Is it worth buying tubular control arms?

do the free guldstrand mod and save 600 bucks..does the same thing

what mod is that?? i just bought ones with new bushings and paint for 75

wow you bought tubulars for 75...what brand...here is the mod..call guldstrand motorsports and they send you a mag and theyre free templet very easy lot of people here have done it including me
http://www.pozziracing.com/first_gen_suspension_geome.htm#Geometry%20discussi on
and here is JimM site..i used it as reading when i did it too..also talked to him a ton about it since i am 19 i was kinda scared to cut and do this but it was very easy and i did it in about 30 minutes..hope he doesnt mind using it
http://home.comcast.net/~Jimragtop/earlymods.htm

for a better look at the g/s mod, and also a ownloadable template, try this link:
http://www.pozziracing.com

no they are stock ones but you say its easy to do the mod? DOes anyone agree?? how should it be welded?

no dont weld...just drill the 2 new holes for the upper arm using the idiot proof templet

it relocates the downward a lottle almost and inch...and rearward a little...

is it not tubular then?

Tubulars give you more of the positive caster that you need for good handling. The Guldstrand mod give better camber gain, one thing tubular UCAs will not do.

whats camber do for you?? and if i understand correctly the guldstrand mods repositions the control arms?

yes exactly

The Guldstrand mod increases camber gain, when the car leans in a turn, the tire will not lean out as it does with stock geometry.

More positive caster from tubular upper arms can eleminate the tire leaning out when turning sharply. Steering effort will increase, but if you have power steering it won't matter.

Park your Camaro on level ground and turn the wheels to the right to full lock, the left front tire will lean outward, (positive camber) by about 4 degrees.

In general, more neg camber gain via the Guldstrand mod will help most on large sweeper type corners, generally high speed turns. The tubular upper arms will allow 5 degrees positive caster which isn't achieveable with stock arms. This large amount of caster tends to help most when the wheels are turned very sharply, like at an autocross, but it does help a bit on large radius turns a bit.

Not all tubular uppers have added caster built into them. I know GW, DSE and ST do. The rest I would not bet on it.

Dave, the G-mod increases roll center too, correct?

It raises roll center.

Randy

That is what I thought. I'm learning.