I was told that this was one of the cars that followed the pace car, with a rare paint code 0-2, white with electric blue stripe on front?

Please check out the 4 pics in this link below

http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?Uc=10b72ark.cw2i5k4&Uy=ibz508&Upost_signin=Slideshow.jsp%3Fmode%3Dfromshare&Ux=0&mode=fromshare&conn_speed=1

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What do mean the cars that followed the pace car? This was made before the pace cars were made.04A is the build dates for the pace cars. Can you post some pictures of the car.

This is/was a pretty nasty little ride..but it doesn't have anything to do with the pacers! It is a special paint, black vinyl roof, Black deluxe, stripe delete, early rat car, I bet!

..."L127E", ...anyone know if this is a fleet code for something? It's a February built car, ...so seems kind of unlikely to have anything to do with the pace cars. ...the L127E does raise some questions though...?

So there WAS a method to the Van Nuys madness on body tags? or is this just a 67 thing?

Doubt its a Pace car, or anything to do with the Indy 500, it's to early and the wrong colors, plus its a coupe.

1 = Chevrolet
2 = Camaro
4 = 8-cylinder engine
37 = coupe body
7 = 1967 model year
L = Los Angeles, CA assembly plant (Van Nuys)

Decode for body number: 016974

02C = Built the Third week of February.
67-12637 = Custom Interior Coupe.
LOS = Built in Van Nuys California.
765 = Custom Black Bucket Seats.
Z = (A50) Strato Bucket Seats.
O-2 = Lower Color is SPECIAL PAINT and the Vinyl Top Color is Black.
N694 = internal plant scheduling code.
Options:
1W = (A02) Tinted W/S only
2L = (M20) 4-speed floor shifter
2G = (D55) Console front compartment
3S = (Z23) Interior Decor group
3L = (Z22) Rally Sport Package
4P = (L48) SS 350 or (L30) 327-275H
5Y = (A39) Belts All Deluxe
-127E = Special Order/Fleet Code

So there WAS a method to the Van Nuys madness on body tags? or is this just a 67 thing?


Believe it or not, I think there was a pretty good method in 1967 for both plants. We just haven't cracked the full meaning yet to the "codes". It is obvious that the system is based on an numeric progression. This is true in both the plants.

Thanks for the replies, When I bought the car I was told that the seller did research and found it to be what I said before about it following the pace car and the paint code was white with the blue stripe, but someone said "stripe delete" was in the code?
So what color is it?
I would like to put it back to the original color.
Is it any more special than a regular RS/SS?
Thanks for the help.

You will have to do the usual work to locate the original color of the special paint. Check everywhere for the evidence it.
The car PROBABLY didn't have a stripe, that is the dash. On the Pace Cars, the dash meant no Black Stripe which was the color for a white car.

The car PROBABLY didn't have a stripe, that is the dash. On the Pace Cars, the dash meant no Black Stripe which was the color for a white car.

The Dash does not mean stripe delete! The dash is always included with the fleet code and really has no meaning. This is just one of those myths from the pace car guys.

Here are the #'s
Vin 124377L142964
Block 7L142964 V0207MT
Trans drivers 3884685 Pass. side 3885010 Tail 3857584GM ????
Rear end PJ0123G

Pics are posted below

http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?&conn_speed=1&collid=79041156608.26657831908.1146265551338&mode=fromsite

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The Dash does not mean stripe delete! The dash is always included with the fleet code and really has no meaning. This is just one of those myths from the pace car guys.


That's funny! I have two different codes,one from Van Nuys and one from Norwood that don't have the dash. I suppose you being the expert can explain that for us . Oh yeah! Too bad about the Policy that doesn't allow you guys to comment. I'm sure I'm not the only one that would like to be educated on this!

What policy?

Regarding the "dash is only for fleet code":

can you take a look at the tag at this eBay auction and comment on the dash w/o fleet code?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4635785010

I would like to know if it is fake.

Regarding the "dash is only for fleet code":

can you take a look at the tag at this eBay auction and comment on the dash w/o fleet code?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4635785010

I would like to know if it is fake.


It not fake!
You just can't believe everything you read. The dash is found on all True Pace Cars, Fleet/COPO codes or not! If the above statement was 100% true and not based on a over all consensus on how to explain the System coding that is found on certain cowl tags then a large number of Pace Cars would not have a dash.
The facts are, that there is no real data on these 1967 codes HELD ANYWHERE!

What policy?

The Policy that holds back some members from giving supporting information to their claims. It's time for it to end!

Here are the #'s
Vin 124377L142964
Block 7L142964 V0207MT
Trans drivers 3884685 Pass. side 3885010 Tail 3857584GM ????
Rear end PJ0123G

Pics are posted below

http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?&conn_speed=1&collid=79041156608.26657831908.1146265551338&mode=fromsite

Thanks


Back to the point! Wow! I would of thought this car may have been an early RAT. Check all the Jamb areas, maybe even under the carpet for any evidence of colors. I know of a hand full of "Truck Orange" Cars that have been found.
Can you post some pictures of the car as it is now?

It not fake!
You just can't believe everything you read. The dash is found on all True Pace Cars, Fleet/COPO codes or not! If the above statement was 100% true and not based on a over all consensus on how to explain the System coding that is found on certain cowl tags then a large number of Pace Cars would not have a dash.
The facts are, that there is no real data on these 1967 codes HELD ANYWHERE!

I agree with you. The car that has been shown in mags and at shows as an SS only pacecar (the giveaway car, I think - Bill & Libby Howards) seems to show "4P - " in the pics that I have, but they are difficult to read.

I would be interested in Daniel's view on this example, for the reasons you have stated.

That's funny! I have two different codes,one from Van Nuys and one from Norwood that don't have the dash. I suppose you being the expert can explain that for us . Oh yeah! Too bad about the Policy that doesn't allow you guys to comment. I'm sure I'm not the only one that would like to be educated on this!

I have never seen a 67 Camaro cowl tag with a fleet code, without a dash. I have seen a 67 Camaro cowl tag from a 6-cyl car that has the dash before the fleet code. How do you explain the dash on the 6-cyl car, if the dash means stripe delete?

I agree with you. The car that has been shown in mags and at shows as an SS only pacecar (the giveaway car, I think - Bill & Libby Howards) seems to show "4P - " in the pics that I have, but they are difficult to read.

I would be interested in Daniel's view on this example, for the reasons you have stated.

Yes, some of the NOR pace cars have only the dash, as do some of the other special order Camaros that were made through the year. All I said was the dash was always there, I did not say that the fleet code had to be.

So does the dash mean pace car or stripe delete or what?, because I have some pics of a regular 67 Rs/SS below, I'm so confused..........

Thanks for all the help.

http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?&mode=fromsite&collid=79041156608.95702151908.1146337747131&conn_speed=1

The dash is always included with the fleet code and really has no meaning. This is just one of those myths from the pace car guys.

I read that to mean the dash must be accompanied by a fleet code, rather than the other way around.

Are you saying that the fleet code is with a dash - and carries little meaning - but not saying that a dash requires a fleet code?

The guy I bought the car from said that he did the research on this paint code, he said he talked with someone at chevy??????????? and said it was white w/ blue stripe.... who knows.....
Here are some pics of the car now, looking for any evidence of another paint and I don't see any.

http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?&mode=fromsite&collid=79041156608.74575251908.1146342294307&conn_speed=1

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Is it my computer ,I cant get the link above to come up?

No, its not your computer....
The link does not work

Kev

...I'm sure some CRG folks have seen this post, ...I'm curious if there are any other cars on record with the same FLEET CODE, ...and what their history is?

Putting all the dash, no-dash issues aside, ...it would seem to me that since this car does have a fleet code, ...it was 'specially' built for "something".
...as others are, ...I'm curious to see pics in current state... :)

Why can I click on it and it works?

So does the dash mean pace car or stripe delete or what?, because I have some pics of a regular 67 Rs/SS below, I'm so confused..........

Thanks for all the help.

http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?&mode=fromsite&collid=79041156608.95702151908.1146337747131&conn_speed=1

The dash does not mean it a Pace Car. The Dash is found on all true Pace Cars.
There is other examples of DASH cars without their common stripes. This is where the idea originated about the dash being a stripe delete. THE FACT IS: NO ONE KNOWS FOR CERTAIN WHAT IT MEANS!

The guy I bought the car from said that he did the research on this paint code, he said he talked with someone at chevy??????????? and said it was white w/ blue stripe.... who knows.....
Here are some pics of the car now, looking for any evidence of another paint and I don't see any.

http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?&mode=fromsite&collid=79041156608.74575251908.1146342294307&conn_speed=1

Thanks


This is probably a common mistake. The tag does have features that are best known to be found on Pace Cars but the guy who sold the car to you needs to go back to Camaro school 101 to make those type claims.:clonk:

I read that to mean the dash must be accompanied by a fleet code, rather than the other way around.

Are you saying that the fleet code is with a dash - and carries little meaning - but not saying that a dash requires a fleet code?


Me too!

KevinK7 is right, what was it built for???

You will never know without paperwork. Could just be a special order because of the color, maybe the dealer ordered a half dozen or so identically equipped cars with a non standard color, could be a fleet ordered car for somebody, like Hertz, who knows.

You will never know without paperwork. Could just be a special order because of the color, maybe the dealer ordered a half dozen or so identically equipped cars with a non standard color, could be a fleet ordered car for somebody, like Hertz, who knows.




Wow! Now that would be something!!! Could you imagine a fleet of these babies waiting to be rented!!:thumbsup:

...since it has a "fleet" code, ...I would have to believe it less likely (if at all) a 'dealer' ordered situation. As the term 'fleet' implies, ...there must be more of them (whatever 'them' are :)), ...just seems odd that there isn't record of at least one other with this fleet code. With the apparent absence of paperwork, ...this could be a mystery for a while.

When you guys figure it all out, let me know the story on the 67 tag:

http://corvettes-musclecars.com/yenko.net/67TrimTag2.jpg

The - number is a "fleet/special order" number it doesn't imply that you had to order a fleet of cars to get that on your tag. In the car above, you certainly wouldn't have had to order a fleet of L78's to get that code, but it does have a special order paint code on it, which would indicate some kind of special order process was used to get the car authorized by GM. The numbers more or less seem to be sequential by date and all LOS fleet numbers have an L infront of them, indicating that GM was accepting these special orders in the central office, approving them, assigning them to a specific plant for building and assigning a sequential number. The letter following the number may be a revision number to the order, or it may have identified the type of order. If its associated with the organization ordering the car, the letter A seems to always be associated with GM itself, but who knows what B and above might mean. Again all speculation at this point, I don't beleive anyone has figured out exactly how it worked.

The term 'fleet code' is misleading. It is the Fleet and Special Order code and it is on this tag because of the special paint. Who knows what the special paint request was without some original paperwork. Original paint color should be somewhere on the car, but can be hard to find on a restored car.

This is/was a pretty nasty little ride..but it doesn't have anything to do with the pacers! It is a special paint, black vinyl roof, Black deluxe, stripe delete, early rat car, I bet!
I agree it is not related to pace cars. But nothing on the tag indicates anything about stripes or BB (orig SB motor backs that up).

Regarding the "dash is only for fleet code":

can you take a look at the tag at this eBay auction and comment on the dash w/o fleet code?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4635785010

I would like to know if it is fake.

How does the guy selling this Pace car on Ebay know that this is the first Pace car ever built? Hope this is not painfully obvious... O-1 means speacial paint with a white convertible top, right?

The pace car on ebay you are refering to is listed in Hooper and Crispino's pace car book and its been known for a number of years now that it has the earliest recorded vin number. This does NOT mean its been verified as the first pace car. It simply has the earliest vin # of the 67 pace cars found to date. Another 67 pace car has an earlier body number and a corresponding fleet code is associated with that particular car. Both of these cars are part of the 43 identically equiped "500 festival committee cars" that served a variety of duties for the 500 committee members at the 1967 race. The other O-1 car on ebay is also a festival car and part of the "brass Hat" VIP group of cars. These cars had a variety of options and were used as transportation for special guests of GM. The 0 in the 67 paint code was the designation for special paint and not exclusive to the Indy pace car. In fact, both C (Ermine White) and the 0 (special paint code) are found on 67 pace cars.

The term 'fleet code' is misleading. It is the Fleet and Special Order code and it is on this tag because of the special paint. Who knows what the special paint request was without some original paperwork. Original paint color should be somewhere on the car, but can be hard to find on a restored car.


I agree it is not related to pace cars. But nothing on the tag indicates anything about stripes or BB (orig SB motor backs that up).

Actually, my post was made before the small block info was posted. Just wishful thinking for another 4P 375 HP car with a Fleet/COPO number.
This car is very close in build to an original owner/paint car that is also another Van Nuys built car that is close to this car's build date. It too carries the 4P code for the early RAT application,a similar Fleet/COPO code and no nose stripe. It's a non Special paint car. Go figure?:waving:

Thread Hijackers

I was told that this was one of the cars that followed the pace car, with a rare paint code 0-2, white with electric blue stripe on front?

Hijacked thread???? Do you have an additional question we have not covered? I dont see any replies not associated with your original question regarding this cowl tag being consistant with that of the 1967 Indy pace car?

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What?

Hey guys what type of oil do you use?

The Policy that holds back some members from giving supporting information to their claims. It's time for it to end!

This is like the pot calling the kettle BLACK. Don't you think?
All of the research groups do this - Especially the one YOU are affilliated with.
Your statement is BS. As well as your claim to know anything about the fleet codes, or the t-tag dash.

The medicine cabinet is above your sink Jeff!

Well then end the mystery -- What do you know?
Like BBP said: "It is time for the secrets to end".

Nothing.......Not sure..... Not confirmed......... yea thats what I thought.


One thing is for sure: Chevrolet didn't just decide to make White and Blue Pace Cars on Feb. 15th, 1967 - you can be sure lots of test cars were made and examined. Colors were debated, and chosen. Much earlier than the first car was ever built.
Maybe this coupe was a test mule for special paint. Maybe not?
But until someone can find another car with the same fleet number. No one will really know for sure.

0-2 PAINT - your picture looks right - leave it the way it is, it can be any color you want.
As far as the dash is concerned, I am starting to believe from MY research, that it simply means "special something'
In other words: a "dash" on the tag, alerted the GM line worker to check the build order - something is different then typical.

Pretty car.

The medicine cabinet is above your sink Jeff!

Looks like you are still taking those: "Think you know it all" pills.

It doesn't matter what parts you put on your cars Pat, if nothing works properly, then they are still just a bunch of broken down heaps.

If your research tells you that the - "special something" was an instruction for the GM line worker to check the build order, please, carry on with this new and exciting deviation from production protocal as we know it. The thought that paint test mules were produced at random is interesting. I'd like to hear more about that when your research is complete. My cars will be at Carlisle. Just follow the trail of parts left laying in the street. I hope someone is around to help me push em :)

None of this stuff is new. That is what is now generally accepted.
Not stripe delete. A special paint order is simple - Don't need to add and delete stripes. Just look and see what is special.
Glad you finally fixed those things up, the next owners were going to be in for a big surprise. :eek:
Hope they don't want to PV 'em.

Sounds to me like you could use an increase in your meds again!

Jeff, What is your problem? Are you looking to be shown the door again? We are all so sick and tired of your half crocked posts it's gotten old!
Get over your anger towards the Pace Car guys and I'm guessing life in general, and try to grow up! I'm sure everyone here knows your track record of on line fights. It actually is quite funny or sad depending on how you look at it. Eitherway! Go away and get a new interest. You turn too much of this hobby into a bore!

I'm going to step in here and ask everyone to tone it down. bigblockpace you have no authority to offer someone the door here and your own comments earlier in this thread about "experts" places you right next to Jeff right now from where I sit.

Cut the crap boys, all we ask is treat each other with respect...

Maybe you Pace Car guys are just so focused in one area you forget about the big picture. You need to get your info straight, before you stand on your soap box and proclaim you are right.

The personal insults are pretty sad. Pretty typical though - When you are wrong, or unsure about the cars you turn to anything you can.

Well it really does not prove your case to toss insults, it just shows how childish you really are.

I guess to you pace car guys, it is either your way or no way.

I have added some verified information, If you listen, maybe you will learn something. Or are you too hard-headed for that.

Yes I watch what is said about pacecars - I have owned Camaros and Pacecars since the 70's, you guys are WRONG on a lot of things. But you don't care because you THINK you are breaking new ground - to bad it is incorrect ground.

OK, any thing constructive to offer? or you just going to insult me again.

The cars are going to be around long after all of us are dead.
It should be about learning as much as we can. Not your silly behavior.
Pretty funny, Guess I hit a nerve.......

Don't think I have disrespected anyone. Just offering my opionin.

And life is GREAT. I couldn't be happier.

And life is GREAT. I couldn't be happier.

I will let everyone know more about this AFTER Hurricane season 2006. :eek:

Jeff after I stepped in nobody needed your lecture... Let it go, everyone move along unless you have something on topic to add to this thread...

I'm going to step in here and ask everyone to tone it down. bigblockpace you have no authority to offer someone the door here and your own comments earlier in this thread about "experts" places you right next to Jeff right now from where I sit.

Cut the crap boys, all we ask is treat each other with respect...


You might want to re-read that! I wasn't offering anyone the door. I was reminding him what has already happened.
However, your comment about ..."Experts.." proves to me how this forum really isn't as open as it should be. I know I'm not the only one that questions their policies.

You might want to re-read that! I wasn't offering anyone the door. I was reminding him what has already happened.
However, your comment about ..."Experts.." proves to me how this forum really isn't as open as it should be. I know I'm not the only one that questions their policies.

I'm not going to argue with you, I'll be glad to show you the door if you plan to continue to disrespect the site and it's very short list of rules...