http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=001&item=110021218225&rd=1&sspagename=STRK:MESE:IT&rd=1 Obviously it has been off of the car at some point, but is it a real tag?

It's a real tag.

I wonder why someone would remove the tag to clean it, but not clean anything else on the car. Sure seems like that would raise a red flag.

That does seem kinda fishy......I would definitely ask for a picture of the hidden VIN's, the dash VIN and post those things here to make sure everything lines up. Also see if the engine VIN and numbers match and get pictures to post as well, since the car is tore down so far these pictures should be easy to get.

that tag has not been off the car, I do not see anything fishy at all (other than WHY someone would chop out the metal in the back like they did)

this will be another $20k ebay sale

any guesses to the actual final price?

Real tag and real car. Tag is still attached, you just see the contrast between the aluminum tag and the rusty firewall.

definately real. never removed.

Mike,I guess I,m in disagreement with everybody else.I,m no tag expert but if it's a real tag sure looks to me like it doesn,t belong on this rust bucket.Looks too good to fit on that firewall.Is Mark C around for an opinion.Paul

I'll take everyone's word that it is a real tag, but no way that tag hasn't been removed. IMO. Mike

I don't think it's been off the car. It's aluminum and won't decompose like the steel firewall. Look at some cars in a junkyard.....

its real

I just ask for more pics and a pic of the vin today 8-14-06 I forgot about the hiden vins I will post any pics he sends if he does not everyone gives more pics when you ask for them.
Bob

Somone really wanted those back panel pieces. Shame it was cut up like that.

The car's VIN is 124379N670xxx (didn't get the rest). Perfect match for an 08A car. Defeinately original, non-removed in my opinion. Plus, on top of that, the paint code is 65 (Olympic Gold). Look at the cowl sholuders, part of dash, door jambs etc... all gold. Also has a vinyl roof, which the tag also indicates.

I have no doubt that tag has been on that car from new. I had a 69 SS out of Texas that i got out of a junkyard about 10 years ago and the firewall/trimtag looked very similar. Alluminum and steel react different to moisture and oxidisation. I bet if you scrape a little on the trim tag , under the black is a light coating of Olympic Gold.
Looking at that car makes me glad I got my cars before they went platinum and I wish the new owner all the luck in the world with it.

Shane..

The car really is not a bad starting point for someone who wants a REAL 69 Z and has skills but not 50k to drop on one in a single shot.
The car is what it is... I would rather start with that one then one of the 40k cobbed up "restored" cars that may or may not be real.

I see nothing to indicate the tag has been off the car. BDY number is only about 800 from my 08A car and the VIN is close as well, mine being 671122.

Pretty rough to say the least.

I'll have to admit I'm wrong on this one. The tag just looks to clean to me. I guess that's why it's a good idea for a novice to get the opinions of the experts. Thank you. Mike

It certainly does look clean in comparison to the firewall, but the tag itself wasnt cleaned up. You can still see that half of it has the firewall blackout paint on it.

The car really is not a bad starting point for someone who wants a REAL 69 Z and has skills but not 50k to drop on one in a single shot.
The car is what it is... I would rather start with that one then one of the 40k cobbed up "restored" cars that may or may not be real.

I agree as long as the price doesn't get crazy. It really needs to be restored. How often are original drivetrain cars found these days. :thumbsup:

Well Boys, it is probably time for me to chime in on the topic of this 1969 Z/28. My name is Rich Gregory and I am the current owner (hopefully not much longer). I purchased this car locally as a parts car in 2004. The young fellow that I purchased from bought it from his father some time in the late ‘90’s. I was told his father purchased from a college student in Indiana in either ’73 or ’74. The rear window still had a Valparaiso University student parking sticker from ’72.

The car was rather complete car at the time and everything missing is either on a few of my other cars, sold or in some instances, still available. I will attest to the fact that the trim tag in question as legit as the day is long. I have not altered a thing on this car other than remove parts. I thought it best to keep the drivetrain (less the driveshaft…sold) intact rather than sell each component ala carte. I personally never had intent to restore the car myself and that is why it is offered on eBay currently.

To answer the questions about the ‘carving’ done on the quarters and tailpan…I am the culprit. The quarter panel stiffeners were removed and installed on my Yenko and the section out of the tailpan was for a sample of original spatterpaint. I am currently working with a chemist/painter and we are trying to create a process to exactly duplicate the factory spatterpaint…and it won’t be water soluble like all of the products currently available.

Below is a little description I wrote up to help potential bidders. This may be of interest to some of you.


1969 Z/28 Camaro
VIN: 12437N670xxx
Trim Tag Data

ST 69 12437 NOR101195 BDY
TR 711 65 B PNT
08A X77D80

ST: 1969 sport coupe
BDY: Norwood (OH) plant w/ 6-digit body identification number
TR: Black standard bucket seats
PNT: Olympic Gold w/ black stripes and black vinyl top
Build date: 08A (August, 1st week).
Exterior Trim Code: X77 (base car with Z/28 package), D80 (spoiler equipment)

Engine Block
Block Casting #: 3970010
Block casting date: G229 (July 22, 1969)
Engine Production Code: 0725DZ (July 25) (DZ=302 cu. in. for a Z/28)

Transmission
P9H10A (Muncie M20 wide ratio 4-speed, June 10, 1969)
Partial VIN stamped beside Muncie codes

Rear Axle
BU0630 G2
E (3.73 ratio Positraction, June 30, Gear plant, 2nd shift, Eaton plant)


I hope this helps to answer some of the questions that you have.

Thanx,
Rich

Thanks for chiming in Rich. Interesting that your BDY # is higher than mine, but the VIN is lower. Mine must have been held up a while. Don't know why, as it is nothing special, just a Z with hardly any options. It is a 10 10 car though, so maybe they had to wait for a batch of black cars to paint.

Don't know why I find this kind of thing interesting, but do.

Good luck with the sale, and hope it goes to a good home. Someone who has lots of energy.

Hi Rich. Interesting story. You must have some expensive other cars to carve up a numbers matching Z for parts. Cheers.:beers:

Lynn,
The order of the VIN and/or the body number on the trim tag does not represent the order the cars went down the assembly line. What you have described is the norm rather than the exception. Thanx for the good wishes and, yes...they will have an extensive project on their hands.

Gary,
Yes I have several that are worthy.