Some folks seem to want a direct poll so here goes:

Given the pretty broad outline of late '08 production and no 'final' view of the new Camaro style yet and no pricing, would you still plan to buy a NEW Camaro when its available?
Its not easy Im sure without all the facts yet but based on what you've seen and read so far, if you have the bucks, would you buy it?

I seriously doubt it unless they redesign the entire car.

Put me down for a V8 Convertible in dark blue :D

I don't think the real 2009 Camaro will look anything like the pictures we've seen to date.

Will I...??
If it looks like the picture below, in 2009 ...no.
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/ww/news/2006/08/07/camarobig.jpg

..and if they use the term "Retro" in any marketing of this Camaro, I'll take it as a personal insult..

I am a Chevy guy..
..but I'd happily own the new Mustang GT or the new Challenger RT before buying the abomination above..

be honest.. these are "HOT" retro muscle cars..
http://us.autos1.yimg.com/img.autos.yahoo.com/i/nctd/q/08s-challenger.jpg
http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/images/2006/05/shelby_gt500_blue.jpg

only if it weighs ~3300 lbs and has a 427 sbc

I saw the car at Carlisle and I think it's really sharp. I voted yes,( if one of you guys will buy my vette listed in the classifieds).

Might as well dream big......LS7 convertible, triple black.

I saw it on the hotrod power tour, it looks a lot better in person than a picture imo. I would buy one.:thumbsup:

I agree with UCDOG. The new Camaro concept looks better in person than in pictures.

I will definitely buy one and after seeing it in person at Carlisle, my father will buy one too. :thumbsup:

If I can afford it when the time comes. :)

I'll buy one after the potential markup over MSRP is over and done with !!! I suspect (as another poster showed on e-bay...) that there will be a frenzy early on....

You should do a survey by age!

I had to click on "maybe". I need to see the car in person before I make a decision. Why are they making us wait 2 1/2 years for release? I'm gonna need a new car in about a year, don't know if I can put it off for 2 1/2....

I am already saving for the new Camaro. I won't pay any markups either, I can wait until that is all over. I did get to see the car upclose and it is a lot better looking in person than any pictures taken.

I already have a 68 and a 97 so this car will be the perfect compliment to the stable.

possibly IF GM could make an updated looking model like ford did with the stang and dodge with the challenger, I saw the concept at carslille and was not impressed , GM needs to open there eyes.

Yes, and if you tell me I can get it in Rallye Green, its a double yes!!!

Mike

hey you guys out there, that camaro?? looks like a caddy out front and a corvette out back, Think about it. No way will that cat fly with us pure camaro guys. I own a 69RS and no way would I buy that thing. Ernie

I voted maybe. GM is once again playing the wait and see how they sell game, and chrysler and ford are going to clean up with the sales before the camaro is even out of the gate! I really like the look of the challenger, and I am not getting any younger. If the camaro comes out with some killer motor packages, it could be worth the wait for them. Also, I have seen some of you guys photoshop work on the camaro, and if they build them like your renditions, I will definitly wait.

only if it weighs ~3300 lbs and has a 427 sbc
How about a 572 Dave? Us big guys need all the ponys we can stuff under our butts! lol

Hey Rockin Rollin Ernie, You are entitled to your opinion as well as others interested in buying one are intitled to theirs. Just try not to make statements like, "that will not fly with 'us' pure Camaro guys". Whether you like it or not, that is the new Camaro. Yeah, maybe they could have done some things differently, but it is what it is. You either buy one or you don't. And congratulations on owning a '69 RS. I've had a number of them over the years, along with a number of other models and generations. You know, there are some Camaros that have come out over the years that I might not run out and buy, but they are still Camaros, and I wouldn't put them or the people who own/buy them down. We are all pure Camaro guys, and the one thing that I have always loved about this board is the acceptance. No one runs around putting other people down or laughing at their questions. We all help each other and respect each others opinions.

Mike

possibly IF GM could make an updated looking model like ford did with the stang and dodge with the challenger, I saw the concept at carslille and was not impressed , GM needs to open there eyes.
From everything I read and heard after the Camaro debuted at the Detroit Auto Show, I didn't hear half the positive attention about the Mustang nor the Challenger.

IMO the Challenger is too retro looking.

Yes, Ford is cleaning up and laughing all the way to the bank on present Mustang sales for sure. Let's hope GM makes it worth the wait :D

I would like to see this done with the New Camaro

http://www.dodge.com/challengersweepstakes/?hrf=http://www.askdrz.com/sweepstakes/index.html

im gonna buy one too, but not for 20K above sticker. for the record, im 27.

I'm 31, and started a savings for an LS7 convertible.

So Yes, I want one, but would rather see it more 'retro' myself.

I had to click on "maybe". I need to see the car in person before I make a decision. Why are they making us wait 2 1/2 years for release? I'm gonna need a new car in about a year, don't know if I can put it off for 2 1/2....


Agree, but question is , Will I live that long? Will GM still be GM and not Toyota? Who knows , they may change the design by 2009, again. Other cars will change theirs as they are out now and some coming out, so GM or Toyota will be behind again? What looks good now, may not later. Do we have enuff corn?

I voted yes... but I'll wait for the dealer mark ups are gone.

I just seen the 2009 camaro at the woodward cruise in person,In my opionon it needs to LOOK MORE RETRO!The car looks good-- But..., not what I would pay 35k-45k for(est.) I think Ford,chrysler has done a better job in the design department than G.M. As far as giving the general plubic what they want.
G.M is failing to give the plubic the RETRO they want.As a example look at the G.T.O If the camaro comes out as the prototype they are showing around,It WILL be another G.T.O. (trust me) G.M. needs to pay more attension to the plubic and not to someone at G.M. that thinks they know!!!

I'd have to think about it. If I were single, sure. I'm not. I have 3 kids to put thru college...We'll have to see what the check book says at that time.

BTW...I'm almost 40.:D

No!

Yes. I've heard that the final design is better than the concept. I'll start saving for it now and by 2009, the price should be managable. Would be neat to have a 69 and 09 Camaros.

No! With the price of premium petro heading way beyond $3 a gallon, these gas guzzlers are for pleasure driving only (in my book). I propose (as I have done in the past), that we drive fuel efficient vehicles for work and save our classic gas guzzlers for weekend pleasure driving. Please don't hate me because I want our petrolum reserves to last just a little longer. I just don't see how putting new Camaros & Challengers (can you say HEMI) on the road is going to help us conserve. bla bla bla Charlie

I'm a GM guy thru and thru, or atleast have been untill now. I vote no. I want to get into a new car in a couple of years so the time frame is right, it's just that I feel that Chevy is missing the boat on their designs. I'll wait and see what they come up with for the new GTO in '09. If they didn't learn their lesson from the '04-'06 GTO's and give us the same bland offering, then I'll buy the new Challenger. How can there be such a thing as too retro? I saw a new CTS and the Camaro just looks too similar. The only thing Chevy is offering that I'd be inclined to buy if I had the finances is the ZO6 Corvette.

The car does look a bit better in person, but it's still not appealing enough to me. If the "refinements" on the way to production make huge differences in the proportions and overall style, I might change my mind. But the current version seems to be getting enough positive feedback that I doubt it'll change much. Age might have something to do with it, I don't know for sure, but I'm 45 now and it seems like nothing much that GM designs has much appeal for me anymore.

D_E_F_ IN_IT_LY...!! If you saw it in person there would not be any question. Those that like the so called retro tang--drive it and see it's a bunch of c-r-a-p of a car.-still old tech. My 67 stang drives better.

I'm a GM guy thru and thru, or atleast have been untill now. I vote no. I want to get into a new car in a couple of years so the time frame is right, it's just that I feel that Chevy is missing the boat on their designs. I'll wait and see what they come up with for the new GTO in '09. If they didn't learn their lesson from the '04-'06 GTO's and give us the same bland offering, then I'll buy the new Challenger. How can there be such a thing as too retro? I saw a new CTS and the Camaro just looks too similar. The only thing Chevy is offering that I'd be inclined to buy if I had the finances is the ZO6 Corvette.
i dont think there will be a 09 GTO- really. I heard it's called Camaro.

I voted no...that is if it stays as a cross between a caddy and a vette...I do believe Ford and Chrysler have more of a "retro" going on. I like the retro look...at least those. My opinon only, yours may be diff. I have a '69 and I know it's not gonna be the same looking car, but I wasn't expecting A caddy looking front end, and a vette looking rear.
GM has had a few yrs since the last camaro was produced, I thought they would have come up with something more original than what they did.
I'm NOT bashing the car, just as it sits now, it's a no...my opinon. It looks too much like a caddy front end...don't want someone to think I bought a caddy instead of a camaro.
Now, wouldn't a '69 rally sport type of grill be a little better for a front end?

Yes...wish it was sooner and made completely in the U.S.A.(not Canada)!! I'm on a mission to have one from each generation.

In person, I never once thought it looked like a Caddy.

Yes...wish it was sooner and made completely in the U.S.A.(not Canada)!! I'm on a mission to have one from each generation.

Name one vehicle that is made completely in the US, every part...

I think that we might be loosing sight of something very important here. What we are talking about is the the pony car wars after all. The only reason GM is bringing the Camaro back is because of the success of the Mustang. PERIOD! There is no point in fooling ourselves. If the Mustang was not selling the Camaro would have been RIP for good. Also with that said, Chryler is doingt the same thing. It is just common sense. The pony car wars sold cars in the 60's because people wanted those cars. The same is true today. People want those cars. With the price people are paying for those original cars on ebay is does not take a rocket scientist to figure out what people want. For all of you that think you have the answer, you won't have long to wait, as those cars will be on the shelf before you know it. In my opinion I thank Gm has done a fine job in designing a new car, however I think that the new car is more corvette or CTS than Camaro. Don't get me wrong I love and breath Camoros, but this new design does not hit the nail on the head enough for me. I agree with some of the postings that the Challenger and the Mustang offer a better retro feel. I wish that the GM brass would take out their pens and and make a few changes that would give the car a little more of the feel that created the legend in the first place. If you are going to hang the Camaro name plate on the car at least compete with the competition. I think Gm is taking a big chance on a new design and if they don't get it right we will wave good bye to the Camaro forever, while people drive Mustangs so far into the future that there will be junk yards full of them on Mars!

As long as the next gen Camaro performs as hot as the '05-'06 GTO's; has the same fit and finish quality as the '05-'06 GTO's, has a great interior like the '05-'06 GTO's, I'll consider trading my '06 GTO for the Camaro.

If the '09 Camaro is all like the '06 GTO, (as I understand it, the aussies are designing it), you all will be very impressed. Trust me here and if you want a sneak peak of what an '09 Camaro will drive like, go drive an '06 GTO.

The Camaro was designed 100% here in the USA, the engineering on the chassis was done by GM Holden in Australia.

I'm not sure the ride in a current GTO is a good comparison to the Camaro. How similar is the chassis setup? Not to mention the power in the 2009 motors will be much more then 2006 :D

1) Probably not. But this has nothing to do with the styling; It has to do with the fact that i think it's overly fancy---too overdone. Too retro. Too in-your-face. Too much fluff. too much sizzle, not enough steak. In short, i, from what i've seen, see an atmosphere that doesn't completely jive with me. It's sort of like listening to gangsta rap---some of it's actually good music, but i just don't "get it" for the most part.

I'm especially turned off buy the huge wheels. Not too long ago the 13" tire was very popular. 14" was considered average. And 15" was considered large. Do they even sell 13" tires anymore?

Is the production model going to look exactly like this concept, or will there be changes?

The styling in and of itself doesn't turn me off. It's the strange atmosphere that does. It is trying to be a 69 or a 2009 or what?

a) I'd sooner buy a 4th generation---and almost did. I actually like the styling of the 4th gen better than this new concept. I actually went down to the dealer and sat down w/ a salesperson, but couldn't bring myself to shell out, if i remember, $17K. It was a stripper 6 cylnder model. The 3800 engine if memory serves. I ended up getting a used cavalier for $2750 that has served me well for over 100K miles with only a new radiator, water pump, alt, ps pump and head gasket change.

b) I think part of the problem, not just with me, but with many others is that i'm not the type that buys new cars. I prefer used cars for economics reasons.
If i was the type the did buy new cars, then yes, there would be a good chance i would buy the new camaro. I would be especially interested in knowing how the 6 cyl version will turn out. You have to remember that over the past 39 yrs, more 6 cyl camaros were sold than any other type. So, i feel , chevy needs to get that segment right.


2) I think the other problem is that the market ain't there like it was in the 80's.

i am 36, and when i was in jr high and high school, the camaro was the sht; EVERYBODY literally had one. EVERYONE literally on my block had one; The 2 brothers next door actually had 3. The kid across the street had one. My brother had one. I ended up getting 3 at different times later on. While in jr and hi school, i KNEW i would get a camaro, not because everyone else had one, but because it was a decent car and i liked it. (i am referring to the 3rd gen here)

Where have all the 80's camaro devotees gone? In a word, HONDA. Everyone one of those 4 people i described above is now driving a honda crv. Coincidence? I think not. Whatever the case, chevy needs to understand this.
I'm the only one out of the 4 that has stayed chevy. But i'm different. I think everyone else has "grown up." I haven't.

b)Most teeners today yearn for hondas and other "rice burners." Can you blame them? Most cars produced since they were born were/are front wheel drive and even the domestics have that appliancey feel to them. So, that's all they really know.

c) Mustang sales have never (really) suffered. Even after the 74-78 Mustang 2 fiasco (which i actually liked). The mustang has achieved cult status. The mustang has a loyal following. The only other car to achieve this is Corvette. The camaro has lost it's following. Which is perplexing because the camaro has always been technologically superior to the mustang. I guess there are a lot of stupid people.

3) Has daimler-chrysler confimed production on the charger?
If so, then chevy and ford are in trouble. Big trouble. Because it's got knock-out looks. Add a "hemi" and it's all over.

4) The styling (ties in with point #1 above):
Again, the styling itself isn't going to turn me off from buying this car but:

Whoever styled this thing is complete A-hole. I don't like the retro styling (this also applies to the mustang and charger). It appears as if chevy is trying to resurect the 69 styling---but didn't quite suceed. (don't they have blueprints tucked away somewhere?) Ford and chrysler took the easy way out and virtually copied their previous creations. But at least they look good. How could you NOT like them? Even if you weren't around when they first came out.

Chevy is taking a gamble with this move. Nobody cares if they copied the 69 exactly, like ford and chysler. I can tell you right now, anyone under 35 ain't going to dig the camaros styling.
When kids today see a vega, they think it's "awesome." (they are too young to know about it's reputation)


So, bottom line is if i were the type the bought new cars, then yes, there is a great chance i would buy one.

Sadly, i don't think the camaro is going to suceed.

What law of nature, physics or government says that the new camaro can't be 4 doors and a suv--like the porche cayenna? Now that would sell like a MF. Possible sales slogan, "You've changed, so has the camaro." or " A new camaro for a new you." Most 80(and for that matter 60s and 70s) camaro devotees now have kids and are married.

More later, I'm sure.

What law of nature, physics or government says that the new camaro can't be 4 doors and a suv--like the porche cayenna? Now that would sell like a MF. Possible sales slogan, "You've changed, so has the camaro." or " A new camaro for a new you." Most 80(and for that matter 60s and 70s) camaro devotees now have kids and are married.

More later, I'm sure.

Wow, you're kidding right? I didn't share your opinion throughout most of your post, and that last part really took the cake....
:sad:

No, i'm not kidding; I'm dead serious. And GM really needs to think this one over real good.

I'm not saying the camaro has to become an SUV (although if you think about it, it probably would work and be a smashing sucess---look at the trailblazer SS). I don't feel that the camaro, if it's going to be close to this concept version is ultimately going to suceed. Don't get me wrong, the camaro has been my favorite car (behind the corvette) for 27 years. And i want it to suceed.

But one big factor is the market is not there like it was circa 1983. So that's why i feel that one strategy is to combine the camaro chassis with the cobalt chassis and make it more of a cobalt SS type of car; Todays youngbloods want Fast and FUrious and buzzy exhaust sounds. That's just the way it is.
Again, most camaro devotees of the 80's have kids now, so a 2 seater pretending to be a 4 seater is not a consideration for them. Chevy needs to concentrate on youngbloods for this car. Now, you "older" guys, maybe your kids are in college now or have moved out so maybe this new camaro would more appeal to you? The "older guys" tend to like this "retro" styling.

3) Again, if the Challenger( i think i mistakenly said charger in my previous post) is coming out, THEN i got bad news for you; IT WILL OUTSELL THE CAMARO. And this is coming from someone who doesn't like mopar.

GM really needs to think, not only about the camaro, more carefully but everything in general. I think the key is the mid-size line, the W bodies.

But more later, i'm sure.

3) Again, if the Challenger( i think i mistakenly said charger in my previous post) is coming out, THEN i got bad news for you; IT WILL OUTSELL THE CAMARO. And this is coming from someone who doesn't like mopar.


I read that the Challenger will be a higher-priced car - V8 only and starting at like $35K (before dealer gouging). It's not going to be one of those cars everyone will see as a rental car like the V6 Mustang (and Camaro-to-be). If the Challenger outsells the Camaro, then GM will implode and the moon is made of cheese. Maybe you mean that the Challenger will outsell the equally equipped V8 Camaro (likely Z28 or SS models)?

Yeah, i meant it will outsell the v-8 camaro. And it WILL.


I don't have time to get into it now but think about it:

Performance didn't kill the last camaro/firebird.

Styling didn't kill the last camaro/firebird.

Lack of sales (market share) is what killed the last camaro firebird.

And they think that by giving it this half-azzed 69 wanabee body is going to bring it all back?

How is this new camaro, performance and hardware wise, different from the last (2002) camaro Z-28 SS? It's not. This new body ain't going to work.

How was the GTO, Hardware and performance wise any different from the last (2002) Trans-am? (besides the IRS). Case Closed.


WAKE UP. The market ain't there anymore. It's 2006, not 1984.


Do you know why Ted Nugent does not sell as many records as he did in the 70's?

That's right kids! Because the market is not there for his records anymore.


Much more later.

Well, the good thing about it is that we will get to find out for sure. We can guess all we want now, but now that they are definitely building it then we will know if it is a success or not. I like the concept, and from what I've seen/heard so far I will be very interested to buy the new Camaro. I like the Challenger too, but I've always been a Chevy & Camaro guy so never considered the Challenger.

It's funny to read all the different opinions, because to many people it sounds like they think GM has 'failed' them because they don't like the design of the concept. Well, judging from the response I've seen on the Internet there are many, many people who like it. Well, no matter what design they came out with, they were not going to please everyone. Someone would not like it.

GM has an opportunity for success, that's all. Can they mess it up? Sure.
If it comes in overpriced, or watered down too much, then it can fail. Or if they don't make it friendly to other phases of the market such as women and youthful drivers. It will be tempting to overload it with the latest doo-dads and make it over the top, but I am hoping they go with simplicity. Keep the weight down and keep the price down, or at least offer enough options so that people can have it their way.

I'm just glad that they decided to build it, so that we can add chapters to the Camaro book instead of sticking with the epilogue.

The original camaro out sold the original challenger so don't bet your paycheck on it because you'll feel dumb when it happends again. The new camaro will out sell the new challenger by a large margin.

A) i never said i didn't like this new concept (actually i don't like it). But the looks aren't what's turning me off. Pls read my previous posts.

If, by the time it comes out, i am in the market for a new car and have decided that a new car is financially feasable , then i probably will buy one. A six cylnder model. But a camaro nonetheless.


B) I meant the challenger will beat the top of the line v-8 camaro(I.e., Z-28 and/or SS) in sales for sure. And so far, we've only seen a v-8 camaro being demoed. There's been no mention of a 6 cylnder model.



But yes, you are right; Total camaro sales will exceed challenger sales. Probably by a big margin too.

C) The other thing to think about is the camaro was brought back because it had a pretty good (sales) history as a whole. Except for like it's last 4 or 5 years. So they brought it back.
If this new camaro flops, then that's it. History. Do you think GM would try to bring it back a second time?

GM is dying.

A) i never said i didn't like this new concept (actually i don't like it). But the looks aren't what's turning me off. Pls read my previous posts.

If, by the time it comes out, i am in the market for a new car and have decided that a new car is financially feasable , then i probably will buy one. A six cylnder model. But a camaro nonetheless.


B) I meant the challenger will beat the top of the line v-8 camaro(I.e., Z-28 and/or SS) in sales for sure. And so far, we've only seen a v-8 camaro being demoed. There's been no mention of a 6 cylnder model.



But yes, you are right; Total camaro sales will exceed challenger sales. Probably by a big margin too.

C) The other thing to think about is the camaro was brought back because it had a pretty good (sales) history as a whole. Except for like it's last 4 or 5 years. So they brought it back.
If this new camaro flops, then that's it. History. Do you think GM would try to bring it back a second time?

GM is dying.

Wow man, don't be so positive!! :waving:

Their stock is way up in recent months, so let's hope they're turning it around

:thumbsup:

A) i never said i didn't like this new concept (actually i don't like it). But the looks aren't what's turning me off. Pls read my previous posts.

If, by the time it comes out, i am in the market for a new car and have decided that a new car is financially feasable , then i probably will buy one. A six cylnder model. But a camaro nonetheless.

B) I meant the challenger will beat the top of the line v-8 camaro(I.e., Z-28 and/or SS) in sales for sure. And so far, we've only seen a v-8 camaro being demoed. There's been no mention of a 6 cylnder model.

But yes, you are right; Total camaro sales will exceed challenger sales. Probably by a big margin too.

C) The other thing to think about is the camaro was brought back because it had a pretty good (sales) history as a whole. Except for like it's last 4 or 5 years. So they brought it back.
If this new camaro flops, then that's it. History. Do you think GM would try to bring it back a second time?

GM is dying.
1. Base will be V6. I've read that a number of times. They only have one running demo car. Should they have made it a V6?

2. The Challenger is going to be a low production car - DCC only expects to sell 20,000. Based on the numbers, I will bet not only does the big V8 (LS2 or equivalent) Camaro outsell the equivalent Challenger, when you add the small V8 (ala 5.3 L) it will sell way more. I'll add that I expect the 5.3 L Camaro will outrun the overweight Challenger (and the base V8 Ford) - the bulky Dodge will give at least 500 pounds to the Camaro when all is said & done. And the V6 Camaro will outrun the V6 Challenger.

3. If you think GM is dying (I disagree), then you must think Ford is dead. GM's turnaround is showing strides, while Ford's attempt at change is not working. Ford is in far worse shape. And we won't get into how poorly Chryslers are selling - if Benz wasn't doing well, they'd be in big trouble too.

4. I agree, if it fails, it is gone. To me, that is why it couldn't be a 69 clone like the Challenger - designwise it would have no where to go. The Challenger will be dead in 4 years. They can't change it because then it won't be retro anymore.

I closely viewed the new Camaro when it was paraded and exhibited at Woodward; and purchased an '06 CTS Caddy (for Mrs Vettrin) just this past Monday. there are similar body-lines shared by the two, but that's it. and as for the lines, check the Nissans and many other "brands" of new vehicle lines: almost every manufacturer has its own copycat version of the sharp-bodied turns and curves. so nah-nah to the naysayers on Camaro = Caddy. (maybe if you compare with the XLR ? but at $78,000~list ? I should think NOT) . talk about a potential flop-eared rabbit...... apples and oranges.
I wouldn't but the first run of anything (although this first Camaro is someday gonna be worth a mint:D ), but yes, eventually I would consider buying one. especially if GM will get off its duff and offer one with some big uummmphh under the hood :hurray:

If Chevy is depending on this car to revive the Camaro, forget it! They seem to have taken a page from the revived Charger manual...all sheet metal and small windows. This thing looks like an armored car! If they are going build this thing to appeal to today's market, how about adding a four door version, station wagon, front wheel drive, a four cylinder with a fart pack muffler and the giant whale tail that seems so popular today!! They already have the twenty inch wheels!
Camaros have always been good looking cars, why kill the image?
I hope this thing fails miserably!
If they want success, just look at the hottest selling Camaros of all time, the 67 - 69. These years are the most in-demand, even today. Reproduce this model, inch for inch, feature for feature and they will sell record numbers.
Long live the first generation! This attempted rebirth is an insult to all Camaros ever built!! What a joke!! Another wanna be.
Remember the Opel GT and the Corvette? Same thing here.
Will I buy one? Absolutly NOT!!
Just my opinion.
Thanks

It should look just like a 1st gen? Should it also steer as poorly, stop as poorly as a 1st gen? Are you anti-EFI too? Time moves on.

BTW, 2nd gens are the highest selling Camaros. Check the numbers.

Hope it fails? Great. Then it will be dead & gone forever. Have you seen it in person? I never once thought it looked like an armoured car. To me, it was way better in person.

BTW, 2nd gens are the highest selling Camaros. Check the numbers.





Are you referring to overall model year sales numbers, car value, what?

The 1st gen. camaro was sold for three years the 2nd gen. camaro was sold for 10 years i belive.

If i had the cash & i probably would have to see it in person,but i think i would have to get one. The question is that, why didnt they come out with the begining year (aniversary) -67- -07-. dont ya think that would of been pretty cool.:clonk:

Second gen cars sold well. The 1979 Camaro outsold the 1969. I've never owned a 2nd gen but I do like them. I have had 2 first gen's both 1969 and 2 2nd gen's a 1984 H.O. Z28 with all the toys & 1988 5.7L IROC-Z.

Stewart brings up some excellent points. The market may not be there. GM nearly killed the Camaro after 1973. They dropped the Z28 name after 1974 and brought it back a few years later. The 1984 Camaro's sold like crazy because GM got rid of the garbage cross fire injection system that was used in 1982 & 1983. If you recall GM did not make a Corvette in 1983 because they "re-tooled/re-made" the vehicle.

Do I want to see the new Camaro succeed? yes I do? If I had the money would I buy one? I don't know.

Ford basically cloned the 1969 Mustang for their new design and it's selling well.

Many people criticized the 4th Gen Camaro's a few years after they were out. People likened that body design to a Geo Storm on steroids. That term was used by professional automotive reviewers in magazines back then. Supposedly the 1993 design was created in 1986 and GM wanted it for the 1987 or 1988 model.

If GM was smart they would have released the new Camaro this month to be sold to the public. That way they could have kicked off a whole 40th anniversary thing. But then again they really did not mark the 40th anniversary of the Corvette too well did they?

And we wonder why GM & Ford have gotten SMOKED by Toyota begining in 1999 when Toyota told the world we will be a force to be reckoned with in 5-10 years. Now it's 7 years later. Correct me if I am wrong but isn't Toyota slated to compete in Nascar next year?

Bottom Line: I read that John DeLorean told GM to wake up in 1973 & 1974. He told them to build smaller, lighter cars with more powerful engines. This was during the time of the gas crisis. He told GM if we are not careful that down the line Toyota, Datsun (now Nissan), Honda and the other imports would be a serious threat to our sales market. They laughed at him because the imports had a bad rep for quality then. GM & Mr. DeLorean parted on bad terms. But DeLorean was the Godfather of the GTO and I believe Firebird. The 1964 GTO is credited my many to have kicked off the muscle car craze of the 1960's & very early 1970's. It's too bad GM did not heed his warning over 30 years ago. Their unwillingness to change to the marketplace, stubborness and corporate greed did them in. Ford has issues but I think that was at the sr. management level.

Just my 2 cents for today!

Yes...wish it was sooner and made completely in the U.S.A.(not Canada)!! I'm on a mission to have one from each generation.

:waving: Best it's made in Canada, quality will at least be top notch

Not if it looks like that. They placed it next to a 69 and it wasnt even close. Have they seen the Mustang next to the 65-70 Mustangs. Might as well buy a GTO if you are looking for just performance. Oh Yeah thats a NO