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Hatya
Dec 3rd, 06, 03:42 PM
So after looking for 3 years I finally found a car worthy of my project.

Its a 67 Convertible, no options, nothing fancy plain janer 327 w/a glide. I wont have to feal bad about doing anything i want to this car, unlike the 68 RS factory air car which I'd rather not discuss what i did to this 10 years ago.

Now after purchasing this car i drove it for 2 months adn its just a blast to drive, but its basically all original with a new top and it drives like its 40 years old. Also it has a bit of body sag, and the tops of both door windows hit the qurter glass when closing.

My long term goal with this car is basically to meet or exceed the performance of my wifes 02 WS-6 Trans Am. Its not the fastest car out there but it really does handle like a dream.

After doing some research I came across the article in Super Chevy i think about Jeff Schwartz http://www.schwartzperformance.com/products.htm and his full frames for 1st gen camaros. It really seems to me like the way to go, especially with a convertible since this would really tighten the car up, and allow me to go with some really nice suspension parts to boot. I'm even considering a full air suspension system.

That being said I have really been outa cars since I sold my 68 10 years ago and im looking for some advice from you guys.

Hatya
Dec 3rd, 06, 04:04 PM
Ok i searched before i wrote this found nothing , now just browsing I found a thread on this already , sorry

BonzoHansen
Dec 3rd, 06, 08:02 PM
I'm not sure you need to go that far, but...

Try searching at http://www.pro-touring.com/forum/ , http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/ and http://www.corner-carvers.com/ (posts there can get nasty - better just read)

Silver69Camaro
Dec 4th, 06, 11:12 AM
I'm not one to advertise on these forums, but you may want to check out this page:
http://www.artmorrison.com/2006cat/13.pdf

We offer C5 front suspensions and triangulated 4-bar rear (and soon to be available 3-link) that allow 1.0g of cornering ability (and yes, it is proven).

Hatya
Dec 4th, 06, 08:45 PM
Ive seen the Art stuff, just seems like a ton of extra work to me

camcojb
Dec 4th, 06, 09:47 PM
Ive seen the Art stuff, just seems like a ton of extra work to me


As is the Schwartz. No full frame will be a bolt on without any mods to a subframe car.

Hatya
Dec 4th, 06, 10:12 PM
From what ive read with the Art Chasis id need to cut out the entire floor, which may be a tad over the limits for me. I have like ZERO body work experience, although my mechanical background is very significant.

I suppose I wont dismiss the Art Chassis, and i did ask for advice so I thank you for that. If anyone cares to give me a breif rundown of what may be the involved to make the Art chassis work id love to hear it..

My understanding is id have to cut out the entire floor, and weld in a new flat floor, which i understand to be raised higher then the stock floor. how will this effect seat position in relations to the sterring wheel, again ive never done any chassis work like this, I can build an engine trans and diff yadda yadda yadda. So im sure i can figure this out

Silver69Camaro
Dec 5th, 06, 07:05 AM
Every floor mod you'd have to do with the Schwartz chassis, you'd have to do the same with ours. Remember the stock seating position is actually about 3/4" from the top of the rocker (which is where most people put this chassis), so you really don't lose any headroom. Heck, the owner of Alloway's Cuda is some 6'4" and he fits perfectly fine in his (and the roof was chopped!).

Whatever route you go, it will be a lot of work. BE SURE you can complete the job or else you'll just hate the frame you just purchased AND your car. Also, make sure the frame you purchase will do the job intended. How's the companys reputation? Suspension geometry? Is the performance proven? How's the torsional stiffness? A couple things to ask...

halfast
Dec 13th, 06, 03:25 AM
HEY CHECK OUT HOW i DID IT TO MY 67 FIREBIRD CONVERTABLE

http://hotrodders.com/forum/journal.php?action=view&journalid=8958&page=1&reverse=1