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i see alot of hurst shifters for sale on ebay. they are always advertised as Z28 shifters. are these shifters also used in SS's? im assuming the shifters for muncies are not the same as the ones for saganaws, correct?

thanks
angel
 
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http://www.camaros.org/trans.shtml#Shifters

All 1969 4 speeds used the Hurst supplied shifter. I would advertise them as Z28 or COPO shifters if I some to sell also. ;)
BB engines use a different mounting bracket though.

[ 08-31-2004, 07:17 AM: Message edited by: Gary L ]
 
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The levers that bolt to the tranny are different for a Saginaw tranny vs a Muncie. Rods and attachment bracket are different depending on engine/trany combo. BB is different from SB because of the BB being off-center as compared to SB.

The shifter mechanisim box and stick is the same regardless of the tranny or engine.

Back in the old days the 69 Camaro was one of the only applications where the Hurst aftermarket replacement shifter kit did not use the Hurst supplied mounting bracket. Most of the other applications used the Hurst supplied universal mounting bracket. The instalation instruction sheet told you to use the original GM 69 Camaro only mounting bracket. The instalation kits Hurst sells today for the 69 Camaro now come with a 2 piece bracket setup to use if you do not have the original GM piece in hand.

-Mark.
 
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If you notice, parts that are common to all 69 camaros are sometimes advertised as COPO,Z/28, or SS. People use that to make the items seem more valuable. It irritates me to death some times, but there are some people that fall for it.

TZ
 
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even more is finding a part on a Monte or something, that is common to Camaro. Buy a 70 Monte tilt wheel cheap, and sell a 69 Camaro tilt wheel for big bucks!!

I really hate the "removed from a 69 Camaro SS big block." I've particularly seen that with shifters. "Removed from" does not mean "original to"!!

Or "fits" 69 Camaro. A 70 chevelle steering wheel shroud will physically fit a 69 Camaro, but they are different.
 
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Since nobody has mentioned it yet, thought I would chime in here. The shifter for the 69 cars is a Hurst 3138 body with the 5325 round handle. The handle has a slip in yoke rather than the ones that bolt through the handle as done in the aftermarket hurst shifters. If you see that adjusting bolt sticking out of the midway point on the case, or a flat handle that is bolted to the body, then its the wrong shifter for the 69 Camaro or Firebird. Original shifters should run you around 400.00 to 500.00 on eBay if they are complete. However.....I have seen them as high as 700.00 when they have all the right shift rods, bolts, and clips with them. The 3138 cases are also date coded right on the side under the patent numbers.

I have some pictures of mine which was correctly restored in case you need to see pictures. If so just let me know.

Graeme
 
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Graeme- thanks for the part #s on the hurst for 69 camaros and firebirds, turns out after reading your thread and checking my box of old shifters theres a #3138 , NO adjustment bolt and the patent # has a stamped set of numbers that I can't decode , if you could share with me what the following stand for 0600612M . THE Body is a comp with a round chrome handle that slides in to its slot, with hurst . Don't have rods connected , my be in box if I new which ones :confused: have pixs BUT new to site and havn't got download figured out yet. thanks mark
 
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68-9 Camaro Firebird OEM & Aftermarket HURST Shifter Facts

  • The original 68-9 factory 4-speed HURST Competition Plus shifter housing is the same physical dimension as any other Hurst shifter. The only parts that separate any Hurst Shifter into a specific model car is the internal cam lever’s, shift rod lengths & shift levers design, handle yokes (slip in or bolt on), the angle of the yoke, the different stick handles and the transmission mounts arrangements. The various configuration offered by Hurst allowed the 3138 and other shifter boxes to mount in any car on any transmission/engine combination. But the 1st generation Camaro’s has a yoke totally unique in comparison to any other offered by Hurst.
  • OEM’s Round stick #5325, simply slips into the yoke and is held fast by a tang.

  • Aftermarket Rectangular stick 68-9 Camaro Firebird HURST #538-7436 bolts onto its yoke, (Last 4 Bolded Numbers are most important to look for on the stick).

  • Both sticks are raked back five inches by bending it 10 degrees initially and than 35 degrees more a few inches up its length to maintain HURST’s classic 45 degree kicked back feel and look. Both sticks are also tilted 20 degrees towards the driver in two 10-degree stages.
  • OEM shifter housing is stamped 3138 on the forward facing side of the housings. The box and all its linkage is Cadmium plated, its appearance is Silver with a slight blue hue in color, a dead giveaway.
    • As with all HURST shifters the year, model, ID is determined by the Yoke and handle inserted/bolted into and its shifter rods.
    • OEM shifter boxes do not have a MFR part or casting number, see AIM Page M20-A4, A5, and A6 for individual GM component part numbers.
    • All HURST shifters have patent numbers for their protection.

  • OEM Hurst Linkage 302, 350 & 396 CID
· Lever Arms 1&2 8541, 3&4 8541, Reverse 5769.
· 302 350 Rods 1&2 1876, 3&4 1885, Reverse 5765, Reverse Lockout 5773.
· 396 Rods 1&2 5775, 3&4 5777, Reverse5779, Reverse Lockout 5776.

  • A serial number on the far right of the words HURST Competition Plus was used to perform factory warranty repairs for GM, Pontiac, America Motors (Javelin & AMX) and early 1970 Mustang & Torino’s all used this 3138 housing box. The serial number has no meaning today and is NOT a date code.
  • OEM shifter housings haves two small-unthreaded 0.200 diameter holes drilled in the housings front and rear.
  • OEM drawbacks, it has vulcanized rubber on the shifter housing lever arms to reduce sound in the car. If not carefully monitored these rubber parts worn out and caused miss-shifts resulting in severe damage to the gears synchronizer engagement teeth because the synchronizer-slider never moved enough to sufficiently and fully to engage and lock in the detent position. Worst of all was the notorious kick back when the syncro-slider popped back out of gear. My friend shattered his wrist during a tire burn out at the staging lights because of this condition in 1976, the caused was worn out isolation rubber on the 1-2 Shift lever, bronze bushings inserts were the permanent cure.
  • OEM Positive aspects are, they increased your cars value.

Aftermarket

  • Aftermarket Hurst shifter housing is stamped 2083 on the forward facing side of the housings. The box and all linkage is Power Black Phosphate in color, a dead giveaway.
    • Shifter Part #391-7438 (note this number is not stamped on it anywhere, you just need to know what your looking at).
    • Installation SB Kit 68-9 includes bushings, washers, R-spring clips, bolts, mounting plate 195-0164 with spacer plate 195-4319 and,
· SB Lever Arms 1&2 105-7129, 3&4 105-7130, Reverse 105-7128.
· SB Rods 1&2 213-5307, 3&4 213-2145, Reverse 213-3691.
    • Sometimes there are other meaningless numbers also stamped on the rods, the last 4 Bolded Numbers are most important to look for.
    • A serial number on the far right of the word HURST was used to perform factory warranty repairs for the purchaser, it has no meaning today.

  • Aftermarket shifter housing have two 3/8NF-threaded holes in the housings front and rear to limit shifter travel and prevent transmission pivot arm damage during hard shifts unlike the OEM that has two small-unthreaded 0.200 diameter holes and special throw limiting cams.
  • Aftermarket drawback, it’s not as valued as the original.

  • Aftermarket Positive aspects, if setup correctly they will never be the cause sever wear to the syncro engagement teeth on the gears or sliders. They really should be worth more than OEM shifters because they reduced the possibility of damage to the transmission.

  • The shifter adapter plate mounts on the 3 bolt holes. Page M20-A3 shows the correct adapter for SB and BB arrangement.

  • To avoid impacting the console during shifts, use the correct factory shifter adapter mounting plate for a 69 Camaro as it has an adjustable slide locking nut that allows the sifter to be tilted 20 degrees forward and back. You must read and follow the instruction in and old Chilton manual or Page M20-A8 of the Assembly Instruction Manual (AIM).
a. You will need to find a 3-inch long 1/4-inch diameter rod and bend the first inch at 90 degrees.
b. If you use a ¼ bolt it must have 2-1/2 inch shank with no threads. Cut off all threads because they will affect the setup in the end. In a vice hacksaw the bolt to a length of 2-1/2 inch measured from the hex head shoulder, then using a bench grinder dome or round off the sawed edge. This will be your LOCATING GAGE TOOL “E” in the referenced instruction.

  • Something that is not stated in any text is to place TOOL “E”in to the shifter assemble to lock it up. With the shifter now locked-up and the shift rods hanging loose, position the shifter handle so it is in the center of the console hole by loosening up the 7/16” top (Item 11 part # 454950) and the right side 3/8” mounting screw (Item 3 part# 9789597), see AIM M20/A3
  • Rotate the entire locked up assembly to the desired centered position in the console hole and tighten item #3, the right side bolt first and torque it down to (25-35 Ft Pounds) than tighten the top bolt to (40-55 Ft Pounds Page M20-A3).
  • Now you can follow the Instruction Manual AIM M20/A8. If you’re like ‘Johnny 5” and need more input on Hurst, buy “Vintage Hurst Shifters” by Pete Serio on line.

  • If you get good with the OEM 3138 Competition Plus shifter housings and know which cams are in the 68-69 Camaro 3138 box you can build your own. Heartbeatcity on eBay sells the Sticks, Yokes, Rods, Levers, 3138 Housing box rebuild kits, Bushings, Transmission mounts for SB & BB.

Lastly remember 3138 was widely used box and is not an indication of Z28 ONLY. 3138 is nothing more than a box indicator number for assembly at the factory. Remember for the 1st generation Camaro the uniquely angled slip-in Yoke and is the key to its only purpose as a 68-69 Camaro component with or without a console. All the rest of the 3138 boxes are useless without knowing the numbers stamped on the original shifter stick for that box, unless your good at visually identifying the box yoke in a photo. Stay away from the boxes that do not say Competition Plus. :hurray:
 
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69Znut said:
68-9 Camaro Firebird OEM & Aftermarket HURST Shifter Facts

  • Something that is not stated in any text is to place TOOL “E”in to the shifter assemble to lock it up. With the shifter now locked-up and the shift rods hanging loose, position the shifter handle so it is in the center of the console hole by loosening up the 7/16” top (Item 11 part # 454950) and the right side 3/8” mounting screw (Item 3 part# 9789597), see AIM M20/A3

  • Rotate the entire locked up assembly to the desired centered position in the console hole and tighten item #3, the right side bolt first and torque it down to (25-35 Ft Pounds) than tighten the top bolt to (40-55 Ft Pounds Page M20-A3).
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I realize this is an old thread but just to clarify, don't you mean item #10, which is the lower aft bolt that uses the adjusting slot on the bracket, instead of item #3 in the above explanation?
Item #3 is one of the screws which mounts the bracket to the tailshaft and I fail to see how with both item #2's installed you can get any adjustability from item #3.
 
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