http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-Conv_W0QQitemZ4653573715

Check it out.

That just brought a tear to my eye, good grief.........:sad:

WOW. Do you think that is even worth the near $1000 bid it's at?

I dont know about you guys, but that's way beyond what I would ever look to tackle.

You're buying a vin tag for that new 69 Camaro reproduction body. I can't imagine what it would cost to try to bring that car back.

who all think's tony and i can have that spik n span in 2 months??

tho I think i once read that a ZL-1 was in a fire. The race one of Fred Gibb/Dick H. -----maybe Im wrong on that though. sure someone here can verify.

Buy the crispy critter, a Dynacorn body, and build a new car. All you need is the Vin, and trim tag, con-vin and your in business.

ZL1 #1 was involved in a trailer fire over 10 years ago. Mostly superficial damage, quickly repaired.

I believe that car could be saved no problem and for more little money than alot speculate.

WOW. Do you think that is even worth the near $1000 bid it's at?

Absolutely NOT.
Cars like that are what the new Dynacorn shells are made for.
:thumbsup:

Scrap it.

I like the following snippet from the auctions Vehicle Description "The frame is solid and would make a great restoration project for the low budget enthusiast." Nothing could be further from the truth if you are going to restore that vehicle.

a little body filler and that car will be ready for the street. lol.

I hate to see camaros go, but that one is done, well done.

Buy the crispy critter, a Dynacorn body, and build a new car. All you need is the Vin, and trim tag, con-vin and your in business.

Have to agree. If the guy does it right the title won't even have to be reconstructed or kit car. Not only do you get the VIN and Title, but a front subframe set up for disc brakes, a rear end, an engine, and several other small component. It's all been nicely baked clean for you too!

Truthfully I did bid on it. :) but ony up to $300.00 Looks like all the other bidders are new to Ebay. I hope they know what they are doing. I think it could be saved, but it would be big$$$$$$$$$money to save it.

Well that sure is the epitamy of a "fixer upper"

time to call in chip foose and the overhaulin crew......:rolleyes:

thanks for verifying - I knew I read that a ZL -1 had been in a fire.

This ebay thing is destroyed. Can you imagine the look on your wifes/GF's face if you dragged that thing home? not to mention what the neighbours would think f you set it up on the front drive?!

none of the parts are usable

a fire that was that hot has ruined all the physical properties the metal pieces (even the top bows) USED to have

that car has only ONE use, a VIN for a repro body, assuming the vin didn't disappear or was rusted beyond belief

the shop already has a 69 Camaro, the seller knows it is scrap

the bidders must ONLY be bidding for a convertible VIN

I would alert the authorities once this is sold to be sure the VIN isn't jacked up and put on another car which is HIGHLY ILLEGAL

(read the Hemming muscle Car issue this month for more info)

Truthfully I did bid on it. :) but ony up to $300.00 Looks like all the other bidders are new to Ebay. I hope they know what they are doing. I think it could be saved, but it would be big$$$$$$$$$money to save it.


Most likely shill bidders ???

I agree on the highly illegal comment about the VIN...

I wonder how common that is getting?

Didn't look to me like there was even a SINGLE usable part on the car. ALL of the metal is heat warped and is literally toast!! I hate to see a dead Camaro, but may that one RIP!!:sad:

The VIN could go onto the new dynacorn body. The body is a replacement part, and the VIN plate is not being swapped to another car that already had a VIN. Things like this happen every single day in collision shops around the country. I live right near a True2From collision shop and have seen them change entire front clips of cars, legally. If you were to affix the VIN to something else, that had a VIN assigned to it, it would be different. But you aren't. You are putting the VIN onto a non-stolen, legally purchased replacement part.

A big thing with the laws is ownership and intent. If you are restoring the car, there is no deception or fraud involved.

If there is a clear title to the car, and the owner decides to put his vin onto the new replacement body, I don't think there is any issue there except ethics. The dynacorn body is NOT a car. It's a replacement part. No different than changing out your dash top steel or 1/4's or frame rails or using another car's subframe, or whatever.

124679N645260 if need to be written down as toast.

come on and bid $1500 :)

Truthfully I did bid on it. :) but ony up to $300.00 Looks like all the other bidders are new to Ebay. I hope they know what they are doing. I think it could be saved, but it would be big$$$$$$$$$money to save it.

CAMARO ETHICS 101

so these dyanacorn bodies...you can't buy one of those and build it up and register it WITHOUT a real camaro VIN to attach to it? or maybe you could register it as something like a kit car , or something homebuilt?

Okay how bout this - what if the VIN was for something extremely rare and valuable. Lets say it was the VIN for a particularly desireable COPO car. What if the COPO was burned or wrecked or whatever. Guy buys VIN for $$$ and puts it on a Dynacorn body and restores it right perfect?

Kinda sketchy to me. I wouldnt buy it and pay the same as the real COPO - I would expect a HUGE premium off the price of that car as compared to what I would pay had it been as it rolled of the assembly line.

You can only get so far with the 'replacement part' argument - with me anyway. what do y'all think?

That car can NOT be saved by anyone, no way, no how. As mentioned above the metal/steel is all ruined, I would be shocked if the VIN plate even survived. There is a huge difference between a car that has some rust, or been in a severe crash and one that has been put through a forge. Look closely at the pictures and you can see all the metal has been "re-aranged". There is no "panel" replacements that will fix this car. The only option is a repo body but, even at that you will still need all new parts, you might as well start off with a bare shell and build with all new parts. I doubt other than maybe a few bolts anything else on that car is usable. It's a conversation piece at this point and nothing more. I sure hope the sap that wins it knows what he's getting into. That car isn't worth the shipping fees alone. I have been known to take/buy some real junkers but, I wouldn't take that car for FREE.

I have to agree. It's sad to see the car gone - but I wouldnt take that heap for free either.

Agreed with most here, the steel is toast, too soft now. Title would be a salvage title, legally.

Throw the girl a rose and give her your blessings, RIP.

Hey honey....look at the cool flower pot I got for the yard....

I forsee someone buying it, parting it out after blasting all tha parts, and selling them to unsuspection buyers.

I forsee someone buying it, parting it out after blasting all tha parts, and selling them to unsuspection buyers.
Only problem is there would be nothing left to except scrap. The metal is so soft if it were blasted with styrofoam balls, it would crumble.

Wow, that car reminds me of the 1979 Caprice I once owned. The cat. converter clogged up as I was driving it. The car burned to the ground. The tires melted to the rims and the glass blew out. Luckily the gas tank did not explode. A friend of mine and his girlfriend at the time noticed the car starting to smoke. Thank God I was able to pull over right away and traffic was not obstructed. Everyone was ok. GM cars were notorious for bad cat's on them during the 1970's and into the mid 1980's.

Man I thought my caprice looked bad, this car is 100 times worse.

I had a burned car (not as bad as this one, but pretty bad) I sold to a guy who replaced the roof, doors, quarters and trunklid, put it on a tube chassis and raced it. But the rockers and frame rails were PERFECT on that car (no sign of ANY heat/rust, so it was straight still (or at least somewhat). I bet that could be a solution here...but I wouldn't bother

I was just thinking - With the value of these cars , I wonder if someone took a match to it for the insurance pay out? Totally a possibility.

I believe that car could be saved no problem and for more little money than alot speculate.


WHAT:eek:

poor thing look at the specs it says 2 or more doors?

The VIN could go onto the new dynacorn body. The body is a replacement part, and the VIN plate is not being swapped to another car that already had a VIN. Things like this happen every single day in collision shops around the country. I live right near a True2From collision shop and have seen them change entire front clips of cars, legally. If you were to affix the VIN to something else, that had a VIN assigned to it, it would be different. But you aren't. You are putting the VIN onto a non-stolen, legally purchased replacement part.

A big thing with the laws is ownership and intent. If you are restoring the car, there is no deception or fraud involved.

If there is a clear title to the car, and the owner decides to put his vin onto the new replacement body, I don't think there is any issue there except ethics. The dynacorn body is NOT a car. It's a replacement part. No different than changing out your dash top steel or 1/4's or frame rails or using another car's subframe, or whatever.
I've been itching to bring this up, and this statement opens the perfect door....I'm waiting for someone to stick a Ford or whatever make vin #(tag) to a new Dynacorn "Camaro" body. I agree that it's just a "part", so ....put a DZ in it and a Boss 302 vin and.....!!!

It'll buff out.....!!!

Rut :cool:

CAMARO ETHICS 101

so these dyanacorn bodies...you can't buy one of those and build it up and register it WITHOUT a real camaro VIN to attach to it? or maybe you could register it as something like a kit car , or something homebuilt?

Okay how bout this - what if the VIN was for something extremely rare and valuable. Lets say it was the VIN for a particularly desireable COPO car. What if the COPO was burned or wrecked or whatever. Guy buys VIN for $$$ and puts it on a Dynacorn body and restores it right perfect?

Kinda sketchy to me. I wouldnt buy it and pay the same as the real COPO - I would expect a HUGE premium off the price of that car as compared to what I would pay had it been as it rolled of the assembly line.

You can only get so far with the 'replacement part' argument - with me anyway. what do y'all think?i see nothing wrong with building a copo out of the dynacorn body, and using the coco tags....AS LONG AS IT IS NEVER CLAIMED TO BE AN ORIGINAL.......

i see nothing wrong with building a copo out of the dynacorn body, and using the coco tags....AS LONG AS IT IS NEVER CLAIMED TO BE AN ORIGINAL.......


If you are not going to try & defraud someone into thinking it is an original COPO, why go to the trouble of getting a COPO cowl tag & VIN plate? Just build it to the COPO's specs, use a standard VIN plate & cowl tag, then there won't be any question if it is original or not!

i'd be cool if they hAD A PICTURE of what i looked like before the fire

AMEN!! purple69ss I agree 100% There is only one reason to "tag" a car and that is for fraud. Wether it is fraud to make money or a fraud to fool judges at car shows, it's still a fraud.

For the people that say the "complete" body is a part, that is true but, not to the extent most try to claim. I have an original lug nut off a Yenko, should I buy the rest of the parts including a "tag" and "rebuild" the Yenko around the lug nut? What's the difference? Once a car is this far gone the VIN and tag should die along with the car.

AMEN!! purple69ss I agree 100% There is only one reason to "tag" a car and that is for fraud. Wether it is fraud to make money or a fraud to fool judges at car shows, it's still a fraud.

For the people that say the "complete" body is a part, that is true but, not to the extent most try to claim. I have an original lug nut off a Yenko, should I buy the rest of the parts including a "tag" and "rebuild" the Yenko around the lug nut? What's the difference? Once a car is this far gone the VIN and tag should die along with the car.

Are you planning on Ebay'n that lug nut? LMAO.

Great analogy by the way.

Auction just ended @ 2063.50. WOW.