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Old Dec 17th, 12, 12:06 PM
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Question Motion Car Prices in the Dumper? 1969 ZLX 1971 Chevelle-No Buyers Ebay

The current owner from NJ keeps listing these cars over and over on Ebay. Hes been lowering the reserve but no biters on the Hook. The 71 Motion Chevelle Ebay just ended not one single bid. Could Joel Rosen's cars not be that desireable any more?
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Maybe the pool of people with over $100k to invest in a race car that's going to sit in a museum is drying up.

Having watched the prices at Barrett Jackson fall from the obscenely outrageous prices of 2005-2007 to the ridiculously low prices of today, it doesn't surprise me that people aren't lining up to buy cars that weren't really meant to be driven on the street- especially if they have to pay prices that would make one afraid to drive them in the first place.
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Old Dec 17th, 12, 01:58 PM
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Bob,You got a got point there!! I Felt Team Camaro is a great place to ask this Question because theres lots of True Muscle guys here that actually drive their cars.I got something that I want to say but I'll hold back on posting it. Thanks for your post.
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I relate stuff like that to fine art....the majority of it is owned by people who don't even know how to use a coloring book. Doesn't mean they don't/can't have some form of appreciation for it yet there just seems to be something inherently wrong about it.
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Not sure about how sales rise and fall with the Northern hemisphere seasons, but would imagine that these high-dollar cars would be more likely to generate interest once Spring rolls around and the stresses of Christmas (and the Winter Blues) have been left behind.

Hmm then again, is anyone who could afford one of these cars really likely to suffer from stress at Christmas?
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Those two Motion cars were not built as new cars. They were brought in to the Motion shop as used cars and built in the mid to late 1970s. That tends to lower the value of the cars.
The Motion paperwork still ads value to the cars but not as high as it would be for a car done as a new high end build.

The high value Motion cars are the ones where they were built new with all the speed parts that were popular in the day. One of the top Motion Camaros sold recently for about $500K but that does not mean that all Motion cars will pull the big numbers.
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Joe58,Yes thats Lud Renners Spring of 1968 built 1968 RS/SS Motion Camaro SS427 L88 M22 456 Gear Car from Union County Maplewood NJ.It originally was Built with a Flat hood and Tear Drop Ford Hood Scoop. When Joel Rosen finally had the 1 piece L88 fibeglass hoods made for the Camaros and Novas later on in 1968 Lud had Joel put that hood on. That car also has the first design Motion Made tow tabs that come down off the front of the subframe.They were single sided not the double wall fork fronts.No front Bumper On that RS/SS 1968 Camaro.Cool car 1968 Motion Cars are definitly Kooool!

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Joe58,The Progression of Hoods for Motion Phase III cars in late 1967 to early to mid 1968 was ,Flat Steel Hood with Scoop Gafted to hood,then came the 1967 Corvette L88 Stinger hood design which was a Full Lite Weight 1 piece fiberglass hood. This was followed up by the 1968 Corvette L88 Open Back Cowel hood design.Motion did a article in September 1968 of what they called Ram Air For Street & Strip. It shows the Open Front Ram air 1967 Corvette Stinger Hood Design on a Motion SS427 1968 Camaro.The Stinger Hood had NO hood springs. The Camaro SS427 shows NO heater hoses going to a SB or BB heater box.Looks like the Heater Box was removed. I believe in 1967 and early 1968 NHRA and AHRA did not allow a full Fiberglass hood. Do you know the finished height using a fly eye air cleaner ? L88 hood for L88 427 Motion Phase III cars in 1968....
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don't forget the Motion cars were built to customer order. The 68 Corvette Bronze car was built with a tear drop scoop, that was probably what the owner asked for.

I think some Motion cars were also built with A&A hoods as they used a Motion 427 Camaro with stinger hood in the A&A catolog

On Motion car prices, you can still buy a real Motion car for under 10K. It won't be a 1960s Camaro Chevelle or Nova but Motion was still building cars in Baldwin NY into the early 1990s and there is a few still around.

They also had Motion Mini Car Co that did VW bugs and rebody VW frame cars.

There was a Motion dune buggie that was a documented original paint Cars mag cover car on ebay. It needed work but I think only sold for about $2500.

I was thinking of bidding on it but didn't because of lack of extra storage garage
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Joe,Do you have hard facts from Lud Renner of Maplewood NJ Union County NJ about the Ford T Bolt Tear Drop fiberglass scoop that was pop riveted to a Flat 68 Camaro hood? I would love to hear the facts about why he chose that hood over the 1967 L88 Corvette Stinger hood. The 67 Corvette L88 stinger Hood would of been a faster easier install and probably cheaper labor cost then the T Bolt hood scoop.Dosen't make sense? Is Lud Renner a member of the Yenko Site? Love to hear the info from him! Why does that car not have the Phase III stripe like the Black On Black 1968 Motion SS427 4 speed car that Joel owned?By the way in October of 1968 part number BC-138 Motion 427 L-88 Aluminum-head 12.5 to 1 450HP was $1189.95.This was Complete Engine Assemblies W/Clutch assy. BC-973 Four Speed.Special-Duty M22 Close Ratio were $375.00 BC-999 4.56 Gears $41.95 BC-950 Holley Carb Three-Barrel Daytona 950 CFM was $89.95 (516-223-7700) John Mahler High Performance Parts Manager Baldwin Chevrolet Merrick Road & Central Avenue /Baldwin ,L.I. N.Y.
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Old Dec 21st, 12, 12:34 PM
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Joe58,Do you still have your 1996 Motion Mustang you bought Directly from Joel Rosen and his wife Judith in 2006 I believe? Correct the cars year and date you bought it if I'm wrong.I remembered a while back on the Yenko Classifies I saw a thread about it or maybe it was Ebay,not sure.
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Joe,Do you have hard facts from Lud Renner of Maplewood NJ Union County NJ about the Ford T Bolt Tear Drop fiberglass scoop that was pop riveted to a Flat 68 Camaro hood? I would love to hear the facts about why he chose that hood over the 1967 L88 Corvette Stinger hood. The 67 Corvette L88 stinger Hood would of been a faster easier install and probably cheaper labor cost then the T Bolt hood scoop.Dosen't make sense? Is Lud Renner a member of the Yenko Site? Love to hear the info from him! Why does that car not have the Phase III stripe like the Black On Black 1968 Motion SS427 4 speed car that Joel owned?By the way in October of 1968 part number BC-138 Motion 427 L-88 Aluminum-head 12.5 to 1 450HP was $1189.95.This was Complete Engine Assemblies W/Clutch assy. BC-973 Four Speed.Special-Duty M22 Close Ratio were $375.00 BC-999 4.56 Gears $41.95 BC-950 Holley Carb Three-Barrel Daytona 950 CFM was $89.95 (516-223-7700) John Mahler High Performance Parts Manager Baldwin Chevrolet Merrick Road & Central Avenue /Baldwin ,L.I. N.Y.
Lud Renners hood was not a flat hood. It was the SS hood with the teardrop grafted to it. Lud did not care for the 67 style Corvette L88 hood so he asked Joel if he could do him a teardrop. Joel said "no problem'. Lud was concerned that it would look like crap like most of the steel hoods with glass grafted to them looked but he said it came out perfect. He also says the one that was on Ebay awhile back was not his and was not like his. He said most teardrops had a slight upsweep at the rear like the Ebay one but his had no upsweep, perfectly level. Luds was also open on the bottom side. Joel had cut it out square on the bottom side. It was only on the car for about 2 years when the newer L88 style hoods came out and he had Joel install one of those. His hood had hood pins and the stock latch. Joel changed the air cleaner on Luds car 3 times due to air flow issues on the dyno while dyno tuning it because Lud was racing it. first was tiny like o Hassetts, then 12" flatter style, then the current one. He also did not want the regular 68 stripe but wanted the nose stripe. He figures Joel ordered it with no stripe and then painted the nose stripe himself as it goes under the 427 emblems.
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You do know the SS Hood for a Camaro is slightly elevated in the center unlike the Nova SS hoods that are flat.That Ford T bolt Tear Drop Scoop takes up a lot of room.Its surface mount area is big.Honestly I don't understand How Joel could of made it work on a Camaro SS hood. I believe I have the dimensions of the scoop.Any Camaro guys have the side to side raised dimensions of a Original 1968 SS Camaro hood?

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I foundin my Redeal Motion Catlogs and sales sheets.Shows Kool pictures and dimensions of Scoops!!!
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