I am new to the Camaro restoration. Can anybody ball park a good paint job cost for me? (including removing all trim parts, media blasting the entire exterior, removing the front end, priming, painting, and realigning fenders, etc) I am assuming no rust of sheet metal work.

assuming no rust or sheetmetal work is just not realistic. But......you're looking at 5k at least

Anywhere from 8K to 30K depending on your location, the type of paint used, how many coats, what the body shop finds after the media blast, and the quality of the job you are expecting. It's not something anyone can really narrow down over the internet.

This is a really subjective question, but I'll tell you what I came out at:

I had previsouly stripped the car, front end was off, all trim removed, and car was delivered to painter media stripped to bare metal. The only work done was to replace the filler panel between the rear glass and the trunklid. By the time I was done with materials, labor, etc. I was close to $6K. This is a very nice paint job that involved priming, blocking, priming, final block, color coat, three coats of clear, and painted SS stripes under the clear coats. I was surprised at the materials cost, and I got a fairly good discount because a friend owned a paint supply and got the materials at cost for me. I felt I got a farily good deal, as the paint job rivals some of the best I have seen at the Scottsdale Pavillions where some very high dollar muscle cars go. The prep is the biggest part of the whole operation.

It all depends on what you want the end result to be. Do you want to put some sweat into doing things, do you want a show quality paint job, what color (metal or pearls will add cost), etc. If you want a black paint job, prepare to spend $'s to get the body and primer in perfect shape, or the top coat will show every flaw you can think of. If you go with white, it hides a lot of things.

The best thing I have heard on paint jobs, and restoration in general, is take what you think you will spend and double it. You have to make sure you get a written estimate from the shop before you commit to anything, and even then once the shop strips the car, they may call you in to show you what they found that needs to be fixed before they proceed to paint. Every car ends up needing something during the strip and prep stages. Go over the car very well yourself, check for any prior bodywork (bondo, etc.), and don't be afraid to take trim, etc. off yourself. The time you spend will come at a premium if you have the body shop do it. Just label everything and bag it as you remove it. I did this part myself, as I did not want to have them reinstall the old trim, etc. without having it cleaned, rechromed, etc. Every minute they spend doing something on your car, they will charge for it.

For me, I think that 5k to 30 k is way too much for me to pay somebody to do something that I am willing to learn myself. As I see it, for about one third to one half the cost of paying somebody else to do paint and bady work, I can use that money and buy all the nessessary equipment to do the job myself(heck you can rent most of the equipment) and then I have all that equipment to either sell or if I turn out to be any good at it, I can do more cars, and have the satisfaction of being able to have done it by myself.

But then again if I wanted something that costs that much I might as well wait and find one allready painted really nice, and totally skip that restoration step.

I admire someones car a whole lot more when I find out that they did most of the work themselves instead of just sending it off to have everything done on it, even if it has blemishes from their handywork, it has a lot more class.

I searched all over town before I had my Camaro done aobut ten years ago and I thought that I was having the best guy I could find working on it. Instead I am still kicking myself over it:clonk: , it would have been a better job if I had Earl Shibe do it.

Now I refuse to have somebody else work on my baby, I'll do it myself, that way if something is wrong then I am to blame. And if it's right then all the better..................007

PS: If 50 illegal aliens (and I'm not pertaining to any certain ethnicity or race here)in a bodyshop can do bodywork and paint on a car, then so can I

Now I refuse to have somebody else work on my baby, I'll do it myself, that way if something is wrong then I am to blame. And if it's right then all the better..................007

PS: If 50 illegal aliens (and I'm not pertaining to any certain ethnicity or race here)in a bodyshop can do bodywork and paint on a car, then so can I

Aint that the truth!! If I work on it...and I break it...my wife only yells at me....if the alien who worked on the car broke it...she won't yell at them, not as much as me.

Just waiting for my cousin to finish setting up his spray booth and off to the races I go!! I know I will spend tons of time on the prep work....just so I am satisfied.

For me, I think that 5k to 30 k is way too much for me to pay somebody to do something that I am willing to learn myself.

Right on the nail there...straight ecomomics
I dont know charge out rates in the States...but goes along these lines
Charge out rate $65 to undo a few nuts and bolts, and dismantle, and again to reassemble....Same for intial sanding clean up etc...It doesnt take a rocket scientist to do this work, and there are a quite few man hour days in doing it.
For every hr they work on it it will cost u 2 or 3 hrs at your job, less tax to pay for this simple work.
If u do it yourself, u are ineffect getting paid 2 or 3 times your current hrly rate TAX FREE.

You know fellas, it's true. Anyone can paint a car if all goes well, and sometimes it does. It is when things go wrong that the knowledge of the professional comes in handy. There is quite a bit of education needed to understand the chemistry and the correct materials to use, and when to use them. Lots of folks go to work with only themselves in tow, or their lunchbox, or their brief case, etc. Your labor rate pays the wages of all the employees, bookkeepers, estimators, clean up folks, etc. It also pays for the insurance, taxes, building, power, water, tools such as the welders, frame machine, compressors, etc. I know there are some horror stories out there regarding body shops, and a lot of them are true. You also need to understand it is a business, and it is about money. You make a lot more and more quickly working on a bent fender on a new car, than on any restoration work, which is why it is so hard to get someone to do it in the first place. If you get it done at a body shop, get references and look at their work before you decide on one. If you decide to do it yourself, you can. Just be aware that mistakes are still very expensive as material isn't cheap, and cleaning up a mess is often more expensive than having it done in the first place. Since this is probably going to get me kicked in the butt anyway, one more thing. Latino bodymen, and craftsmen in general - particularly in the southern California area are some of the most gifted craftsmen in the profession. I read a quote recently that is most appropriate here. It was, " I can cook a hamburger, but I'm no chef."

OK - So I got a lot of info from this question. Thanks. Sounds like I need to look at a few places for bids and get references. So here is my second question:

When getting a bid what should I be asking for? (Media blasting, body repairs, prime, block, reprime, color coat - how many?, stripe coat - how many?, and clear - how many?) Did I cover everything needed to ask for a bid?

I will plan on removing all trim, side markers, etc.

Here at my shop in De. our labor rate is 60.00 Hr. for resto work. I don't give estimates I only work by the hour. I'm sure that the average person can't afford that. I have two 67 Zs in my shop now from two camaro collectors. and a back log of work. I can tell you these aren't 5k restos. I wouldn't scuff and paint a car for 5k. I think its great that you try to do it your self but don't think you can read a book and buy a few tools and get the same results as some one thats been doing it all their life.

I did everything myself on my 67 resto mod so far and am damn proud of it. I learned alot, on my car. Never did this before but had some guidance. I replaced full quaters, roof skin, trunk, inner outer...you name it. I made some mistakes but corrected most. I toyed around with the idea of trying to paint it myself with my neighbors help. I decided not to go that route. No one will see the 300 spotwelds I drilled out or my fabrications or my plug welds or all the time consuming work to get things to line up, they will only see the paint when all said and done. If I had a booth and could get good equipment, I would try to learn that skill too, but i dont, so I will shell out the 5k this spring to have it done. To me its worth it cause after 2 1/2 years of restoring, I have kinda burned out and need a pro to make it look like its supposed to. Thats just me. I am a cosmetic freak and if it didnt come out right with me doing it I would do it over again.

Do as much of the stripping replacing sheetmetal yourself to cut your cost down. If you dont you will probably be dissapointed and shocked at what it will end up costing you. Shop around and see what kind of work the shops do. Get things in writing.

Good luck

I am in the process of having my 69 done now.
The shop found a lot of problems under the rust and bondo etc. I am having the shop replace most of the sheetmetal. It's a lot cheaper to replace it rather then to try and fix it. I think to be good at this type of work you need to do it often. This is why my car is in the shop.
Depending on what your having done you could be looking at anywhere from
10k to 50k. Last thing you want to do is get a great paint job and take the car home a scratch it up while trying to re-install the crome etc.

If you have the time; you should consider painting it yourself. Do some research on different paints (urethane enamel, basecoat/clearcoat). On this site alone there is a lot of information.

I have helped with painting 7 or 8 cars in my buddy's garage and my garage and one of the things I learned is that its all in the prep work. The more time spent preparing the car for paint the better the result. Be prepared to make some mistakes, but if you don't take unnecessary chances, most of the time your mistakes can be fixed with just a little work.

My theory is that part of why I like this hobby is that it always gives an opportunity to learn, provides satisfaction when you do the job yourself, and the money not spent on the paint job can be used for other items in your project. I did the prep work on the Camaro and Nova in my signature, although my perfectionist buddy says he trusts me with primer but I'm not yet ready to spray the final color. For "garage" paint jobs they didn't come out too bad. Here are a couple of pics of my Nova "garage" paint job.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/dparks69/My%20Pro%20Street%20Nova/Nova013.jpg
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/dparks69/My%20Pro%20Street%20Nova/side.jpg
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/dparks69/My%20Pro%20Street%20Nova/Nova018.jpg

If you're so inclinced you should give the paint job a try -- just my $0.02

When getting a bid what should I be asking for? (Media blasting, body repairs, prime, block, reprime, color coat - how many?, stripe coat - how many?, and clear - how many?) Did I cover everything needed to ask for a bid?

!st tell us do u have money to burn in your pocket? what u have to burn depends on how u achieve the final result.
If u have limited money
1/Strip the car, put the screws fittings for the left door in a platic bag and label, then other door, grill, bumper and so on..put these bags in containers, labeled front end , doors, front interior etc
2/ With a 4:grinder and 80 grit sanding discs rip into the paint layers till u just see the steel or factory epoxy/Zn undercoat...this makes a big diff to the cost/work of media blasting
3/once stripped contact a media blader, with folding in hand...u want it blasted down to orginal epoxy and rotten areas exposed, and sealed afterwards.
3/Now find a good Panel beater to repare any rot and war damage ...u wabrt to inspect work before any filling is done...the knowledge of what to look for is in these forums.
4/Find a good painter to finish
5/reassemble your self

I did mine (thu I did panel paint etc myself in 8 months and 11 days) including parts (chassis donunts suspebsion bushes and a host of other stuff ship across the pacific ocean, air freight) I spent $NZ16,800 20 yrs ago....even then I was about 4 grand over my estimated budget due to unforseen issues that where uncovered during strip down.

If I had just dropped it in a shop and said go for it...it would have taken 1 to 2 yrs and around the 35,000 to $N45,000...not counting the unforeseen stuff.

If u want to paint yourself...u NEED to know what u are doing and why...not think u know from books...and as said above...it is all in the prep, how to block etc....and u NEED bloody good guns etc for final coats.

About a year ago I down loaded an article by John Doyle called " How I painted my Camaro with show car results ". It is 13 pages of great info and detail. It is in fine print and would be 25 pages if it were bigger print. The most important thing you learn is how much work it takes to get a " Show Quality" finish if you have the patients and skills to attempt it. Resto shops earn what they charge and "do it your selfers" that can pull it off, deserve all the pride they get out of it. I don't remember where I found this article but it is a great piece of info. If anyone knows where it was posted please chime in. I will see if I can find a link to it later tonight.

Resto shops earn what they charge and "do it your selfers" that can pull it off, deserve all the pride they get out of it.


WELL PUT :thumbsup:



bob

About a year ago I down loaded an article by John Doyle called " How I painted my Camaro with show car results ". It is 13 pages of great info and detail. It is in fine print and would be 25 pages if it were bigger print. The most important thing you learn is how much work it takes to get a " Show Quality" finish if you have the patients and skills to attempt it. Resto shops earn what they charge and "do it your selfers" that can pull it off, deserve all the pride they get out of it. I don't remember where I found this article but it is a great piece of info. If anyone knows where it was posted please chime in. I will see if I can find a link to it later tonight.

Read everything in this sticky in this forum. The John Doyle article is linked at the bottom.

:thumbsup: Cool dude, you are right in many ways. There are many a folk out there that cannot learn a new craft, I'm just speaking about those that can, especially if they are willing.

And yes I know that catastrophic things CAN happen pertaining to body and paint, but in life there are risks that must be taken, what can you do? But then again in these threads I have read that a good body job can cost upwards in the 30k range, for that kind of money I am willing to make a few drastic mistakes and deal with the consequences. Man! can you inagine the schooling and equipment, and materials you can buy for 30k?

Like I said in my last post, even though I may see a few flaws in somebodys work on their car, if I know that they did it themselves then I admire that car a whole lot more then one that was done in a professional shop, and I am a lot less apt to point out those flaws to such an individual that took the time out and did it HIS way.

And zx401- I wasn't bashing Latinos, (did you read my disclaimer?) Yes many of them ARE good body men, I was talking about 'wage undercutting', job stealing, individuals that are here illegally working in those shops, taking work from true Americans that at least speak English.

I apoligise for the outburst, :angry: but many a time I have been unemployed and broke and struggling to keep food on my table, just to see these type of people doing the same work that I do for a fraction of the wage I made when I was working, :angry: if it ever happens to you then you too would understand. :angry: I refuse to pay the paychecks and put food on the tables of these folks to work on my American classic.............007

Where is the Doyle article you stated was at the bottom? I can't seem to find it.

Where is the Doyle article you stated was at the bottom? I can't seem to find it.

At the very bottom of this thread:
http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=74560

Is this link in big read letters:
http://camaros.net/techref/articles/ftecref010.html

I wouldn't do a full paint job on a car for less than 15k.
There is more time than most people ever realize in a show quality paint job... especially when there is no orange peel or ripples...

The best advice I can give is.... use a block as much as possible, use a long board on flat panels and finally let the sand paper do the work don't bear down so hard... it is very easy to distort a panel... the results will show in the final finish.

Just to clarify, I do not like illegal aliens either. They cost us a lot of jobs, and expenses to our government when they are not contributing to the tax base. We owned a large farm until just a few years ago, and grew tobacco. The only people you could get to help in the fields were the migrant mexican workers. They did not work cheap, but worked hard and did a good job. We were glad to get them - cause they would do the job, and they were legal.

As to the paint as I stated above if all goes well, yes you can paint your car. Do you know what to do if you get into silicone contamination? Do you know that you need to seal the surface prior to paint to keep the solvents from penetrating the substrate? Do you know that light and dark places in the substrate can cause light and dark places in the color coat? Do you know what zebra striping is and what causes it? Do you know that gun technique is different with a metallic than a solid color? I could go on, but my point is if you get into trouble do you know what to do? Material is very expensive, especially if you have to buy it twice, not to mention cleaning up the mess you made. What if you screw it up again? If you want to learn the skill, great! Learn and paint your car. It is very rewarding. But go to a tech school and learn how, not from a couple of pages in a tech sheet or a few articles in hot rod magazine, or from your best buddy who managed to paint his car. It is your money and your car, so do as you wish. Just keep in mind this ain't Krylon.

Craig;
Let me weigh in on the low end of the price range. Out of necessity I have to do as much resto work myself as I can since that is the only way I can afford to stay in this hobby.

1. No media blasting , I used a chemical stripper for 2 reasons, one is that my air compressor isn't big enough to run a DA. and beyond that it was the least expensive method left.

2. I removed all the old bondo with a heat gun I got from Harbor freight for $20 , btw it croaked when I was done with that task but again it was only $20.

3. Did my own welding on the floor and installing new left side quarter. I'm not very good at welding but I was going to grind on it and use filler so I couldn't go wrong my welds were all hidden.

4. I did my own bodywork and got it as good as I could trying to be very patient

5. For primer and paint I bought good products since I was saving some serious cabbage so far I figured I could afford to spend more on the stuff that counts.

6. Heres where I saved huge and I realize not everyone has a buddy or neighbor that has painted a number of cars , but that is exactly what I had, one of my buddies has a fairly good amount of paint experience just as a hobby. Instead of paying him I will be installing the new siding on his house next summer. Maybe you can hire an experienced painter with a home shop , maybe ask around.

7. He touched up my body filler work where ever I made a mistake and sprayed the primer at my house. He has no paint booth but a nice shop with good light and we cleaned it as well as we could to keep the dust down. We both wet sanded the primer and later the clear coat he did all the spraying.

So my only expense was materials and that was around $ 900.
there are a few small flaws but its not a trailer queen anyway.

jr68 is absolutly right, you CAN trade a trade for a trade that you know how to do, for example I am a plumber and I put the word out that I need something done on my Camaro, and before I know it there is always somebody around that needs plumbing done that knows how to do paint or auto body or anything else on restorations.

And as for not having a problem with a few flaws in a paint job? I am the same way about it. I just want a decent paint job that
pretty much holds up through time, and one that I dont' have to always worry about getting scratched or some stupid kid putting his fingerprints on etc...

As for the totally restored Camaros that are concours quality? Heck there is ALWAYS somebody building one or has built one, and I know that I can always go to car shows to see them if I want, but to me these cars were meant to be driven, and driven hard and all the time, not stuck on a trailer and dusted off with a diaper every two weeks, I really have no use for those kind of cars.

I love to be on the roads and seeing classic cars being driven(and it doesn't matter what kind of car they are, although I prefer Camaros) day to day. Whats the use of restoring a Camaro and not using it for what it was intended for?..........007

I also do my own body work/paint drive line....Im an Industrial chemist by trade, and now in IT...like the post above, If I need specialist work done like wheel alignments I fix a computor, build them one..

Also like the post above I use our Camaro near everyday, for work , shopping, towing my other classics on a transporter, and camping in the sand hills...
About every 7 yrs I get the welder out, Patch the little bubbles starting to show, re paint and ship in the few bits in peices that have died over that time, a fan switch, heater motor etc.
I must admit I can lay down a pretty straight pain job...and accept a few door chips in the parking lot is fair wear and tear...I dont win prizes at show and shines, but she presents well.
In the early days, I garaged her...I dont know why but I had more rot in the panels appear earlier than just using her.

Before starting a project u must decide what u are going to use the car for.

I wish you lived nearby me, I could sure use your paint talent. Your Camaro is the kind I really prefer to see out on the roads, in fact some of the best Camaros I have ever seen IMO is on the roads and not in car shows. When I go to the shows I can see rows upon rows of Camaros, and none really pop out to me as awesome (well sure they are nice, and congratulations to those who worked their butts off on them) but when I see a decent one on the roads I not only see the car but I see pride in ownership, just by looking at the car and the driver as a whole. At least they are DRIVING it! It's a car, not a fancy paperweight.

It's not the car shows that motivate me to get working on my Camaro, it's when I see one on the road that makes a voice in the back of my head says"FINISH ME UP!!!! LET'S GET ROLLIN!!!!!" and that voice originates from my garage.



When I am finished with my Camaro, I will probably enter into a few local shows, but I can guarentee you it won't be flawless, I will just be there to share these awsome classics, and just have fun.......................007

Yes Any Body Can Paint A Car Okay I Have Stopped Laughing If You Have Money To Burn Start Priceing Matirial Primers And Paint

You have a point there BARRY A, I DO know what all the materials are going to cost. I have a trade myself and the materials cost a lot also, but you need to know how to do my trade, just like a paint and auto body guy knows how to do his trade.

All I'm sayaing is that it really looks intimidating when you are a mere novice. But for the money that a person can put into a body shop to do a decent job, that money could be well spent in learning how to do it if need be.

If I had a dime for every time somebody told me that I could not learn how to do paint and body, I would then have enough to pay somebody to do it.

When I first started learning my trade, I just could not imagine me knowing all that I needed to know to do my job today, but now I look back and it all comes second nature to me.

Nobody is ever too old to learn a new trick. When I set my mind to it I can learn anything I want, if I want it bad enough

Even if I pay full price for materials and equipment, I would still come out ahead of the game 'cause then at least I learned something new that I may end up being good at, and thus something else for my resume in the future...........007

:rolleyes: PS- Keep laughing.......You must be a paint and body guy yourself, if so don't be afraid of somebody else learning your trade.

I have done a number of jobs in my garage. The biggest problem is the dirt. I have filers in doors and an exhaust fan, I pressure wash the walls and floor, keep the floor wet, seal up the room, and still get some dirt in the paint. Most can be colored sanded out, though.
After all the body work is completed, I apply an etching epoxy primer followed by four to five coats of catylized primer/surfacer. That is blocked sanded with 80 grit paper. Another two to three coats of p/s followed with 3Ms guide coat. That is blocked sanded with 180 grit paper. If all is well and no further p/s is required, another two coats of p/s is applied and then block water sanded with 400 grit. A sealer coat can be applied and then about three coats of color and that is followed by about 5 coats of uerathane clear (base coat/clearcoat). That is power water sanded with 1500 grit, hand sanded with 2000 grit, buffed out with 3000 grit compound, then power water sanded with 4000 grit. That is followed with a machine glaze using a foam pad. It is show quality and looks like water sitting on the paint. A lot of work but worth it. Can a beginner do all of this competently? I have seen beginners buff right through new paint, or burn it because they really did not know what they were doing. You will make mistakes, but if you are willing to live with them and/or correct them, go for it. Good luck.

I paid 4100.00 for my paint job. No way could I have ever done nearly the quality of job I paid for mine. I could not have even bought the equipment and paint for that price. I have done everything else to the car, but they did it in 6 weeks. I like being able to do all of my own stuff, but a poor paint job can take a while to show itself, and I wasn't willing to eat a mistake that big at this time. I figure I was able to start driving it a year earlier than I might otherwise have done by letting a professional do the job. :)

...they did it in 6 weeks. I like being able to do all of my own stuff, but a poor paint job can take a while to show itself, and I wasn't willing to eat a mistake that big at this time. I figure I was able to start driving it a year earlier than I might otherwise have done by letting a professional do the job. :)

Craig, thats one drawback I did not mention, from primer to final buffing of the clear coat took one year mostly since It was hard to schedule time to work on the car at the same time and my painter trying to work around his personal schedule and shift work, and being an electrician did many side jobs that took up some of his free time. Boy the wheels of progress move slowly.

Brackneyc- You got lucky on that one, I guess I could force myself to have a paint and body job for that much.

But it's like rolling the dice when it comes to finding a good shop that will do it for that much, believe me- I'm still looking.........007

Brackneyc- You got lucky on that one, I guess I could force myself to have a paint and body job for that much.

But it's like rolling the dice when it comes to finding a good shop that will do it for that much, believe me- I'm still looking.........007


Yeah, my price was a bit lower :) than a lot of jobs I have seen. My paintjob was one of those deals where I could have paid much more than I did, and still been happy. I actually had many of the tools (since returned) to do the paint job myself; then decided to have it done. I basically chickened out.

I know that when I go to a show, I never look at a paintjob and wonder who did it. I look at the cars (at shows, or on the street) as a whole. If a guy tells me he did it himself, I think that's cool, but I am one of those guys however that doesn't really care one way or the other. I don't see it as anymore enjoyable to own/drive one way or the other.

I would have bought one already done if I'd had the money. To have the money to buy one already done in this day and age says something about you (must be doing pretty good at life) that is just as good as being able to say you painted it yourself. :) A long as you are good at something in life, that should be consolation enough when you cruise your ride. :)

You are right in many ways, it is going to take a lot for me to chicken out of doing it myself, but there is still the possibility that I will, lol.........007

"I never look at a paintjob and wonder who did it."

I would have to say that you are not looking at the right paint jobs...

Sure you don't

"I never look at a paintjob and wonder who did it."

I would have to say that you are not looking at the right paint jobs...

Well, I'm not at Barrett Jackson, if that's what you mean. When I go to shows, I don't look at the cars wondering if the owner did the work. I don't care if you believe that or not. I cannot tell the difference between a 5000.00 and a 10,000.00 dollar paint job. if you can, that's great.

I guess maybe I'm not looking at the right paint jobs. Whatever that means.

theres one red first gen that i see at local car shows, he has 15,000 into his paint job. His car is unbelievable straight, I have looked the car over for 10 min and can't even find a single flaw. it really is unbelievable what people will spend on these cars. I say if it makes you happy then I'm happy. :yes:

A straight paint is all in the blocking, and the 1st gen camaro is by far the fastest and easiest of all cars I have paint , to get dead straight.
This is because of the long panels with slight curves, using 12 and 18" flexable blocks...and not many small cnrs like the rear panel, even these are good in this respect to other cars.

The next important part is to get the top coats to flow.

my last paint on the Camaro, materials, down to the last sheet of sandpaper, roll of masking tape, came to $NZ983 using 2 pots (exchange rate to US x 0.68)
Panel work minor rust bubbles in usual places like around wheel wells etc took about 4 days, no rush...2 if I was a pro.
1st hi build undercoat and block about 10 man hrs
2nd and 3rd about 6 to 8 man hrs each
Laying on coats about an hr by the time one has mixed and cleaned down guns

If have to wetsand buff clear cause hasnt flowed one can right off 2 days.
Cleaning/polishing trim etc 2 days
Reassembly 2 to 3 days..if everything has been dumbie fitted before hand.

To get this done at the local shop...as a stand job.(not a 'super specialist' )and lower std than I get, quotes range from $NZ6000 to $8000, not including cleaning of trim.