We're kicking this around over at Hotrod magazine.

Dunno , I do know a Z was more than a COPO

Ouch! Mine was $4410.00 with T&L in May '69. Orange RS SS parchment top, both spoilers, Endura bumper, 8 track, Light group, console gages, 375hp 396, TH400 and 4:10 Posi. First thing I wrote down on the order sheet was posi. Almost bought the J8 brakes,,,damn!

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Looking at Jerry M's book, there is a window sticker from a 69 COPO 427 with TH400, spoilers, N44 steering, AM radio, F70x14 white letter tires, power disc brakes for $3860. And that comes with the 427/425 engine and 4.10 posi rear. What a bargain! I imagine that a Yenko would be marked up a couple hundred from there for adding the stripes, headrests and depending on wheels or gauges.

Yep, that sounds close because the 427@425hp was a RPO, not a COPO. If we would have only known. I bought my 427 short block a year before the car because I wanted MORE! I remember Yenko's being marked waaaay up, like in the 6-8 thousand range. They were leading people to believe that they custom installed the 427,,, special,,,just for us! Baldwin was the same way.

DZ Fool, I'm new here and lost in the wilderness looking for a registrar of other 69 Camaro owners who bought their car new. I thought you might be just such an owner until I looked up you birthday. Any idea if such a data base exists, or any other original owners who still have their 69's?

I thought you might be just such an owner until I looked up you birthday.

Easy now, A lot of us that were born in '72 own 1st Gen's!! and BTW, I'm glad all the old guys didn't keep thier cars, wouldn't be any around for us youngsters! Phil

Yep, that sounds close because the 427@425hp was a RPO, not a COPO. If we would have only known. I bought my 427 short block a year before the car because I wanted MORE! I remember Yenko's being marked waaaay up, like in the 6-8 thousand range. They were leading people to believe that they custom installed the 427,,, special,,,just for us! Baldwin was the same way.

Actually, the 472/425 was not an RPO, it was a COPO order which included the 427/425, the 4.10 posi rear, the ZL2 cowl induction hood, and required the PDB.

Fellow youngsters I bought mine in 88 I was 15 I was a LMF . I f you want a reference check out Jerry Macneish's book . I have a thing for Z's so Iwill start there.

69 Z X33, Vinyl top The low low price of $ 3958

Copo with Gauges consoletinted windows rally wheels .The low low price of $4068

JL8 Z The low low price of $4419

Burgondy vinyl top Copo. The low low price of $3860

Sorry Nothing from Mr. Don Yenko in the book I have.

Yenko replaced the Chevrolet window sticker with his own. The copies I have show a list price of $4381.65; the base price was $4245. This was about $500 over the list price of an identically equipped COPO.

In the famous MCR interview Don Yenko indicated he had to pay Chevrolet something for the engineering work required to produce and warranty the option. That cost had to be amortized over the production run.

Whatever the price, Yenkos' cars were impossible to sell by mid-1969 as they were virtually uninsurable.

X66 396 325hp w/TH400 ordered April 1969. Out the door at $3622.50. Ordered by my father. I still have the car and the paper work. I bugged him every day when we went by the local Chevy dealer and saw the Garnet Red L78 4 spd for sale, I was 13 yrs old. He finally went in and ordered the Garnet Red X66 325 hp Th400 for my mother to drive since she couldn't drive a 4 speed. I got to drive it when I finally got my license in 1972.
For several years I got pulled over constantly for doing things that the guy that bought the L78 was doing. I saw him at a car show a couple months ago and he laughed talking with me about how I took the heat off of him back then. I still have my car though and the L78 is long gone.

Yep, that sounds close because the 427@425hp was a RPO, not a COPO. If we would have only known. I bought my 427 short block a year before the car because I wanted MORE! I remember Yenko's being marked waaaay up, like in the 6-8 thousand range. They were leading people to believe that they custom installed the 427,,, special,,,just for us! Baldwin was the same way.

The $6-8000 range would most have likely been ZL1 Camaros, not Yenkos or Baldwin Motion cars. I forget what that green 1969 Phase III Baldwin Motion Camaro sold for but I think it was over $5000 because it was loaded with BM options.

I have an old, published 1978, Z28 book and they have ads and list the prices for Baldwin-Motion Camaros.
1968 SS-427
Base: $3,795.00 425HP
Phase III: $4,998.88

1969 SS-396
Base: $3,175.85 375 HP
Phase III: $4,398.85
1969 SS-427
Base: $3,895.00 450 HP
Phase III: $4,998.95 500 HP
1969 Z-28 (302)
Base: $3,075.00
Phase III: $4,298.00
Then there is a list of alot more options from engines to tires with prices.
Greg

Actually, the 472/425 was not an RPO, it was a COPO order which included the 427/425, the 4.10 posi rear, the ZL2 cowl induction hood, and required the PDB.
One of my History books says that setup was also an RPO. The COPO legend might be because of cars like mine. The only option listed on the trim tag is a COPO torque converter. It's six lug.
And after nearly 38 years of duty, this winter it will be given a rest. A new high-stall TCI has been chosen.:hurray:

COPO torque converter?????
The Norwood cars had no COPO codes on the trim tags (the codes listed on the trim tags at Norwood were for Fisher Body to let them know how the body was to be pierced, outfitted, and painted (blacked out rear pans, etc). Some of the Van Nuys cars had fleet codes on the trim tags (I do not believe that these are fully understood or deciphered at this point though.)

Joel did transplant most of the 427's into the cars... they used SS 396's or even lower base cars and installed the engines... even in 69. If Motion did modify COPO's there were very few if any Pre-delivery (day one) COPO's modified by them and sold as Baldwin Motion Supercars.

I have an old, published 1978, Z28 book and they have ads and list the prices for Baldwin-Motion Camaros.
1968 SS-427
Base: $3,795.00 425HP
Phase III: $4,998.88

1969 SS-396
Base: $3,175.85 375 HP
Phase III: $4,398.85
1969 SS-427
Base: $3,895.00 450 HP
Phase III: $4,998.95 500 HP
1969 Z-28 (302)
Base: $3,075.00
Phase III: $4,298.00
Then there is a list of alot more options from engines to tires with prices.
Greg
Guess I lucked out ,, 10% over dealer invoice back then set me and the gmac for about $3300 plus financing. Still stiff price in 69 for a base coupe and tinted glass RS/Z .

The 69 Yenko Camaros probably normally sold in the $4200-4500 range depending on options and dealer mark up. Some dealers still had them on the lot as the 1970 cars came out and had to sell the Yenkos at reduced prices just to move them. Some sold for more if it had special options. The original owner of my 67 Yenko Camaro recalls paying close to $5000.00 for it. It came with Dick Harrell installed 427 with headers, traction bars, scatter shield, hood pins, SW tach gauges, and special ign wires. Many of the 67 Yenkos were sold as race ready AHRA legal 450hp Super Camaro drag cars designed by Dick Harrell. About half of the 67s were built at the Dick Harrell Performance shop.
Motion cars were generally custom built to customer order therefore would have a wide range from around $4000 to $8530 for the Mexican Motion Camaro.
The green Mexican Motion Camaro was built for the son in law of the governor of Chihuahua Mexico. I talked to Joel Rosen about this car and have a copy of the Motion work order. It sold for $8530.10 but they didn’t pick it up for a long time (Jan70) and there was an $800.00 charge for storage!
So the work order total is $9330.10.
When they did finally pick it up they also bought a 427 Motion Chevelle with a NMW tow bar set up and tow tabs on the Camaro. A guy came in from Mexico and drove away with the Motion Chevelle towing the Motion Camaro.

Picture shows 69 Yenko window sticker for $4295.70

One additional fly in the ointment. Don Yenko also had custom engines built with his own block casting (basically a HiPerf 427 casting with the high nickel content used in the truck block). The motors were balanced and blue printed to your custom order (any part you wanted inside he would buy and install).


Larger Dave

Guess I lucked out ,, 10% over dealer invoice back then set me and the gmac for about $3300 plus financing. Still stiff price in 69 for a base coupe and tinted glass RS/Z .

You bought yours NEW!? And you still have it?! Me too! If I understand you correctly, you are the first original owner of a 69 Camaro that I've contacted since 1972 or so. How about contacting me here or via my web site? The car's at the end. Pictures in the 130's. http://epitomesrebuild.com/

And can anyone suggest a safe and efficient way to take a possitive print of the protecto-plate. (it's backwards and hard to read)
Oh Man! Messed-up an edit again. One more time;

With a magnafing glass, the transmission side of my protectoplate reads 69X493. So that's a TH400 for a 427/425 or 427/430hp built on the (493-366=127 day of 1969) Whew! This is hard.

Hold that plate up while brushing your teeth in front of the mirror in the morning. It will get a lot easier to read :)

You're assuming that I brush my teeth!

Kidding,,,, I'll try it now. But I was hoping to make a hardcopy.

I have an old, published 1978, Z28 book and they have ads and list the prices for Baldwin-Motion Camaros.
1968 SS-427
Base: $3,795.00 425HP
Phase III: $4,998.88

1969 SS-396
Base: $3,175.85 375 HP
Phase III: $4,398.85
1969 SS-427
Base: $3,895.00 450 HP
Phase III: $4,998.95 500 HP
1969 Z-28 (302)
Base: $3,075.00
Phase III: $4,298.00
Then there is a list of alot more options from engines to tires with prices.
Greg

I don't know where these prices came from but I doubt that anyone bought a 1969 ss396 L78 for $3175.85.

Yeah, the base price for mine started at 3100 and change.

There was a guy here in Missouri where I live who had a yellow one. My dad said he remembers seeing it brand new in town with the window sticker still on and the price was $4400. He always remembered it because Yellow is his favorite color and he was thinking of buying one. But said he thought the price was too high at the time.

Well, my mother threw out the sticker 30 years ago. I still haven't forgiven her! I recall the sticker price of my Camaro to be $5100 ++. But the dealer, in April, thought the model year was nearly over so I got it for $4410 with T&L.
And Chris, how's your 8 track? Here's mine;
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Ou-ou-ou! My new Addco 7/8 rear swaybar just came! It replaces the 36 year old bar. They sent it for free because my bushings were tired and they don't make bushings like mine anymore. WHAT A GREAT RAINY DAY PROJECT! :hurray: Wish me luck. Whad I do with that jack-stand,,,,,,

My 8-track isn't plugged in. I haven't had a chance to use it yet. And I don't have any tapes for it! ha ha

Hi Chris,
I'm on a high this afternoon. The sway-bar is gorgeous. I'd post a picture but my wife isn't home from work with the digital camera. Soon.:p
My 8 track hasn't been hooked to speakers for over 25 years. It still works though. If you plan to hook yours up it's kinda odd. The speakers are grounded to the body, not back to the 8 track. That's why I couldn't use it in parallel with the new(er) system.

I beat the rain home from my sway bar test drive! The car had a snapping kinda clunk in the rear when backing or turning uphill in reverse. I have never found the cause until today. A 36 years old annoyance is GONE. The only time the car has sounded better is with the headers open.

I managed to get some pictures of the new swaybar online today. Sure wish it would dry-up.http://epitomesrebuild.com/images/145.JPG