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: Camaro vs Firebird powerglide


Dave Burlingham
Oct 5th, 06, 05:06 AM
:confused: :confused: Not sure where to post this, if wrong place I'm sure it will be moved.
Does anyone know if the "glides" are interchangeable between the first generation Camaro and the first generation Firebirds? I am referring to hooking up to the small block or sixes.

Dave

Oldani Motorsports
Oct 5th, 06, 05:32 AM
No. The Pontiac version of the 2-speed uses a BOP bolt pattern case. And internal components are a tad different as well.

South Side Goons & Hitmen
Oct 5th, 06, 05:48 AM
Dave,

Oldani Motorsports is correct. The BOP (Buick, Olds, Pontiac) bolt pattern on their transmissions is different than Chevrolet's. I have been told there are adapters but I have never used one. I preferred to have the correct trans bolt pattern mated to my engine.

Dave Burlingham
Oct 5th, 06, 05:56 AM
thanks for the reply, What does BOP mean? The reason I asked this is I have been looking for a dust cover for my tranny flexplate and everyone that I have purchased ( 4 of them) do not match up. I have been told that it may be possible I have a firebird powerglide. I know the tranny is not original to the car, the numbers on the side of the tranny are C03(or B) 11N Whch I decode as C= powerglide 0= year 60 or 70, 3 = March or B=Feb, 11= day and N=Night shift. Was the dust cover different on a 60 versus a 70 powrglide? maybe that is the problem, I am looking for the wrong year cover.

Dave

Everett#2390
Oct 5th, 06, 07:10 AM
BOP = Buick, Olds, & Pontiac bolt pattern.
Yes, inspection cover would be different between BOP & GM.
The year would be 1970, because I would think you're asking about an alumimum case transmission, started in 1962. PowerglideTrans cases before 1962 are cast iron.

Dave Burlingham
Oct 5th, 06, 09:09 AM
Everett:
I will check to see if it is aluminum or cast. Have you ever heard of an adapter that "South Side Goons" was referring to? If so, is this a possibility I may have? And where woudl this adapter be connected? Or are the numbers different for a BOP powerglide?
Learn something new everyday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dave

Everett#2390
Oct 5th, 06, 09:40 AM
The adapter referred is a 1/4 inch thick alum plate and bolts up to the block, then the trans bolts to it. Also, there are spacers bolting between the torque convertor and the flex plate.

These adapters can be bought as a complete kit. Vendors? I'm sure there are plenty out there, but one sticks out in my mind, www.speedwaymotors.com

Not a common item as most get the bolt pattern needed and match them up. As an added benefit, THM automatics are the same bolt pattern as alum Powerglide.

TJS69
Oct 5th, 06, 09:53 AM
If you need a new transmission, why not replace it with a TH-350. You will like this transmission alot more than a powerglide. Or go to an overdrive trans. if you have the money !

Dave Burlingham
Oct 5th, 06, 10:39 AM
Everrett and TS:

Thanks, I do not believe I have an adapter on my engine almost positive but I will check again and if I am right then I do have a correct "glide"
TS: I am not looking to replace my tranny, just trying to find a dust cover to protect the flexplate. I like the "glide"!!!!!!!!!! I would rather have a numbers matching but not changing it to something that wasn't offered at that time.

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Dave

Everett#2390
Oct 5th, 06, 11:18 AM
Most any alum PG cover will fit, i.e., Chevrolet car, truck, & GMC trucks included.
V8's & 6-cyl bolt pattern is the same. They all house a 153-tooth flex plate.

twotoejoe
Oct 5th, 06, 08:25 PM
To be technical, Pontiac never used a Powerglide, except in their 6's (which were Chevies anyway). Pontiac 2 speed automatic transmissons were Super Turbine 300's. A complete different animal than the Powerglide. And a lot tougher I might add.

Dave Burlingham
Oct 6th, 06, 03:50 AM
twotoejoe:

Thanks for the info! Do you by chance know how Pontiacs numbers went regarding the tranny? The number on my tranny is is C03(orB)11N. Which are suppose stand for C=powerglide 0= year either 60 or 70, 3= month of March or B= month of Feburary, 11 = the day and N= nightshift.

Dave

Everett#2390
Oct 6th, 06, 04:24 AM
Why do you think you have a Pontiac trans?

Dave Burlingham
Oct 6th, 06, 07:28 AM
Everett:

The reason I said that is because someone had just tossed that out there thinking it may be possible, that is why I ask the Pros at Team Camaro and CRG.I can't find a cover that fits my tranny. I've looked high and low, had people that went to Carlisle Pa to look and no one had one. I can't even get a correct picture of what I should be looking for. There is no doubt in my mind that I have a powerglide but I just don't know why I can't find a cover. People have said Chevy used to have a cover for what was considered a "big block" before the 396 and 427 and that is what I need because if the codes on my tranny are for a 60 glide they say it was different. There is a cover on E-bay that the person states is for a "glide" and it something I have never seen before. not even close to what I thought it would look like.
You get a chance, maybe take a look.

Dave

Everett#2390
Oct 6th, 06, 10:40 AM
One of these:
http://www.parts123.com/parts123/yb.dll?Parta~PartSort~A0~~~~~A90~A81

Bid block from the 60's is the 348 & 409 V8, as they used the same block. PG's were cast iron and had a flat dust cover compared to a contoured cover of 1962 and later.

C would make it a Chevrolet Powerglide.