Especially if it is a car with nothing obvious to indicate it is not real.

Gary, this book does indeed show this as a specific detail, interesting huh? There's also another book on Camaro restoration that shows the same thing. Just goes to show ya, not all that is written is fact. I too have seen some high end cars with this detail in place...I've heard some say it's correct, and alot of folks say it's incorrect. It actually looks better without it anyway.

Until I started advertising my car for sale, I hadn't been in the forums much. I have to tell ya, from what I've witnessed in a very short time, Dennis hit the nail on the head! In some cases, not all, but some, it's not about the hobby or the beautiful cars that are out there....just my opinion.

Randy

well i for one sure wish i had the cash...........sweet ride....

I agree with Dennis.

Cars getting brought out here to question its validity or to point out everything thats "wrong" with it is one of the things that has really bothered me for a while. Its one thing if someone is interested in buying the car and wants our thoughts/opinions, but many times that doesnt seem to be the case.

dave

well i for one sure wish i had the cash...........sweet ride....

Thanks for the compliments....
Randy

Randy,
Actually P12 was not rally wheels.
Rally wheels were part of J52 in 67 and did not show on the window sticker.

The G80 info and the brake info is wrong. I have way too much documentation, including window stickers, original cars, etc, that confirm what I'm saying. Like I said, that book (and most others) have errors.

And that Fan sticker is a Ford part......

Good luck,
Kurt

Thanks Kurt...

I should have mentioned (I am slow this week!), the best and easiest reference for RPOs is the order form. Not complete, but most of the info is there.

The "C" RPO prefix was only used for body-related heating/ventilation/air conditioning options (C48 less heater, C49 and C50 rear defogger, C60 and C61 air conditioning, etc.). The "G" RPO prefix was only used for axle/suspension-related options (G31/32 springs, G80 and G81 Posi axles, etc.). :thumbsup:

Man i like that car...

My hat is off to Dennis for being man enough to stand up for the car rather than rip on the owner of the car. We could use some more of that around here. I spoke to Randy about his car the last time he had it listed, not as a buyer, but as a fan of the car. He could not have been any nicer and in no way is trying to misrepresent it. He encourages anyone interested in the car to come see it for themselves. If you want it, buy it. If you don't want it, don't buy it. How much more honest can the guy be? Mike

Thanks gents....

We'll see if it goes...the scammer who hacked into my add and represented for a brief time last night might have cost me! He had one of those "BIN" real low prices on it....thanks to you guys...one of you alerted me early this morning to what this guy had done. By then it was cancelled. I reported it to ebay...we'll see what happens. Ebay is getting to be a place for scammers. The high end buyers are skeptical anymore, and frankly I don't blame them.

If I don't sell it on ebay, I'll sell it in person at the Hot Rod Nationals in June at Indy...alot of exposure there. It'll sell better in person anyway.

We'll see what happens.....thanks.

good luck with it, Randy, car is drop dead gorgeous!

good luck with it, Randy, car is drop dead gorgeous!

I will second that! When I see the 375 HP cars I get goose bumps! I had the choice back in 1984 to buy my X33 RS Z28 or an L78 Car...hmmm. Well, I did what I did. Now in regards to what was what, I have tried to assemble as many period photos from books, etc to see what was going on as delivered. No science there, so it would seem that KurtS is right in his assesment(s) based on empirical data from build sheets and factory Doc's. Unfortunately, many of the authoritative books miss it sometimes with errors to varying degrees. Trust but verify as the Gipper said.