http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-camaro-rs-ss-L78-4-spd-best-of-the-best-mint_W0QQitemZ4623606852QQcategoryZ6161QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem Check out this awesome 69 on ebay!! What kind of ruins it is the trim tag.Is it me or is this a repro?Too bad it sticks out so much,takes away from a beautiful car.

Bummer on the tag. Beautiful car otherwise. Wonder what the story on the tag is? I can't imagine someone would spend that much on resto with that tag.

It is deffinately a fake tag. Do those JH letters on the pad look a little bigger than they should be? Another EBAY wonder car.

anyone remember a suposedly numbers matching 396-350 a few weeks ago?
There was a big -----ing match here with the owner cause he wouldn't reveal the vin but did show a clear pic of the motor pad with JH code and partial vin.

Is this the same car? sure looks like it, but it's an L78 this week, and no mention of matching numbers.

there is a lot of time invested in just markings alone,ie x's and paint markings everywhere,tag looks sad had to look for a while to see what you were talking about.still a novice at this since i have had a lot of 69's.looked at 2 69 comaros about 2 years ago and noticed things looked funny on these car's also when i said something to the guy about it,he said they looked fine i then proceded to tell him that the tag on my car was not the same he said that a guy in michigan made both for him about 5 year ago now,upon further conversation he said the government had contacted him about it.i don't know what ever hapened to the cars.these were soooooo obvious.

So call me dumb but I don't see precisely what you guys are talking about. On an aside what is wrong with dumping a buttload of money into a crummy trimmed car?

Does fraud come to mind at all? While cowl tags are not "illegal" to sell, knowingly swapping them to different tags to increase the value is fraud. Either current buyer is getting ripped off and when he finds out he might turn the car and rip the next guy off and so on and so on. Swapping tags is a crappy way to make a few bucks but I wonder if those guys would tell their mother what they are doing? NOT (well some might but they dont belong in the gene pool anyway )

I meant what was they tipoff that it is a fake? Was it the numbers?

I've seen many of these posts over the last year or so about "fake" trim tags. Most people jump right into the discussion about how bad these look, and how obvious they are.

Well, I finally had to go take a look at my firewall to see what it was I was missing. At last, I'm on-board with all the others. It's a nice feeling to be aware of these easy to see give-aways.

thanks for generating my curiousity....

just remember, we never discuss why a tag looks fake, never.
I have no clue how to spot one, and don't want to. If I ever have a need, I have friends who can.

I'm excited. I think I see the problem with the tag. If I'm right, this will be the first one I have figured out. Mike

understood.
I'd never say a word about it on this board.

Someone got very carried away with the chalk.
The little "x" fairy left her mark everywhere. :clonk:

Very nice car. Too bad it is not real, or really no way to tell if it is?

okey dokey, I'll will take your word (or lack thereof) for it. It makes sense. I have been out of the Camaro world for a bit and am trying to edge back in after sending my car away for resto, a non-matching of any sort one for that matter. But, I guess if I am not pimping as what it isn't that is ok.

A good way to learn to spot fake tags is to start gathering pics of known real and known fakes. Once you have a decent collection, start studying them side by side and it'll start coming to you.

Dont worry about it Beesty. I think I was also one of the many that has asked the question when I first started hanging out here. Its just the policy around here to give a (educated) yea or nay, but no more as far as details.

:beers:

dave

Yes, I suppose by pointing out the flaws that would force the *bags doing it to better their technique thus folling more unsuspectings. It is a shame. I imagine, there are people that would buy a nicely decked out originalish car if it was non-numbers matching. But I guess it commands a higher price if it ALL correct. But what about the case when one of the new crate camaros is used to "restore" a body. I guess restoring everything around a VIN and a Trim tag and if lucky a build sheet would be enough... right. Somehow that seems like it would be the same deal.

9N643866 for reference.

Geeeessh, I can't see what your pointing out. The JH looks as good as the MA on my 327/210 and there's no reason to fake that:) It sure looks like a perfect car. I would be surprised if he listed it as a 350hp 396 previousely - I'm a newbie and even I can figure out that don't match with a quick trip to CRG:) While the ad doesn't state numbers matching, it does state orginal motor.

As for the tag, I don't have a clue. The cars I can afford don't need fake tags:(

If this is fake resto, how much would it have cost him? What's a authentic car like this apraised for? Just wondering how much profit potential?

I think I posted a similiar take in a tag debate. With the somewhat easy and convincing ability to fake these cars, you almost have to think they are non orignal until documentation is provided. Especially if it's considered an investment like this car. You can check all the stampings, but it seems that most of these can be faked. It also seems that a very small percentage of people can spot all of these fakes.

As for sharing how to spot them. It's the rock and the hard place problem. Share them and the fakers learn how to make better fakes. Don't share them and the honest people looking to spot a fake can't.

-Dan

You would think that if this guy took all the time to restore or have this car restored, he would take a little bit of time to figure out how to use html in an ebay listing. It's so easy to do and looks so much better than 40 lines of caps with no paragraphs.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a224/sc68z28/camaro3-20-2006001.jpg
Does this tag look real? Bill.

Since I was at the scrap yard today looking for a 8.5" 10 bolt or 12 bolt rear, I looked for the tags on the early 70s camaros that were sitting in the yard. Every popular optioned car was missing it's tag. You could tell which ones they were - the drive train is missing and they had stripes. On the normal Camaros, they were pretty much intact, engine, tranny, etc. Not one first gen part left in the yard!

I did find a 64 Ford Falcon with a 6cyl that looks like it should be sitting in someones garage. Had the keys in the ignition, all the doors, trunk, etc all look pretty good. Too bad it has no paperwork. Not even sure a salvage yard can sell a complete car? VIN is untouched on door and stamped in the fender and other parts. Looked completely orginal. Sucks to see cars like this sitting in a field.

-Dan

Does this tag look real? Bill.

There is no real reason to fake a '68 trim tag as they don't really provide any information beyond color and interior. The tag in the photo is a real '68 trim tag.

There are already 46 bids on this car with 5 days left. And it has already exceeded NADA value of $70,675. Talk about bid shilling.

I like the black vinyl top on a non vinyl coded car. Dead givaway. If your building a car that nice, why would you mess up on a large detail like that. Sweet ride though what ever it really is? There has to be a bunch of money tied up in that car. I bet the owner figured out it was fake and want's to pawn it off? I emailed him about the repoduction tag and about docs. How strange, no reply!

I won't comment on the car but I will say that I bet the car has more than $70,000.00 into it or darn close to it.
This car was probably done by someone that wanted a top notch car and perhaps started with the worng base car.
I don't think there is necessarily shill bidding going on, misrepresentation perhaps but that's not my call. There are just people out there with tons of money looking for a place to put it.

A good way to learn to spot fake tags is to start gathering pics of known real and known fakes. Once you have a decent collection, start studying them side by side and it'll start coming to you.

Dont worry about it Beesty. I think I was also one of the many that has asked the question when I first started hanging out here. Its just the policy around here to give a (educated) yea or nay, but no more as far as details.

:beers:

dave
I understand the reasoning to not divulge how to spot a fake tag, but could someone post a few pics of authentic tags? I think I see why several think this tag is fake.

Here is an example of a legit 67 tag:

http://www.BartonekDragRacing.com/webfilez/zack67camarotag.jpg

She's up to $82,600 with two days to go...

I emailed the seller to let him know about his fake trim tag, this was his response:

"K"

Nice! :rolleyes:

I finally got a response. It was " g " . What is that? He knows he is a crook and has nothing to say. Look at the stupid Q and A stuff. So freekin fake it's sick. Are the X22 cars the most sought after cars? What kinda question is that?

I think the zip tie on the carb linkage looks a little tacky.. I think he should have removed it for the pictures..;)