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hammers7 May 18th, 06, 06:34 AM I'm about ready to paint my 1969 Camaro with bc/cc and went to my local PPG dealer. We searched the cpu for color 51 (dusk blue) which gave us PPG color 2075 but it does not come in DBC, only DBU (which the dealer does NOT recommend using). Is there anyone out there that painted their car dusk blue DBC? The dealer said he would be willing to take an electronic reading with a device called the 'Profit' and custom make dusk blue in DBC. Is this possible? What are your suggestions? Thank you in advance for any help.
ldrisner May 18th, 06, 07:32 AM Let him shoot it with the gun, it should get you what.
hammers7 May 18th, 06, 12:13 PM Thanks Idrisner, I'll give it a 'shot'.
together May 18th, 06, 03:40 PM I wonder why he does not recommend using DBU. I have used it in the past and did not have any problems with it. Just curious.
badboy May 18th, 06, 06:56 PM My 69 camaro is done in DBU dusk blue
It sprayed out nice and looks great
I can email you picks if needed
Good luck
BelAirBob May 18th, 06, 07:02 PM Is DBU higher cost than DBC? Maybe he does not like the profit margin on the DBC. I've also used DBC, and its fine. Prettiest darned 67' Madeira Maroon paint job you've ever seen.
sevt_chevelle May 18th, 06, 09:26 PM DBC is a higher grade of basecoat then DBU, basically DBC is the new and improved.
The main diffference in DBU and DBC is that DBU uses a reducer that harderns the paint. So you only mix up what you intend to spray.
DBU is a good basecoat.
The "Gun" will get you close, not a perfect match. You might get close enough to do a blend but not a butt match. The gun will pick out the next closest color out of its library. You WONT get a dead on match with any type of gun...Eric
hammers7 May 19th, 06, 06:29 AM Thanks for the information everyone.
Eric, if you were me, a novice painter, would you use the DBU 2075 (which is a color match to dusk blue 51) or would you go with the DBC. It seems my supplier thinks it will be easier for me to work with and to paint the DBC. Is there really a difference? Thanks, Greg
Buck May 19th, 06, 06:44 AM Here is how I see it, but I'm defanately no expert and can't find my datasheet for DBC right now. I believe that DBU is a basecoat/clearcoat system where as DBU doesn't require clear but can be cleared. I need to find the datasheet. You might want to ask to the guy.
67 Plum May 19th, 06, 07:45 AM Buck is correct the DBU is a single stage urethane paint that doesnt require a clear coat.But you can clear coat so you can sand and buff it.DBC is a base coat clear coat only system.
sevt_chevelle May 20th, 06, 07:15 PM DBU is a BASECOAT system that NEEDS clearcoat.
DCC is the single stage paint that needs no clear.
Not knowing what color excatly dusk blue is, but if its a high metallic color then DBU can be more challenaging then DBC. But if its a soild color then DBU is just fine.
Metallics in DBU can be a tad harder to spray then the same color in DBC.
Any clearcoat can work with DBC and DBU.
Taking from the PPG site.
Deltron ä Refinish Systems
Deltron Product Bulletin Index
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PPG's Deltron Basecoat line offers a choice of two systems to meet the stringent demands for quality, color match and productivity of collision refinish professionals:
DELTRON 2000 DBC basecoat
Deltron 2000 DBC is PPG's 2nd generation basecoat resin technology developed especially to deliver exacting color matches on the more sophisticated metallic finishes now offered on today's luxury import and domestic vehicles. Metallic control with DBC is superb so it sprays smooth and dries to a thin film build with minimal shrinkage and no orange peel. A wide range of clear coat choices are available in order to deliver a luxurious deep gloss under a variety of operational conditions.
DBU Universal basecoat
When Deltron DBU basecoat was introduced in North America in 1984 the system set the standard for quality, color match and ease of use. Soon it became the world's number one best-selling basecoat.
DBU's pigmentation is especially formulated to provide superior colormatch on domestic vehicle solid color and metallic finishes. As a catalyzed basecoat, DBU offers excellent repairability. By offering a wide choice of clearcoats the DBU system is compatible for use in a variety of working environments - from small shops with air-dry paint operations to high-volume production shops with downdraft baking booths.
Concept 2K Urethane (DCC)
Concept Acylic Urethane is a direct gloss, 2-component refinish system that delivers exceptional gloss and color match for today's sophisticated finishes. It is available in conventional single-stage solid and metallic colors and can be applied over all properly-prepared OEM finishes, and cured, air-dried finishes. Concept CLV is a 3.5 VOC direct gloss system that meets high quality demands in VOC-regulated environments. It meets or exceeds OEM warranty requirements and is part of the PPG Lifetime Guarantee program.
hammers7 May 25th, 06, 10:53 AM Eric, thanks for the info. I had my paint dealer use the prophet gun 'shooting' under the trunk lid, as it is the original paint and non-faded. He then used the formula and mixed up DBC for me. The dealer, like you, said it is a metallic color and will be easier to spray as DBC than DBU. Thanks for the help.
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