Click on this link to take the survey and provide input on the new camaro
http://www.zoomerang.com/recipient/survey-intro.zgi?p=WEB225MKNAAHDU

Now if I can just actually get what I voted for.

Just filling out this survey got me really pumped up. I felt like I was placing an order for a new camaro!

hope all of those options will happen would be great if so good bye mustang and challenger.

I took it today, got to the last page and it errored out on me...


http://5thgencamaro.blogspot.com/2006/09/hot-rod-magazine-has-new-camaro-poll.html

If they redo the frontend and offer some of the ngine packages in the survey I may interested.

If you noticed practicly every question they ask, "how much would you pay", GM will over price this car, and sales will not be to their likeing.

If they redo the frontend and offer some of the ngine packages in the survey I may interested.

I agree, I'm a life long GM fan, but they missed the boat on this one IMO

Chrysler and Ford designers sure dont have a problem. I'd more likely buy a challenger.

hope all of those options will happen would be great if so good bye mustang and challenger.

Except that if you got it loaded, it would cost more than a Corvette. I still see the Mustang as a good option, based on the prices for the options they are suggesting for the Camaro. It may be affordable for some people, but anything other than the base model seems like it is going to be veeeery expensive.

If you analize (sp?) it, hardware-wize, this new camaro is no different then the 4th gen; Roughly the same weight, powerful v-8, same transmissions, solid rear axle. Similar performance numbers.
OK, DoD is new, but they could have put it on the 4th gen--if it was still in production.

And GM thinks by putting that package into a new body (which doesn't look all that great to begin with) they are going to turn sales numbers around?

There are 3 directions in which GM/Chevy must be looking at for this new camaro concept(and it's still only a concept despite what anyone says):
Mark my words
a) No production. Wait.

b) Look to the Porsche Cayenna; There is no reason why the next camaro cannot be a sporty, powerful suv.

c) Look into combining/sharing chassises with the cobalt. I am willing to bet that cobalt SS and cobalt supercharged SS will meet or exceed total Z-28/and or SS/ and or RS sales. The point is, they would sell a lot more if the chassises were combined into one.

GM IS dying. More on this later.

what the hell no rsss?

If you analize (sp?) it, hardware-wize, this new camaro is no different then the 4th gen; Roughly the same weight, powerful v-8, same transmissions, solid rear axle. Similar performance numbers.
OK, DoD is new, but they could have put it on the 4th gen--if it was still in production.

And GM thinks by putting that package into a new body (which doesn't look all that great to begin with) they are going to turn sales numbers around?

There are 3 directions in which GM/Chevy must be looking at for this new camaro concept(and it's still only a concept despite what anyone says):
Mark my words
a) No production. Wait.

b) Look to the Porsche Cayenna; There is no reason why the next camaro cannot be a sporty, powerful suv.

c) Look into combining/sharing chassises with the cobalt. I am willing to bet that cobalt SS and cobalt supercharged SS will meet or exceed total Z-28/and or SS/ and or RS sales. The point is, they would sell a lot more if the chassises were combined into one.

GM IS dying. More on this later.

Hardware wise?
Besides the generalities you mentioned, the new Zeta chassis is an all new engineering design from the ground up, unlike the 4th Gen AKA carry over 3rd Gen chassis.

Motor and transmission technology is improved, much more power, etc.

The platform used for the Camaro will be shared with other GM vehicles, have you even read anything about the chassis development and how GM is already using it?

Sounds like you have the answers for GM, get yourself on the board...

Except that if you got it loaded, it would cost more than a Corvette. I still see the Mustang as a good option, based on the prices for the options they are suggesting for the Camaro. It may be affordable for some people, but anything other than the base model seems like it is going to be veeeery expensive.

I would expect a fully-optioned, Performance tuned Camaro may be more then a base Corvette, just look at the Cadillac V-Series automobiles.

I do not see the base performance level V8 Camaro being more then a Corvette, nor much more than a Mustang GT, GM had better of learned that won't fly with the buying public.

I'm sure gm will price the camaro about the same as the mustang. The 4th. generation was to expensive that was part of the reason it's gone. In 1969 i brought a brand new 427 copo camaro for $4000.00 that was expensive back in 1969 got it anyway.

What i meant was, it's still a unibody, RWD car with a powerful v-8 and sopisticated trans'm. (As is/was the GTO which didn't sell too well either)

Nobody cares or knows the differences between the 3rd/4th gen floorpan and the zeta. Although, admittedly the zeta probably rides better and tighter. But still, no-one really cares. For that matter most people who would actually be interested in buying a camaro do not know or care.

As far as the engines and transeses being more advanced. Yes, absolutely. But you could have just bolted them into the 4th gen chassis---if it was still around.

Do you work for GM? Because if so, i've got a heavy tirade coming up. And yes, it is full of answers. Good answers.

What i meant was, it's still a unibody, RWD car with a powerful v-8 and sopisticated trans'm. (As is/was the GTO which didn't sell too well either)

Nobody cares or knows the differences between the 3rd/4th gen floorpan and the zeta. Although, admittedly the zeta probably rides better and tighter. But still, no-one really cares. For that matter most people who would actually be interested in buying a camaro do not know or care.

As far as the engines and transeses being more advanced. Yes, absolutely. But you could have just bolted them into the 4th gen chassis---if it was still around.

Do you work for GM? Because if so, i've got a heavy tirade coming up. And yes, it is full of answers. Good answers.

People do care, one of the big reasons the 4th gen failed, was the mostly carry over 3rd gen Chassis. Real car guys knew and they do know the difference.

By 2000, that chassis setup was basically 18 years old.

Sounds like you've had that tirade bottled up for quite some time now LOL

Regarding the GTO - that was a slam dunk to the showroom vehicle. GM never intended for it to last much longer than it really did.
They wanted something to fill the void a bit, used an existing vehicle, made some cosmetic and domestic requirement changes and shipped them to showrooms here in the USA.

They were overpriced, from what I've read and heard, there was only so much they could do on the price considering it was assembled completely overseas then shipped here to sell.

Who knows how much of that pricing information is really true.. but I haven't heard anything to the contrary :D

Well, really the chassis by 2000 was basically 25 yrs old because the 3/4th gen was roughly/generally/basically a monza (which was a vega) chasssis. But we're splitting hairs here;

"Real car guys" are not the main mass market for the camaro. Never were. The mass market for the camaro were people who went to high school in the 80's who now have kids and have moved on to minivans and suvs.

Age of the chassis, to me, would not alone mean lack of sales. I.e., the previous full size chevy/gmc van chassis went, i believe, 24 years. The astro/safari went i think 21 years. The c3 vette went 19 years (c2+3 bascially had the same chassis as i'm sure u know)

The last G body chassis, which sold like hotcakes (which is peplexing why gm cancelled it so abruptly) is based on the 73-77 A body chassis, which the B anc C body chassis was also based on all trace their lineage back to the 55-57 chassis sort of, roughly.

So basically, the average person doesn't give a poop about unibody vs. full frame, Macpherson vs. control arms. Solid vs. IRS etc.
More on this later.

2) I personally like/d the GTO. The styling didn't turn me off at all. If i had the money, then a GTO would definately be a serious consideration for me.
I'm just saying that GM has got their formula(s) all messed up.

I said the aging chassis was one of the reasons for it's demise.

Based on what I read and hear about the Zeta platform, your opinion seems to be the minority. I guess time will tell :cool:

..."Real car guys" are not the main mass market for the camaro. Never were. The mass market for the camaro were people who went to high school in the 80's who now have kids and have moved on to minivans and suvs...

Yep.
My thought exactly.
We were NOT the real target demographic.

Look to the Porsche Cayenna; There is no reason why the next camaro cannot be a sporty, powerful suv.



Make the Camaro an SUV????????????????????? What ever you have been drinking send me some.
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