A few months ago on Ebay 2 '67 Z/28's were being sold together. The seller stated that they had sequential VINs. The cars were shown in a pic, one was white and one was red. Were any details about these cars ever posted on this forum? I would like to read more about them. I remember the auction getting up to $105,000 but did not catch the end of the bidding . I just now remembered about this auction and thought I would ask.

Thanks, Fred

Looking for that '68 Z I sold in '73 for $1800.

Looking for that '68 Z I sold in '73 for $1800.

Have a VIN for that Z at all?? Last known location and any other info, color combo?

I remember the 67 Z add. It seems that it was on more than a few months ago. Or at least the first time they were listed. I believe the cars were in Florida. Someone told me that they ended up being split up..but I'm not sure. Try the super car site if you have no luck here.

didnt jim at heartbeat buy one of them? the gold one?

Click on the thumbnails below to visit a photo gallery of these two Z28s:

http://67z28.com/gallery/albums/67%20Z28%20Photo%20Gallery/Mcguire%20Bolero%20Red/_icon.jpg (http://67z28.com/gallery/cgi-bin/emAlbum.cgi?c=show_thumbs;p=67%20Z28%20Photo%20Gal lery/Mcguire%20Bolero%20Red) http://67z28.com/gallery/albums/67%20Z28%20Photo%20Gallery/Mcguire%20Ermine%20White/_icon.jpg (http://67z28.com/gallery/cgi-bin/emAlbum.cgi?c=show_thumbs;p=67%20Z28%20Photo%20Gal lery/Mcguire%20Ermine%20White)

Click on the thumbnails below to read magazine articles written about these cars:

http://67z28.com/gallery/albums/67%20Z28%20Magazine%20Articles/Cars%20and%20Parts%20July%201991%20(McGuire)/_icon.jpg (http://67z28.com/gallery/cgi-bin/emAlbum.cgi?c=show_thumbs;p=67%20Z28%20Magazine%20 Articles/Cars%20and%20Parts%20July%201991%20(McGuire)) http://67z28.com/gallery/albums/67%20Z28%20Magazine%20Articles/Guide%20to%20Musclecars%20February%201990%20(McGui re)/_icon.jpg (http://67z28.com/gallery/cgi-bin/emAlbum.cgi?c=show_thumbs;p=67%20Z28%20Magazine%20 Articles/Guide%20to%20Musclecars%20February%201990%20(McGui re)) http://67z28.com/gallery/albums/67%20Z28%20Magazine%20Articles/Musclecar%20Review%20November%201989%20(McGuire)/_icon.jpg (http://67z28.com/gallery/cgi-bin/emAlbum.cgi?c=show_thumbs;p=67%20Z28%20Magazine%20 Articles/Musclecar%20Review%20November%201989%20(McGuire))

I don't think it was the VINs that were consecutive, but rather the Fisher body numbers:

http://67z28.com/gallery/albums/67%20Z28%20Photo%20Gallery/Mcguire%20Bolero%20Red/20014.jpg
http://67z28.com/gallery/albums/67%20Z28%20Photo%20Gallery/Mcguire%20Ermine%20White/20003.jpg

The sequential body numbers doesn't seem to mean too much in the above pictures. They were most likely not even built back to back, one had custom interior and the other had standard. In 67 this was how they assigned the body numbers, individually by the body type and interior type, also they were built in two different weeks. I don't see why they would be a package......JMHO

Norwood didn't assign body numbers like LA did. Norwood body numbers are sequential, it didin't matter if they were coupe or convertible, standard or deluxe interior. The one with the higher body number actually has a lower VIN by about 450 numbers. These are a fairly well known documented pair of cars, although there is something funky about the 947 tag.

This is great! Thank you very much for the reply.

Fred

What is a 4FL code???

does anyone have the vin number for the white car? I read the articles but only seen the vin for the red car

What is a 4FL code???
L=Z28
F=Remote Mirror

white vin: N195222
red vin: N193091
diff: 2,131

What is a 4FL code???
Must be a Gator Fan :)

Mark, The tags look out of wack since one has the numbers lined up on the left side and the other is now lined up. Was this common that some tags were aligned and others were not?

As I said theres something weird about the 947 tag, it is not consistant with other tags of the same time frame, and its out of sequence by a significant amount. Is it a repro? I don't know, since both of these cars have been known for such a long time and are in the 67 Z28 registry.

The 946 is a 03D and the 947 is a 03C....
The higher body number was made the week prior to the lower body number.
Wasn't the body number basically an order number? and couldn't the order for one have been held waiting on ??? Deluxe Interior components??? Or ????

Not at Norwood in 67 or 68.

In my opinion, the 947 tag is not the original that was on the car. There are few problems with the tag, and bumped against my other 67 tags I have, definately not original.

In the gallery of photos I mentioned above, there is a document that appears to have a rubbed impression of the 947 car's tag. Interestingly, the impression seems to be of an original rather than the one pictured above. Could be the owner had a replacement tag made because the old one was lost or became damaged.

http://67z28.com/gallery/albums/67%20Z28%20Photo%20Gallery/Mcguire%20Bolero%20Red/scan0005.jpg

Doubt thats a rubbing because its not correct either.

Mark's right, that isn't a rubbing...and as for the misaligned tag, I owned another '67 Z that was misaligned also. IMHO the tag may look a little unusual because of the misalignment, but that is an original blank for sure. Yes, it would make me look hard at the rest of the car, but I certainly wouldn't be calling it a fake tag because of that - especially since the car has been restored for almost 20 years if I recall correctly.

Dennis, do you happen to know where those documents came from?

Theres more wrong with the tag than the misalignment of the paint codes and being out of sequence. Look at the positioning (not the options themselves) of the 2 group on the top option line theres something there that was physically impossible using GMs equipment. Ever since I've known about this car I've thought there was something wrong with the tag. (not the cars pedigree)

Did the original get damaged and replaced, is it just a screwed up tag, that I don't know. I never have seen a clear picture of the tag. I have the exact same image in my files and have had it since April of 2003 when the cars were up for sale on Ebay.

There was a link to scanned photos of the documents when the cars were for sale on eBay. The one that looks like a certificate appears to be dated from the 22nd United States Camaro Club get-together in Orlando in 1995(?).

Theres more wrong with the tag than the misalignment of the paint codes and being out of sequence. Look at the positioning (not the options themselves) of the 2 group on the top option line theres something there that was physically impossible using GMs equipment. Ever since I've known about this car I've thought there was something wrong with the tag. (not the cars pedigree)

Did the original get damaged and replaced, is it just a screwed up tag, that I don't know. I never have seen a clear picture of the tag. I have the exact same image in my files and have had it since April of 2003 when the cars were up for sale on Ebay.

I would have to agree with Mark on this one. There are things that dont make sense. I wonder if that's why they are 1 body number off (because that tag was made up?)

Mark, I know what you are referring to, but have you seen a pic of the tag from the 05D '67 Z with NOR122315 body number? I would post it here, but it is on my old computer and I have no way to transfer it to my new computer (no floppy drive on the new one and can't connect the old one to the Internet). I gave Jon Mello pics of this tag a few years ago, so maybe you have it or he can give it to you. It is aligned exactly like this one right from the build date, to the 2 option code lined up right under the 760-Z which is one space over from where one would typically see it. Even the paint code alignment is in the same space. This too is an original Z with original stripes found under the current paint, original tranny with Z only tag, etc. etc. These two trim tags are identical in alignment and this car has not been touched since the mid '80's.

Why the body numbers are sequential on these two car? I'm not sure, but I did speak with the fellow who restored them both and was the original owner of the white car. He told me that both cars were ordered by the same Florida dealer at the same time and were both delivered on the same truck...he was there to see them unloaded from what I recall him telling me. He has known both cars since new and was a very nice guy to speak with.

Jonesy, what specifically are you referring to when you say that things don't make sense?

The 2 option code alignment, but maybe I'm wrong. Thats just comparing that tag to others out there. You would know better than me on the 67's. Especially 67 z/28 tags.
I'm more familiar with 69 tags. :D

How could two cars with VINs 2200 apart show up on the same truck. Thats almost 3 full production days separating the two cars. There was no place to store the first car at Norwood while waiting for the second one to get finished. I suppose the first one could have been held at the other end of the rail trip until the second one (or enough cars destined for that delearship arrived to justify scheduling a truck) arrived. One things for sure they didn't leave Norwood together.

I haven't seen that other Z28 tag so I can't speak for that tag.

If there was a batch of tags with the option group misaligned (or at least not aligned normally) being made at the same time I might say that whoever was running the stamp that day or week screwed up and misaligned it. But I've got an image of a Z28 that VIN wise is actually between these two (7N1945xx), with 2L and 4L options and the 2 is where its supposed to be, plus a bunch of other cars with the 2 in its proper space. Still think there is something odd about the tag. I'm not calling it a repro, but it certainly doesn't follow the norm.

I hear what you are saying Mark and can't explain it either, I'm just relaying what the fellow told me. I also agree that it isn't the norm, but I wouldn't call it a fake based on that (and I know you haven't called it that either). I wish I could post a pic of this other trim tag because it is identical to this one in alignment and when I first saw it I was very skeptical until I saw the rest of the car. Then this car's tag pops up with the same screwey alignment two months later and??? Makes me wonder if there was a back-up machine that was used sporadically??? I'm also surprised given the amount of info on these tags that more aren't found with mistakes.