View Full Version : Looking for a good Disk Kit..
Mav68erick Jan 17th, 07, 06:53 PM Any recomendations on a full disk brake kit? Im not looking to spend to much but I dont want cheap I sorta want middle or above avg. Just for the street fronts for sure and something that would work with stock suspension and would it work with tubular control arms like Global west in the future?... Also looking for rears to since the drums were junk on it from setting outside for almost 20 years, and I dont see sense in spending money on new when I want 4 wheel disk in the future. And possibly with a booster Ive seen a few different kinds that are either huge or small, Im looking and prolly the smaller kind.. or would it affect braking alot more?
Thx.
Carbo Jan 17th, 07, 08:23 PM Wilwood makes a nice brake system. They offer a wide variety of choices.
http://wilwood.com/
HI_67RS Jan 19th, 07, 08:43 PM Mav68erick,
You can try Classic Perfomance Products. I bought power front disc brakes from them and they work perfectly fine. (They stop on a dime) They came with a 11" booster, loaded calipers, line kit, and slotted crossed drilled rotors. All for $750. They were the cheapest that I could find. I also saw Summit racing selling brake kits.
JimM Jan 19th, 07, 09:04 PM After a LOT of studying, I have a complete manual 4 wheel disk wilwood system on order. I did NOT want a power system, I like the feel of manual, and a properly designed manual system (this should be one) can stop very very well. Had a 69 vette with manual disks, nicest brake system I ever drove, good fell, easy to modulate, and stopped like it hit a wall. I hope it gets here soon.
here's basically 3 types of brake systems out there.
Cheapest is 69 style single piston disks. These will fit in most any wheel & work best with a booster. Bling factor is minimal, but stopping power is fine.
Most of the big brake kits are based on late model GM stuff. These typically have 13" rotors and need 17" wheels, tho there are some with 12" rotors. A lot of people who post here have trouble with the e-brakes. These systems were designed for power boosters and do not work well manual. You'd need a tiny master bore to get enough pressure, and the tiny bore doesn't have enough volume to work em.
The Wilwood system is unique, yet it's basically a copy of the original corvette 4 wheel disk system, with fixed 4 piston calipers and separate drum ebrake in the rear rotor hats. Tho these are racing systems, they are said to work well on the street if you get the right setup, lotsa variables and choices.
clwilcox33 Jan 19th, 07, 09:28 PM Jim, did you look at the Baer systems when making your choice? If you did, did you decide on the Wilwoods based solely on price or was there another selling point for the W's?
JimM Jan 20th, 07, 07:21 AM Yes, I looked hard at the Baer and SSBC and similar systems, and spent many many hours studying and reading.
Bottom line was the fact that I'm insisting on a manual system. A power booster can make up for a lot of sins in caliper piston / master piston size choices. You can size the master to produce the needed volume and let the booster supply the pressure.
Note that ALL modern cars have power boosters, there are no exceptions. These systems were designed from the get go to be power assisted. Most who've tried to run manual have had trouble... either a very hard pedal or simply not being able to move enough fluid to apply/release the brakes properly.
E-Brakes too. I run a stick shift car and require a properly working ebrake. Do you have any idea how many posts are in the archives from people trying to get 79 trans am, 80's seville, or "ls1" caliper ebrakes to work right? There are dozens, going back many years.
Price was a factor too. The "australian OEM caliper based systems are gawdawful expensive, well over a grand per end, for what amounts to an assortment of OEM parts and a couple of custom brackets. Plus most of them won't fit in my 16" front rims.
I hope I end up happy with my choice. Haven't even seen them yet, so we'll see. I have high hopes. If nothing else, it is a fully "aftermarket" racing grade "system" designed to be manual. It also helped that just before I ordered, they released a specific "staggered shock" rear kit and a new ebrake cable kit which hopefully will clip into the original frame brackets and hook to the original intermediate cable.
Pricing was fabulous. GP Superstore did me good, and what I've paid for the entire system including master, flex hoses, ebrake hookup, everything but hardlines, would barely buy one end of a Bear kit.
67pat Jan 20th, 07, 07:47 AM After a LOT of studying, I have a complete manual 4 wheel disk wilwood system on order. I did NOT want a power system, I like the feel of manual, and a properly designed manual system (this should be one) can stop very very well. Had a 69 vette with manual disks, nicest brake system I ever drove, good fell, easy to modulate, and stopped like it hit a wall. I hope it gets here soon.
here's basically 3 types of brake systems out there.
Cheapest is 69 style single piston disks. These will fit in most any wheel & work best with a booster. Bling factor is minimal, but stopping power is fine.
Most of the big brake kits are based on late model GM stuff. These typically have 13" rotors and need 17" wheels, tho there are some with 12" rotors. A lot of people who post here have trouble with the e-brakes. These systems were designed for power boosters and do not work well manual. You'd need a tiny master bore to get enough pressure, and the tiny bore doesn't have enough volume to work em.
The Wilwood system is unique, yet it's basically a copy of the original corvette 4 wheel disk system, with fixed 4 piston calipers and separate drum ebrake in the rear rotor hats. Tho these are racing systems, they are said to work well on the street if you get the right setup, lotsa variables and choices.
I did similar except I stayed with the drums on the rear/disc on the front and stayed manual as well cause I like the feel of manual brakes too!.My car stops great I bought the disk kit from Classic industries it was a very good,complete and relatively easy install.I rebuilt the drums from the backing plate out.Blasted the backing plates and repaint,new wheel cylinders and spring kits and they work great.I highly recommend a new stainless steel line kit...I dont know this for fact but I think alot of my original brake problems...pulling to one side,poor braking in general was brought about by the corrosion and old fluid build-up in the old lines.
clwilcox33 Jan 20th, 07, 07:57 AM Thanks Jim and Pat. I'm a ways out from making decisions on brakes, but it's good to have a game plan ;)
Mav68erick Jan 20th, 07, 08:09 PM whats the website for the Classic Products.. I keep getting some bowling site.
Mav68erick Jan 20th, 07, 08:16 PM I found it..
http://www.classicperform.com/Store/1967_1979_Chevy_Camaro/67FRBKS.htm
whats everyones opinion on this? rotors are prolly what 11"?
JimM Jan 20th, 07, 08:29 PM that is your basic oem single piston kit. Fronts are factory for 69 thru the 70's GM cars, floating single piston calipers, 11" rotors. Rears are hard to tel in the lil pic, either 79 Trans Am or 80's seville. I think I see ebrake cables, ask em about that.
Mav68erick Jan 20th, 07, 08:49 PM drop spindles good or bad? lower the cars center of gravity it claims it helps steering and handling. For now Im going with stock front suspension just to get the car on the road, and then plan do something with the control arms via tubulars or that mod.. Dunno Ive never driven the car or been in anything that old to really understand what its like to steer it, of course ill be getting powersteering.
JimM Jan 20th, 07, 08:59 PM Most of us don't use drop spindles. The suspension is happier using lowering springs with standard spindles. Also sometimes the drop spindles will put the tie rod end into the rim if you're running 14 or 15" rims.
67pat Jan 20th, 07, 11:00 PM Dont know if you are lowering all over or just the front,but I think I've about decided on the hotchkis kit for 1 st gen camaros. Front 2" drop springs,1.5" 3-leaf reardrop springs with front and rear sway bar kits...heard good stuff about it from all who have it...just a thought
james rice Jan 21st, 07, 08:44 AM Call Camaro Specialties in NC. The have the complete system for $650.00 bucks. Ask for Mike. I buy all my parts from him and the service is great.
Phone # 704-391-0261.
jving Jan 21st, 07, 09:45 AM Look up Matt's classic bowties on E-Bay,they have a four wheel disc system,complete with booster,master cylinder,brake lines,spindles and rotors are pre assembled,proportioning valve.It's worth taking a look at,it sells for 1100.00 plus 100.00 shipping,unless you're going show car,this system should be just as good as the Baer and Winwood,plus a lot cheaper.
Mav68erick Jan 21st, 07, 10:23 AM cool thx.. I really want Fronts and since I dont have any sort of rear brakes I dont see spending the money for Drums when for a few extra hundred dollars I can get 4 wheel.
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