my 67 had to old quarter window takes two hands to get up problem, er i should say to hands to roll up problem

so i just replaced the lower rollers as that seems to fix the problem for most people,
well i am not so lucky, my quarter windows still need some help to get up
i believe the problem is that the upper 2 rollers are also worn but i cant seem to find anyone who sells them, or am i not looking in the right places

does any one know who sells the upper rollers for rear quarter windows?

or does anyone have any other suggestions as to what else should try to fix the window problem?

thanks everyone
Jon

I'd lie to know too, I was told you cant get those parts unless you part them out of a donar car. Does somene make them now? Is there another GM car that those can be taken from?

I could've sworn I answered this post a week ago? Rick's and a few other places sell the upper rollers, but they do not have the ~0.020" releaf cut in each side. Without this feature, they bind on the screw in posts. I bought the repros and had a friend cut the releafs. Rick's is aware of the problem, but said that they needed to wait for the current stock to be depleted before the proper ones would be made. Maybe you should call them and find out if that has happened.

I could've sworn I answered this post a week ago?

well i think you did, i asked the same exact thing on the fgf forum
but i asked here because all i could see on ricks was the rear spring loaded roller where did you get the other one

oh know,

so what you guys are saying is my repo qtr window hardware is not going to work? as you can see in this pic i bought the entire setup for the windows from ricks....
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c74/1963wagonman/100_3995.jpg

did you buy that whole thing assembled? or in pieces?

and i think what hammered is saying is if you can turn the upper 2 (both on the metal plate) by hand you are good, but if they bind then you have the same problem he had...

400bird: Thanks, now I know I'm not going crazy.

QW-1 and QW-4 on page 20 of Rick's catalogue. The QW-4 comes with the stud and spring. QW-1 is the lower middle roller that is pressed onto the stud. The third roller stud is riveted to the frame and so the roller cannot be replaced. I used my old stud and the new spring on the one roller after having the necessary releaf cut into it so it would spin.

wagonman: I would check to see if the sprung roller can spin on that stud. I hope you didn't spend all that money to get an incorrectly made part.

ok guys'
ill check it and let you know..btw..its new dated tinted glass from pilkinton.

NORS i do believe.....then i got the hardware fron ricks....

ok..the two upper rollers(the ones on the metal back plate both spin...however, the lower roller doesnt..
is this ok?

by the way,

my chrome window frame is not to secure. i put it on dry.actually i used dish soap. i thought it would help me install it. but it still slips off the dish soap was a bad idea....

400bird: Thanks, now I know I'm not going crazy.

QW-1 and QW-4 on page 20 of Rick's catalogue. The QW-4 comes with the stud and spring. QW-1 is the lower middle roller that is pressed onto the stud. The third roller stud is riveted to the frame and so the roller cannot be replaced. I used my old stud and the new spring on the one roller after having the necessary releaf cut into it so it would spin.

well i think i am going to go crazy soon, if the 3rd roller is rivited on and cant be replaced??? what can be done?

wagonman, where did you get your rollers and that bracket? edit: ok never mind you said u got it from ricks, im headed there right now to look in the catalogue

edit #2: ok i think im going to lose it for sure now, i cant find that piece or that piece along with the window...

On my 67 I drill out the roller that was rivited and replaced it with a new roller.I Brought the replacement wheels and had an extra window to use as a guide.I did this long ago I think I used a nut and bolt to replace the rivit with lock tight on it.work find no problems.

I think the rivited roller is mor of a "glide" anyway, so I don't think you have to get it to spin. When I did mine, I replaced the bolt on rollers, and just worked the riveted one with wd40. I finally got it to spin with a little effort, but it never spun freely. Mine would barely go up adn down before I started, (even helping it with my free hand. However, after cleaning and painting the tracks, putting the new bolt on rollers, and using ample lithium grease, my windows go up and down very freely.

400bird: The assembly is located on page 20, upper left corner, WR-25, WR-26, $26.95/side, Rick's catalogue.

Wagonman: You need to get some window setting tape, a tacky thin rubber tape that is about 1.5" wide. You can get it at a glass shop. Use a little weatherstrip adhesive on the glass edge and inside the chrome channel. The tape gets swaged between these two and you trim the excess off with a razor blade. It's best to take the rubber weatherstrip out of the channel before doing this. I used a deadblow hammer to seat mine and am very happy with the final results.

My personal opinion on the rollers is that they are meant to turn only when they get in a bind. The middle one has to be a guide because it slides in a channel and must slip on one or both sides. My riveted roller spins very free and my sprung roller would spin free if not for the spring.

try cleaning the rust / ect out of your tracks with steel wool and apply a thin coat of white lithium grease in the tracks.
I had all the gm rollers given to me when i bought my camaro,and when i went to install i noticed they were fine, just binding up on 38 years of dirt.