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: turn a firebird into a camaro?


hannibal_lecter
Oct 17th, 02, 11:05 AM
My 1968 camaro was recently stolen, I can't afford to buy another one, the average price are going for 4 grand for a clunker, and 3000 grand for one without tranny and engine. These prices are just down crazy considering that a brand new honda accord with ac/and automatic is going for 20k out the door. Anyways, I recently came across a 1968 firebird, I never really cared for the front end of the firebird, is it possible to replace the front fenders. grill and hood with 1968 camaro parts? I really like that black out rs look

Thanks in advance

the firebird is going for a 1000 running

ORENCH
Oct 17th, 02, 12:19 PM
The radiator support has to go, but ask "Geezer", he got to have the correct answers for you.

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Geezer
Oct 17th, 02, 12:30 PM
Use a complete Camaro front clip, engine and front light wiring harnesses. Itíll bolt up and plug in.Donít forget the cowl.

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Geezer

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hannibal_lecter
Oct 17th, 02, 12:43 PM
Are you guys saying that I have to basically hack off the entire front end of the firebird in order to put a camaro hood and fenders?

Geezer
Oct 17th, 02, 01:08 PM
You donít have to hack anything, The sheet metal will all bolt up but the only thing reusable would be the radiator support. You could reuse the fenders if you cut sidelight holes in them but the extensions are different and so are the inner wells.
Check this one out. http://adcache.collectorcartraderonline.com/10/9/0/34035990.htm


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Geezer

teSSa
Oct 17th, 02, 01:31 PM
you'll have a Cambird http://www.camaros.net/forum/biggrin.gif

mebe_epp
Oct 17th, 02, 01:32 PM
I saw this thread at work today , this is something I am going to do to a 67 soon the camaro body's are getting to high even in JUNK form , but people have not realized the potenial here with a firebird , I am going to find me a 67 firebird hull and make a camaro out of it , I am even going to change the tailpan , when finished a car like this would be great fun , you could fix it any way you want , !!

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69 camaro traded for 67 camaro traded back for 69 now back with a 67 rs WILL IT NEVER END ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
I HOPE NOT .
ADVENTURE'S IN RUST REPAIR

hannibal_lecter
Oct 17th, 02, 02:40 PM
Ok maybe I'm missing the boat here. But, I don't think we are on the same page.

Here what I plan to do, tell me where I'm wrong.

1 I'm going to take off the fenders and the hood and front grill. leaving everything else on there engine, radiator, and wheel well.

2. bolt on the camaro fenders and front grill, and put the hood back on.

is there something missing here? I don't have to change the wheel well and all that do I?


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mebe_epp
Oct 17th, 02, 02:50 PM
hannibal YOU GOT IT RIGHT !!!!!
the body hull of a firebird and camaro are identical !! you can unbolt the firebird fender's , and hood , bolt camaro stuff back on and GO!!! , the cowl vent panel under the wiper's is different too ,


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69 camaro traded for 67 camaro traded back for 69 now back with a 67 rs WILL IT NEVER END ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
I HOPE NOT .
ADVENTURE'S IN RUST REPAIR

Winch
Oct 18th, 02, 03:17 AM
What will it be titled as? Any problems in that area or with insurance company? Just something to think about.

MARTINSR
Oct 18th, 02, 04:11 AM
Am I missing something here? Yes the sheet metal will bolt on to the Firebird body but the "Bird" has different quarter panels and rear body panel.

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1965 Buick Skylark Gran Sport Convertible
1965 Buick Skylark H/T
1948 Chevy pickup, chopped and sectioned.

"Fan of most anything that moves human beings"

Geezer
Oct 18th, 02, 04:31 AM
Sorry I was a little brief but it was quitting timeÖ What it will take is; replacing the cowl, hood, header panel, lower valance, fender extensions, r$ headlight switch, vacuum canister, hoses and fittings, bumper and brackets, grill, two complete r$ headlight assemblies, parking lights, window washer nozzles and the hood latch assembly and support. The inner fenders can be used but they are cut off in the front to clear the bird bumper brackets. The light harness could be reworked and the fenders could be reworked but it would be a pain to put the bumper bracket notches in them where the fender extension meets. You would also have to weld r$ head light adaptors in and cut sidelight holes.

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Geezer

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Geezer
Oct 18th, 02, 04:38 AM
If you change the front end, replace the taillight panel, cut the rear roll pan and install backup lights, and fill the louvers and change the rear bumper it will look like a Camaro.

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Geezer

67rsmoneypit
Oct 18th, 02, 05:54 AM
frankenchicken http://www.camaros.net/forum/eek.gif it's alive!!!

Mark C
Oct 18th, 02, 07:41 AM
It will be registered as a Firebird since it will be carrying a firebird VIN along with a Firebird Trim Tag.

You can do it but don't think your ever going to be able to sell it for anything more than the price of a parts car. People that want Firebird's don't want Camaro trim hanging off it and those that want a Camaro, don't want to find a Firebird VIN in their car.

Don't waste your time or money. My .02 cents.


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Mark Canning
1969 Indy Pace Car
350/300HP RPO Z11
My 69 L48 - 350/300HP Engine (http://www.townisp.com/~markcanning/camaro/transparent%20air%20cleaner3.jpg)

djunod
Oct 18th, 02, 07:59 AM
It's his car... but I agree...

There just aren't enough Firebirds out there. What you should do is make it into a Trans-Am clone. It will the 1 and only 1968 Trans-Am. Paint it white, with the blue stripe. Maybe even paint a blue scream'n chick'n on the hood.

You'll have an easier time selling it when you get tired of it.

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David
Camaro - '68 327 Coupe (http://makoshark2.com/djunod/cars/68camaro.htm), '86 Z-28 IROC 305 TPI (http://makoshark2.com/djunod/cars/86iroc.htm)
Corvette - '73 Mako Shark II (http://makoshark2.com/djunod/), '82 Cross-fire (http://makoshark2.com/djunod/cars/82vette.htm), '01 Coupe (http://makoshark2.com/djunod/cars/01vette.htm)

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jackr
Oct 18th, 02, 09:44 AM
This is an interesting topic as I know of two firebird to camaro transformations (morphs) going on right now. One is a coupe, the other is a convertible.

mebe_epp
Oct 18th, 02, 12:07 PM
OK so that we keep this straight ,,,,
this firebird to camaro thing is a great idea for a fun car to put a big cammed up motor in play with it on saturday night and bassicaly have a blast with it ,,
the work will not be dificult , let's see the tail pan , the 1/4's are different one set of camaro skin's will cure this , if you buy a project camaro it would need 1/4 skin's anyway , the front just bolt's up , and walla ! a camaro for half price or less , but now I don't support anyone who would try to pass this of as a real camaro ,
realy this is no different than the many thousand 12337 six banger camaro's sitting in people's carport's and garage's dressed up like Z/28's and RS/SS 396 375's ,,,,,,,

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69 camaro traded for 67 camaro traded back for 69 now back with a 67 rs WILL IT NEVER END ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
I HOPE NOT .
ADVENTURE'S IN RUST REPAIR

MARTINSR
Oct 18th, 02, 03:44 PM
Ok, my BOP side is coming out here. (Buick Olds Pontiac for you full time Chevy heads).

Just build a Firebird, Camaros are not the only car that is desirable. If you have never been in a big block four speed Bird, you don't know what you are missing!

The 69 Trans Am clone is the best idea, that is one great looking car.

You won't be ran off the Camaro site if you have a Firebird. Lets face it, it IS Gm it's not like it was a Honda or something. http://www.camaros.net/forum/smile.gif

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1965 Buick Skylark Gran Sport Convertible
1965 Buick Skylark H/T
1948 Chevy pickup, chopped and sectioned.

"Fan of most anything that moves human beings"

Mark C
Oct 18th, 02, 04:41 PM
so let's put this in perspective. you pick up some cheap Firebird and decide to make it into a Camaro. What is cheap $1500?
Now you need tail panel ($100), two quarters ($500 apiece), two door skins ($150 a piece), two front fenders ($200 a piece), Hood, ZL2 of course ($450), new grille and headlight assemblies lets make it an RS ($1000), front and rear bumpers ($300), miscellaneous chrome trim pieces and emblems ($350), complete new interior ($1000) new dash including metal frame ($1000), dash pad ($150).

Body work and paint to install all this stuff (5,000).

Nice set of stock Rally wheels, trim rings center caps and Radial T/A,s ($1200)

Now find a Chevy motor and transmission ($3000).

What do we have, a hybrid Firebird you sunk atleast 18K into that is worth nothing to a someone wanting a Firebird, and nothing to someone looking for a Camaro. You may like it and may be the coolest thing in the world, but at some point investment and return on investment has to come into play.

There is no such thing as a cheap way out in this hobby. I know I've put more money and time into my car over the past 20 years than I could hope to recoup should I want to sell it, but I wouldn't take the bath something like this would bring on its owner.

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Mark Canning
1969 Indy Pace Car
350/300HP RPO Z11
My 69 L48 - 350/300HP Engine (http://www.townisp.com/~markcanning/camaro/transparent%20air%20cleaner3.jpg)

Infamous
Oct 18th, 02, 05:36 PM
I know this is a Camaro site, but the Firebird is it's F-Body counterpart, so I think some defense of this classic is in order. Please don't hack up that poor Firebird, those cars deserve to be revered just as much as the Camaro's are. They both came into this world together. You may not like the look of them stock, but do a Pro-Touring version of one and you'll have yourself an absolute head-turner.

C'mon man....give it up for the 'Bird. That car deserves to keep it's identity. Let someone that will appreciate it for what it is buy it. Save your money if you don't have enough for the Chevrolet.

djunod
Oct 19th, 02, 03:13 AM
Hey, I love Firebirds too. I love the front end on those things. The Lemans (I think) has a similar front end as well.

I would love to have a '70 Trans-Am, white with blue stripe! One of the most beautiful cars there are.


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David
Camaro - '68 327 Coupe (http://makoshark2.com/djunod/cars/68camaro.htm), '86 Z-28 IROC 305 TPI (http://makoshark2.com/djunod/cars/86iroc.htm)
Corvette - '73 Mako Shark II (http://makoshark2.com/djunod/), '82 Cross-fire (http://makoshark2.com/djunod/cars/82vette.htm), '01 Coupe (http://makoshark2.com/djunod/cars/01vette.htm)

ruquikr
Oct 19th, 02, 04:53 AM
I agree with Infamous. And don't forget that in MCR's fastest 'stock' musclecar shootout (1997 article I think), the 1968 Firebird 400 was the fastest musclecar.
It certainly deserves its due as a resoration in its own right, and it will be worth a lot more when its done that way.

jackr
Oct 19th, 02, 06:30 PM
69 Trans-am, what a car. I see a real nice 69 TA every now and then. I am thinking about a TA clone now. HMMMMMMM.

RickD
Oct 20th, 02, 12:50 PM
I like Firebirds, also, and would fix it up as a nice 'bird. The TransAm idea is a good one.

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Rick Dorion
69 RS Conv,355,Autogear M22,4.10's and I don't worry about stone chips ( yet ).

ponpow
Oct 20th, 02, 07:41 PM
Hey guys,
Big Pontiac fan here. So you know my feelings on the matter, but I just thought some of you may want to see a '67 Bird made up into a Trans Am. This one isn't into the pro-touring look, but it could look very nice with some pro-touring mods done. Here's the address: http://www.firebirdgallery.com/1st%20Gen%20Images/67fb16.4.jpg. Keep it the way it is, there are already to many people passing clones off as the real thing. I know that is not your intent, but people may see it that way if they don't know better. Good Luck to you in whatever you decide to do.
Patrick Byrne

ponpow
Oct 20th, 02, 07:44 PM
Hey guys,
Big Pontiac fan here. So you know my feelings on the matter, but I just thought some of you may want to see a '67 Bird made up into a Trans Am. This one isn't into the pro-touring look, but it could look very nice with some pro-touring mods done. Here's the address: http://www.firebirdgallery.com/1st%20Gen%20Images/67fb16.4.jpg. Keep it the way it is, there are already to many people passing clones off as the real thing. I know that is not your intent, but people may see it that way if they don't know better. Good Luck to you in whatever you decide to do.
Patrick Byrne

ponpow
Oct 20th, 02, 07:47 PM
Try this one: http://www.firebirdgallery.com/67lot1.htm, it is about 2/3's down the page.

ponpow
Oct 20th, 02, 07:50 PM
Alright, I'm having no luck here, here is the website www.firebirdgallery.com (http://www.firebirdgallery.com) . Go to the 67-69 page, then '67 page one, about two thirds down there is the '67 converted to a Trans Am. Sorry for all the wasteful posting.
Patrick Byrne

camaro joel
Oct 20th, 02, 08:23 PM
HAY GUESS WHAT THE FENDERS ARE THE SAME AS IS THE RADIATOR SUPPORT AND INNER FENDER WELLS TOO!!!! WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS THIS, TAKE THE BRACKETS OFF THE CORE SUPPORT THAT IS CONNECTED TO THE FENDER ,CHANGE THE COWL PANEL BEHINE THE HOOD ADD A CAMARO HOOD HEADER PANEL, LOWER VALANCE,GRILL HEADLIGHT BUCKETS RS OR STANDARD, GRILLE AND THE FRONT BUBPER AND BRACKETS. YOUR DONE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MODIFING THE HEADLIGT HARNESS

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restoration specialist joel

lola68rag
Oct 21st, 02, 04:15 AM
I wouldn't do it. Firebirds are beautiful.


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Tybor Cook
68 convertible
70 cutlass supreme conv.

MARTINSR
Oct 21st, 02, 04:35 AM
I think that Trans Am is so cool you guys should convert your Camaros to Firebirds!! http://www.camaros.net/forum/smile.gif

(The wheels have got to go though)

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1965 Buick Skylark Gran Sport Convertible
1965 Buick Skylark H/T
1948 Chevy pickup, chopped and sectioned.

"Fan of most anything that moves human beings"

ORENCH
Oct 21st, 02, 12:53 PM
I like the look of 67/68s Firebirds a lot. In fact that was the car I started looking for. Then I got tired of looking around for one and luckily bought my Camaro. I would like to know if the production numbers were something like the Camaro's cause I can't seem to find them even at car shows here. I fell in love with that body style when I was a youngster, at that time there were some of them around town but now, "nada".

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Our affair with Camaros is a live sentence without the possibility of parole. www.geocities.com/c68ss (http://www.geocities.com/c68ss) http://home.coqui.net/borench

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Stone_Henge
Oct 21st, 02, 02:31 PM
I agree with Mark totally... I cant Imagine this car bringing anything close to money that you will spend (Bad Ideal in my opinion)Your better off in the long run to save up for that camaro and spend money there ..or restore the firebird in its origial appearance.