Does anyone know the correct width and spacing for the rear (deck lid) stripes on the 69 Z28

Weaver,

The dimensions are in the assembly manual. Look closely at the coupe
measurements as most cars aren't painted per the factory specs. the most
common error is that the stripe is painted 5/8" from the rear window moulding which the drawings show to be 5.20". Hope this helps. If you don't have an assembly manual I can send you a copy of the pages. Billy

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=11686

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=75576

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=58749

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=11686

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=75576

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=58749

I think Mark's trying to say...Always try to do a search for what you're looking for before asking. If you read it all, and still have specific questions please do ask. Welcome to TC btw!

I don't have access to the manual that you refer to,I figured someone on this site would know

2 things people make the biggest mistake on when applying the stripes that at least I notice are. They make the smaller pinstripe 1/4" instead of 5/16" from the larger, and they don't move or adjust the rear stripe to cover the Camaro emblem. The emblem should be completely inside the main stripe. The template is a good idea. You may have to move the emblem is way off.

I understand that a template would help,the reason I ask this question is that I have a 69 x77 Z28,someone questioned me about the rear stripes,I had always thought they were correct in width and spacing,but I am not an expert so I thought I would try to do some research.The stripes on the rear of my car are wider and spaced more than the front stripes.

They should be wider than the front. I will try to get some measurements for you. Tried to get some measurements and thats pretty hard. The front is tapered slight towards the front. Approx 13" down to 12.75. The rear looks to be around 14". The big difference is the distance between the rear stipes is alot wider than the front. Alot of people use the same width (front and back) and it just doesn't look right. Again the small stripe with is .25 but the seperation between the stripes is .38. The distance between my rear main stripe is approx 16.75 by window and 16.5 by spoiler. This is between the wide stripe, not the pinstripe. It is only an approx as I didn't want to lay a ruler on the car. The front is approx 9.75 by cowl and 9.5 in front. Hopes this helps, I'm confused.

Weaver,

The dimensions are in the assembly manual. Look closely at the coupe
measurements as most cars aren't painted per the factory specs. the most
common error is that the stripe is painted 5/8" from the rear window moulding which the drawings show to be 5.20". Hope this helps. If you don't have an assembly manual I can send you a copy of the pages. Billy

That "View A" dimension in the assembly manual is incorrect; known-original Z/28's have the front edge of the stripes 5/8" from the lower reveal molding. :thumbsup:

Maybe the 5.20" dimension is for vinyl top cars?

dave

I'm looking at a picture of my brothers brand new 69 Z28 he bought from the dealer in 69 and the stripe are what look to be very close to the window trim. He also ordered it with an SS hood. Never seen another one like it

JohnZ,
What makes you think the assembly manual is wrong? Not trying to
be a know it all but what reference do you have that the factory
assembly manual is incorrect? Billy

The 5.20 inch measurement is a leftover from the 67/68 model year. All 69 Z28 and Z10/Z11 stripes end 5/8" from either the rear window chrome, vinyl top chrome, or convertible pinchweld molding.

I looked at the drawing again in the assembly manual, the drawing is definetely of a 69 not a 68. It is dated 4-29. I had the stripes on my Z painted like the drawing after talking to Jim @ Classic Automotive Restorations
in NC, the same company that makes the convertible repos.
Billy

There are plenty of original paint 69 Z/PCs out there as examples. I have yet to see one that wasnt with the 5/8" dimension.

dave

Again ,can you verify that the stripes were factory or dealer painted as we all know a large percentage of the spoilers and stripes were put on & painted by the dealers? Why shouldn't we go by the assembly manual paint dimensions ? Billy

Stripes on real Z cars were painted at the factory, not at the dealer. The exception would be a special paint stripe delete car, that later had the stripes added. And those would have a - - paint code so that would be a giveaway to if they were factory or not (aside from the very few exceptions).

I think a better question would be are there any verified original paint Zs with the AIM dimensions? Myself, I have yet to see it.

dave

JohnZ,
What makes you think the assembly manual is wrong? Not trying to
be a know it all but what reference do you have that the factory
assembly manual is incorrect? Billy


I believe JohnZ has an unrestored '69 Z/28 in his garage.

JohnZ,
What makes you think the assembly manual is wrong? Not trying to
be a know it all but what reference do you have that the factory
assembly manual is incorrect? Billy

It is just a known fact that those figures are incorrect (they do not compare favorably to what was applied to the cars in reality), not to mention John's credentials and ownership of an original 1969 Z-28. Do note however that early cars had the narrow stripes like the 1968 versions. I would go with dimensions from a known car.

Good luck with it-

Rob

Looks like that I've opened up a can of worms here.I am more confused now than I was before

Sounds like your car is correct. Go with it.

Wow a lot of opinions. Anyway I had mine painted like the assembly manual. I personally think that the stripes look better when painted by the 5.20" measurement from the rear window chrome.. I also purchased a stripe kit from Stencils & stripes.
Billy

Looks like that I've opened up a can of worms here.I am more confused now than I was before

No need to be confused- look at the threads MarkC posted. They are correct. These guys are experts, and have researched this and other issues extensively. This is not a matter of opinion or point of view- it is a matter of how the factory actually did this as a normal practice. I have seen folks quote restoration books on a variety of issues, Etc., and believe because it is in print it cannot be disputed. That is simply not always the case.

If a person wants to follow the manual and likes it then thats great. But there is a correct way to do this. That is one of the great reasons why sites like this exist- to "get to the bottom " of stuff like this.

Rob

Looks like that I've opened up a can of worms here.I am more confused now than I was before

Welcome to the world of '69 Camaro's...and stripe details!
Ask 100 people the same question and I'm willing to bet you'll get at least 50 different answers...

Ok, here's a picture of my brothers brand new 2 week old Z28 that I personally took the picture of back in 69. Sorry about the image but it's an old picture. I asked him where the tail pipes are and he said the 1st week he had it, he cut them by the springs as he didn't like the way the came out the back. I guess when you only pay $3100 you don't mind butchering it up a little.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g136/Caman355/MVC-013F-1.jpg

Here's my original-paint 02D Norwood Z/28 - stripes are 5/8" from the lower reveal molding, just like the one in the link in the post above; like Mark said, the 5.2" dimension in the illustration in the '69 A.I.M. is an incorrect carryover from the '68 illustration. :thumbsup:

Maybe the 5.20" dimension is for vinyl top cars?

dave


My thought as well. Although my car shouldn't even have Z stripes it did come with a vinyl top and the stripes are positioned pretty close to 5.2 from the glass molding, coincidence I guess. Hard to disagree with John though since he was there.

This thread has got me to thinking that 5.20 is a very large gap between the window and the top of the stripe, so I started looking at 67 and 68 Z cars. Seeing how the filler panel between the rear window and the trunk lid opening is only 7.5" itself, Im not sure that the 67 and 8 cars are painted 5.20 from the window. They look to be higher than halfway on the filler panel, guessing around 1.5-2" from the bottom of the rear window.

To have the top of the stripe only ~2" from the deck lid (the 7.5 total - 5.20) would only leave just about enough for the curved top section of the stripe. I'll be the first to say that I am not very knowledgable on the 67 or 8 Zs, just think out loud I guess :)

BTW, heres another example of an orig paint 69 Z:

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/RamAirDave/GoldZ/100_0139.jpg

And the same car in 1972:

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/RamAirDave/GoldZ/GoldZ72Rear.jpg


dave

Dave,

Any idea why the 1972 picture has RS taillights and reverse lights, and the current picture doesn't?

'cause they are two different cars owned by two different people?

I was wondering if anyone would notice that.

It is the same car, actually. The previous owner of that car had a roommate with a silver L78 coupe. When he went to trade in the Z, his roommate liked the RS taillights, so they swapped them out before the trade in. Did the same with the seats, which were custom deluxe.

I thought it was odd to have std seats with the rest of the interior being deluxe, and the taillights were odd also. The L78 car is still around here (guy still owns the car), with the RS taillights and deluxe seats still there.

dave