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Time for a new exhaust- which is best?

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Time for a new exhaust system for my 67 SS.
Is Gardner still the best?
Easy to install?
 

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#3 ·
I can't comment on the Gardner, but I have the Magnaflow transverse single on my '69 with a 350 cu in. It's quieter than expected, but I'm happy with it. I'm just finishing up my new cam install so I'm waiting to see how the sound changes.
 
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if you are after original, gardner is the very best. simple to install also. when i first bought my car 6 years ago it had flowmasters on it. As fast as i could, i took them off and dropped them off at the dump where they belong. go with gardner
 
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I have tried 2 others, not Gardner. My guess is they are still the best. Heartbeat City and D&R tail pipes aren't bent right. I know.
 
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#12 ·
Ordered the Gardner this morning.
Pretty expensive almost $900. :eek:
Should practically install itself for that price.
they did say if it did not fall right into place - I should call.
No cutting, bending, or any mods will be needed.

They build it to order, and I should have it in a few weeks.
 
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$900. Ouch!
 
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#17 ·
the other guys have a $500 system +$100 for freight.
Apparently it is difficult to install, and needs to be tweaked a bit.

It was so frustrating for a buddy of mine that he gave up, and took it to a muffler shop for them to install it - $200 (he did not have a lift)

So he spent $800 on that one about 2 years ago, and it was not as correct as this Gardner is supposed to be???
This one was $740 +100 freight + $14 for some "special clamps" that are optional but needed to be perfectly correct.
Comes with install instructions, and is supposed to lay right in place.

So - I will see when it comes, compared to that other one.
More correct, and easy to install - I will be very happy with that.

Also Gardner makes an upgraded system that is more rust resistant - another add on. -I did not get that one.
 
#18 ·
the sound of flowmaster 2 chambered mufflers is second to none. i have had them on my car for about 5 years now. still sound amazing. a beautiful rumble... but if you want correct.......gardner is the way to go...from what i hear. and yes i wish they would make stainless steel exhaust. id love to try a chambered exaust on my car.......
 
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#19 ·
the sound of flowmaster 2 chambered mufflers is second to none.............

But for the classic sound the transverse muffler is the one.:beers:
 
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#21 ·
I've had pretty good experience with the D&R exhaust, but Gardner is easily the best out there.

$900 does seem a bit high just for the system itself (you can spend more with them if you want), but it's a great product that includes great customer service from Eric and the guys. :thumbsup:
 
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In reference to the D & R exhaust system......Can anyone tell me exactly what comes with the system for a 1968 Z28.

In particular I am wondering do they send resonator eliminator pipes and the head pipes end at the input to the eliminators.......or do they send only head pipes that end at the hangers in front of the axle? I was looking at the photo in their catalog and it showed the eliminator pipes as part of the package.

I always thought that the stock OEM setup on the Z28 was for head pipes to go all the way to the hangers in front of the axle.

Thanks for any help.
 
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#26 ·
THIS Forum is named "Restoration Corner Where originality comes first".................

Where does Flowmaster or Magnaflow fit into any part of a RESTORED Camaro.

You members suggesting these other systems just "dont get it"

Jeff, Darren at www.Yenko.net did buy and install a transverse muffler system from The Parts Place on his 70 L-78 Camaro that is fairly original looking.

Having said that NOBODY else does what GARDNER offers. The only good alternative to GARDNER is having Original/NOS pieces and put your own system together.
 
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#27 ·
Jeff,
When installing it make sure it fits like it should before doing the tighten up. My muffler is a little low becuase i did the tighten up too soon.

Gardner is the best. Eric made all the shipping arrangements for me which saved me big bucks. He sent the head pipes BAX and the tail pipes and muffler via USPS.
 
#32 ·
I just received the complete Gardner system for my 67 Camaro 396.

Planning to install the system myself - sometime next week.
I have to say it was really a pleasure dealing with Eric.

Everything is packaged wonderfully, and all parts are labeled so a child could fit this thing together.
After looking at the pieces - I am not as worried about doing this myself as I was initially.

I hope I feel the same way after the install

Only one concern ...
what do you guys think of the rolled seams on the edges of this muffler - is this typical?
It seems a little sloppy but I wasn't sure what to expect.
Is this normal - or should the rolls be uniform and smooth?
 

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#33 ·
I would imagine that is how mufflers were made back in the day (and probably today). Scale production manufacturing would look to a solution that works and is fast. Seam rolling would definitely be surperior to welding using that criteria.


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#34 ·
That is why I am asking -
if they looked like this in 1967 as produced for GM - that that is exactly what I want.

But when I compared to the mufflers on my 60's Corvettes - the seams are rolled very neatly. That is why I questioned these?
 
#36 ·
I would phone Eric and ask him about the crimping, I have installed at least 6 Gardner systems and they fit great.
I put a Gardner system on a 67Z28 & (2) 1969 Z28,s and the mufflers were not crimped like that. I also have a couple of NOS GM crossflows and they are crimped almost perfect. IMO.
$900 is OK, try buying a Gardner system for a 70 Ram Air 4 Trans AM!
 
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