So, anyways i think the carb problem might be solved; It will take probably a week to find out---because i have wait till the tank runs down and then fill the tank up and then see how many miles i've traveled etc.

So i think, in the mean time i should move on to the body:

How do i take care of the following? NOTE: i don't think it's rusted all the way through.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g110/eletrikal/IM000473.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g110/eletrikal/IM000474.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g110/eletrikal/IM000477.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g110/eletrikal/IM000480.jpg

NOTES:
1) i will probably paint the car completely after these spots are fixed if this has any bearing on your answer. My goal is not to make everything "perfect", but to make everything look acceptable for sale from like 15-20 feet away.

a) if i did not want to paint the car, then how would this (if at all) change your answers?

2) I have never, ever done any bodywork whatsoever in my life. So, if you could keep the answers real simple and detailed that would be cool.
Also, if you could explain the tools i might need that would also be very cool.

Thanx.

I've never seen a camaro that looked like that!!!

I've never seen a camaro that looked like that!!!

Ditto, I think the rust makes it a total loss.

Junk it and buy a real Camaro! Or pass on your attitude on a monte carlo site.

Stewart,

Give the technical thread at the top of this forum a read.... http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=74560
Several members have tackled this kind of body work and explained it for all to see. Read this forum. It's all about how to go about working with rusted parts and how to prep them for paint. It's been gone over and explained many, many times.

Good luck with the car!

Yeah, i was reading a little of that and it's pretty good.

But where, exactly, does it talk about rust spots?

do a search for "por15"

Thank you for the link. This is what i like----information.

So, do you feel i should apply the por15 first and then strip the paint? Or strip the paint and then apply 15 and then paint?

Do you recommend, given the above info, that i use por 15 vs. grinding the rust down. If so, why?

The other problem you have is you are going to have to remove the moldings to get to the rust under them. See the door, rear quarter window, and the rear windshield?

All the moldings, and possibly, the windows would have to come out. Deep rust, not surface. You might have to have it sand blasted to white metal. But then the risk of blowing a hole through the existing sheet metal.

As others suggest, remove most rust with a wire brush and treat with POR-15.

Good luck. The rear package tray doesn't look too good either.

So, are you saying that the rust spots are too deep and thus too risky to attempt to sandblast or grind out?

And that i should just put this 'por15" stuff on?

Again, my goal, being that this is my first body project, is to just have the car look presentable from say 15-20feet away. I'm not going for the knockout $3,500 paint job.

There's no way of knowing that without getting in there and investigating. Rust can fool you VERY easily. What looks like surface rust can easily be a LOT further along than you think.
Either way, you're going to need to remove trim and such to PROPERLY repair any of that rust. You're going to need to remove the trim just to see how deep and how far the rust goes.

Do a forum search and you'll find all the answers.

yikes, looks a lil too risk'a for a first timer to tackle.. just my 2 cents

If a knockout paint job costs $3500.00, I would think that most Camaro paint jobs would cause major fatalities:D

Uh-Oh- better get Macco.

Personally, ...I wouldn't tackle it, ...it's not going to be worth it.
I wouldn't even consider fixing it 'right' ie. removing the trim, etc. to get to all the rust in the areas, ...you'll get well over your head in work, time, money, etc.
If you want to 'clean it up', ...go ahead, ...get the POR, or other rust inhibitor, ...but again, ...keep in mind the rust you see is only half of what's there...

OK, my goal for this project is to simply make it "acceptable" for sale from about 15-20 feet away.

I could sell it now and get $1000 for it. I know this because peoples was fighting over it. I, however, got lucky/held out/ negotiated/bargained whatever you want to call it and got it cheaper. I think the owner took a shine (no pun intended) to me. She is, shall we say, and "older" woman. Her name is Ruth. Now, when was the last time anyone named their daughter Ruth? You get what i'm trying to say here?

So, anyways i could sell it. But that's not the point; I'm trying to learn here.
The goal is to learn about bodywork, get it acceptable looking from 20-25 feet away and sell it. I'm not trying to make a profit here although that is actually a possibilty because for some reason people go ape-sht over monte carlos (even the new ones). And thus, you can pretty much name your price and pretty much get it.

I'm not trying nessesarily to "fix" the rust, just trying to make it look "good." If there's rust underneath the trim, i don't care. If i make a hole, i will patch it. (i think?)

The goal for this project is not this:
http://camaros.net/techref/articles/ftecref010.html

[QUOTE=Stewart G. Griffin;683507]

I'm not trying nessesarily to "fix" the rust, just trying to make it look "good." If there's rust underneath the trim, i don't care.


Stewart, most TCers here fix/repair things right, i dont think anyone would want to give pointers if you are only wanting to repair something half fast, i understand you only care to see it from 25 feet away, but would it really cost you that much more to do it right? you say everyone in your area (where ever that is) goes ape-# over monte carlos? then if thats the case, if you can name your price..(as you said) "pretty much name you price",as stated above',then it shouldn't be problem to fix it right..and you will also learn the right way to fix it a win win situation.

OK, my goal for this project is to simply make it "acceptable" for sale from about 15-20 feet away.

I could sell it now and get $1000 for it. I know this because peoples was fighting over it. I, however, got lucky/held out/ negotiated/bargained whatever you want to call it and got it cheaper. I think the owner took a shine (no pun intended) to me. She is, shall we say, and "older" woman. Her name is Ruth. Now, when was the last time anyone named their daughter Ruth? You get what i'm trying to say here?

So, anyways i could sell it. But that's not the point; I'm trying to learn here.
The goal is to learn about bodywork, get it acceptable looking from 20-25 feet away and sell it. I'm not trying to make a profit here although that is actually a possibilty because for some reason people go ape-sht over monte carlos (even the new ones). And thus, you can pretty much name your price and pretty much get it.

I'm not trying nessesarily to "fix" the rust, just trying to make it look "good." If there's rust underneath the trim, i don't care. If i make a hole, i will patch it. (i think?)

The goal for this project is not this:
http://camaros.net/techref/articles/ftecref010.html

You are talking in circles... Sounds to me like you got stuck with a POS and are trying to polish the turd so you can sell it and break even. There is no value, zip, zero, none in making rust look good or learning how to unless the plan is to be deceptive...

You know, "dennis" you are really thinking too hard lately.

If you would please read again, carefully, my purpose is not to make a profit.

The purpose, now, for this car is to learn; I've already learned about the idle mixture screws on the quadrajet and i think the mileage is improving.

I've also learned how to keep lights from flickering on and off.

Stop thinking so much, man.

you should have taken the $1000.

[QUOTE=Stewart G. Griffin;683507]
If there's rust underneath the trim, i don't care.

if there is rust underneath the trim and you sell it that way, cause you don't care" your plan is to be deceptive..you say the car is for you to learn? learning on how to not fix it the right way, how are you learning? learning how to fix it half fast and to sell it, so it can be someone elses problem? how are you learning? learn to fix something right.. not to sell junk

You people are really something else.

I'ts my car----i WILL fix it my way.

I'm not trying to be deceptive----i've got pictures of it all up on the net in it's present state.

I'm telling you again, i'm trying to learn how to do bodywork.

I will tell the prospective buyer of the rust and show pictures.

Are you saying Earl Schieb is a thief? I don't see you filing any lawsuits.

2. OK, i can see why you camaro guys might be little mad---because you guys got unibodies and you NEED to fix the rust right or else the car will fall apart.
This, being a monte carlo, the body panels are not structurally dependant. So it really doesn't matter if the rust is 'fixed properly." I have a frame---you don't.

POST CLOSED.
I've got enough information. It's my car and i'll fix it the way i think will be suitable.

Thanks for everyone that gave me information.

To the others: I requested that we not joke around about beer, but i'm thinking you really need one--or two or five. You're getting worked up over nothing and you're thinking waaaaay too much. Also, read #2.

Stewart - thinking comes natural for me, I don't sweat when I think or get headaches or even get tired... Typically reading something will kick off a new thought process, I can actually multi-thread think... Like I said you talk in circles. You make 2 statements and they contradict each other.

You want to learn to make rust look better? Think about that for a second? Just what is to be gained by doing that? you already said to make the car look better from a distance! And why did you say that? Because you want to sell the car!! Oh no! that's right you said it was for the learning experience!!

There are folks falling over themselves to get the car but the seller liked you so she let you bargan her down in price!! Come on! now you're going to make the rust look better!! see above.

If you are not yanking folks chains here for your own pleasure you have problems... If you are yanking chains, now is the time to stop doing so. Think real hard on that a bit, maybe it will sink in!!

[QUOTE=Stewart G. Griffin;683627]
You people are really something else.---yes we are, you can't find people any better then here, and helpful.
I'ts my car----i WILL fix it my way.--true.

I'm not trying to be deceptive----i've got pictures of it all up on the net in it's present state.---thats good to hear, you will be truthful that was my point.
2. OK, i can see why you camaro guys might be little mad---because you guys got unibodies and you NEED to fix the rust right or else the car will fall apart.--i don't think anyones mad. my Camaro has issues and i drive it that way, i hope it doesn't fall appart.:o


I have a frame---you don't.--ok?

POST CLOSED.-- you don't have the power to do that..:p


To the others: I requested that we not joke around about beer, but i'm thinking you really need one--or two or five.--YES or wine..

but no one is worked up. over a post like yours. it just didn't make sense

Facts:
1) i could sell the car now and make maybe $100-300 dollars "profit."
I don't WANT to do that.

2) I want to see how to fix or at least make better rust spots and learn how to paint a car. I am willing to lose money on the car, because after i buy all the tools---i don't even have a compressor yet, i probably will lose money.

3) I am not trying to "restore" the car. Anyone with $3,4,or 5K who is buying a 27 yr old monte carlo is not going to be fooled by any "supposed" attempt to be "deceptive." I say i want the car to look good from 15-25 feet away. What's going to stop a prospective buyer from walking up close, using magnets, asking questions etc.?

Now, if you "think" i'm trying to cheat someone that is bogus. But it is your right do so.

And you thought I was demanding. Maybe You're the one who needs to chill.

P.S. If wine is what it takes, go for it.

P.S.S. :
Maybe this will help clear things up:
This is what i'm trying to do, initially:

http://www.instructables.com/id/EXPF54WOGEERV7C10L/?ALLSTEPS


By the way, you could all perhaps follow him as an example for giving more detail.

By the way, you could all perhaps follow him as an example for giving more detail.

Or they can continue to comment as they have been and not as you say. The site costs you nothing to post, and no one here gets paid to answer your questions. However, most folks ask politely and are willing to help themselves do things right. You're not one of those folks.

If your looking for advice to make repairs like the ones in that link.Your at the wrong place. What a joke.:clonk::clonk::clonk:
http://static2.instructables.com/pub/FYD/6RDP/FYD6RDPV04ERV7C0V3.medium.jpg


Your questions are body related,not Camaro specific.Try www.autobodystore.com. They may have more patience with you.

You need to read more carefully; I said that was what i was looking for initially. If i can find a way to match the paint, i will. If i can't i'll repaint the whole car. Plus, i did say 15-25 feet.

But he did show, step-by-step, how to repair rust spots which more than i can say for..........


I think the joke may be on you.

I'll see you later. I'm going to work now.

"But he did show, step-by-step, how to repair rust spots which more than i can say for.........."

I do paint and body for a living.Have for fifteen years.You honestly think im going to sit here and write out a step by step guide with pictures for a buffoon like yourself to fix a piece of crap car to pawn off on some poor old lady. Get a life.

EI YIE YIE!! This guy seems to know three words; carefully, sell, and 15-25 :D . There is no way to "fix" rust. You can only remove it. If you put por-15 on that thing all you'll have is a big different colored eye sore (unless POR has found a way to do all different body colors).

These folks are awesome. Many of them give up time out of their day to answer your contradictory, yes contradictory statements ( I read your posts very carefully). Also, DjD has put a lot of time and energy into this site so try to show the man a little respect. I realize that some people need to get on an online board and attack people so they feel better about themselves. You seem to be one of those people. Prove those you have insulted wrong by apologizing. Then maybe you can get the answers you are looking for.

Just my .02. I just had to say something. All anyone is asking for is a little respect.

Also let me add that since we're not paid for this, we should not have to read so carefully to understand what you are trying to say. Next time rethink your wording and approach the situation in a different light.

Stewart - You said you didn't want to repair the rust, just make it look better.... Your example is not what you asked for. Your example may not be a glamor repair but it is indeed a functional repair of the rust. Again read what you have asked, you wanted to cover the rust up not fix and remove it so it doesn't come back!

Here you dictate (with a please no less) how you want folks to reply when helping and you can't take the time to communicate in a way others will understand you! If you truly want to repair and stop the rust you need to say that and leave out all the filler material about a lady named Ruth taking a shine to you and nobody naming their child today using that name... Same with all the stuff about learning and selling etc.

Read what's gone on here, the issue of rust repair has gone by the way side. You said so much about nothing that pertains to the problem you want resolved. Combine that with your other post "The step by step how to reply to Stewart when he asks for help" and you see what you get!

You came to a classic car forum where people spend anywhere from $5000 - $50,000 or more on their cars paint and the restorations. Why would you expect to find someone willing to offer advice on "How to repair rust for under $50" here?

I'm really not trying to be rude with you (I'm sure you feel different), you just don't seem to listen until someone get you fired up... Do yourself a favor, stop watching cartoons and go take a body-shop class at your local community college. Same thing for the mechanical stuff. Then once you have had something presented to you and you are struggling with an aspect of it come back here and ask a question straight out. Don't fart around with everyones patience, post a straight forward question. "Hi guys, I was told I need weld through primer to do this repair properly and I don't understand the difference in weld through and other primer. Can someone explain it to me?" You'll find this place very helpful under those conditions.

The people on this site are not looking for or practicing in ways to cover up problems and make them look better. We are here to learn and teach how to properly fix problems so that they do not return or cause other problems on down the road. Many of us have purchased cars that have had questionable work done in the past and have learned that you need to make the proper repair the first time or you or the next owner will be fixing your repair again. If you want to learn how to fix things properly the people here will advice you of their best recommendations. If you want to learn how to be a shady used car salesman then you will not get the advice you are looking for on this site. If you want to learn how to be a respectable used car sales man and fix things properly the people here will help you. But to learn and do the job properly you will have to remove and treat all of the rust, even the rust that you can not see. Rust if left untreated will spread in a short time and make all of your time and work useless.

Simple instruction so 5 year olds can under stand. Rust never sleeps, it keeps on being rust and always will be rust no matter what you do to it. The only thing you can do with rust is remove it completely IE most of the time cut it out and replace with new metal in it's place, then the rust is gone and the repair completed for the rust only. There is much more to do after cutting out the rust and putting in new metal. Buy some welding equipment before you get your compressor you will need it first. The compressor stuff can all be done by hand or rattle can. You want step by step instructions on how to weld, take a class and learn, it's the only way. Same thing with body work. It's that or be willing to make mistakes and learn for yourself or get friends that live near you to help you if they know how to. If you wan to learn, learn to do it the right way. If your selling the car and don't know what your doing, I hardly think you would be decieving anyone but a blind man at this point.