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Old Nov 10th, 12, 08:30 PM
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What I just don't get is why it's not illegal to sell trim tags or re-tag cars. This is basically an ID for the car just as a VIN tag is. When you re-tag a car it's fraud. Last I knew fraud was a crime.
The VIN is the only thing the law is interested in for ID purposes and they couldn't care less about the info contained on the cowl tag. Of the three years of 1st gen half of the cowl tags don't tell you any more detailed info than assembly plant, coupe/convert, paint & interior color and build week.
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The VIN is the only thing the law is interested in for ID purposes and they couldn't care less about the info contained on the cowl tag. Of the three years of 1st gen half of the cowl tags don't tell you any more detailed info than assembly plant, coupe/convert, paint & interior color and build week.
The point is it is fraud which is illegal.
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The point is it is fraud which is illegal.
Danny if the law took everything that could be used as a tool for fraud and made it illegal there would be nothing legal left...

I'm not defending the use of trim tags or repro trim tags to commit fraud, you just asked why the law hasn't stepped in and I explained why.

Imagine if you wanted to buy a car part and had to prove you owned the type of car that uses that part and that you were actually putting the part on said car...

One state out of 50 has passed a law against swapping trim tags. Maybe some day more will but it's not likely to be anytime soon, there are still states that don't share title records and the law says they are suppose to...

There are cars out there with repro trim tags that match the documented factory one that came on the car and was damaged. In a case like that it's almost like using a replacement fender...

I think the answer is to make the act of fraud and scamming have stiffer punishments and make it easier for victims to go after those that take advantage of them...
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cowl tags don't tell you any more detailed info than assembly plant, coupe/convert, paint & interior color and build week.
that is true, but an X44 or X11 coupled with a big block heater core deserves a closer look. I know of 2 X11 Yenko's that had vin (list) descrepancy's, but were very real supercars
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that is true, but an X44 or X11 coupled with a big block heater core deserves a closer look. I know of 2 X11 Yenko's that had vin (list) descrepancy's, but were very real supercars
I'm talking 1st gens... All '68's, all LOS production and early NOR production cars don't have X codes. That leaves '67s and partial production from one plant in '69 where the cowl tag provides any info to identify how the car rolled off the assembly line.
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The VIN is the only thing the law is interested in for ID purposes and they couldn't care less about the info contained on the cowl tag. Of the three years of 1st gen half of the cowl tags don't tell you any more detailed info than assembly plant, coupe/convert, paint & interior color and build week.
I'm in total agreement with you and purchased 2 ex drag cars (Gibb Nova & Scuncio Camaro) missing their TT's...because I knew the vin #'s verified their provenance. I'd never have a cowl tag made, but selling a car tag-less can prove difficult.
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I would not think a missing cowl tag on an ex race car would be an issue; at least it would not with me, if I was in the market for a race car. On the other hand a fake tag on the race car would lead to credibility issues with respect to the rest of the car in my mind.
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The Nova (#21 of 50 built)was restored back to day1 cond (non matching #'s, of course)without a TT, but only brought 50K at auction recently, but another red Gibb unrestored/barn find/no drive train, ex racer went over 100K...go figure

the Camaro is a day2 driver and not a cookie cutter style copo as I built it to drive while maintaining its racing heritage/appearance. I like it that way, but that & the missing TT could be affecting the sale. No worries though...I'm happy to keep it around
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a fake tag on the race car would lead to credibility issues with respect to the rest of the car in my mind.
agree with you on that 100%
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