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Old Jan 18th, 13, 08:57 PM
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Just curious, because I honestly do not know, ... did your teacher explain how long the window of opportunity to paint the car from this point in time (in primer) until the body starts to rust again? (not joking... I am asking seriously) I know it's dependent on the conditions of storage, but still curious. Looking SWEET!
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Old Jan 18th, 13, 09:37 PM
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good question.
I know the bare metal shell and parts I made bare never rusted in the shop, some bare a year. This due to even temp in the shop. I know that primered cars outdoors will rust and the primer is not water proof like paint. But this is over time, UV breakdown, etc. I keep the car dry as possible even though everything I could spray epoxy to got a shot. I hit the car with an air nozzle and wipe it down....doing all that I can do
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Old Jan 23rd, 13, 12:21 PM
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Found a flaw in the re-pop RS fender, posted Qs in BODY SHOP. Got answers. Was looking around more at the car before fixing the latest batch of new-found flaws. Better to find them now, fix them now.

RS badges?
See them different spots on each fender that I see. I drilled mine months back, wondering if I am too close to the door. I saw templated RS installed, they seem too high for my memory. I see a fully awesome car, they seem too low! 1968 AIM shows LINE 20, good luck with THAT! When measurements would be fine, GM used an imaginary line rather than something great like 5" from back of fender and holes 1.5" above body line. Continuing my hunt.

CAMARO RESTORATION HANDBOOK Currao and Sessions has this picture that looks correct to me





I'm beginning to think the badges went just about everywhere....


Does the Carpet match the drapes?
Ooops! But I got your attention. Do the fender and QP body crease match the door? The door looks a bit softer. Think easiest thing to do is sharpen the door line, again.
body panels wetted with wax and grease remover









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RS badges?
... 1968 AIM shows LINE 20, good luck with THAT! When measurements would be fine, GM used an imaginary line rather than something great like 5" from back of fender and holes 1.5" above body line.
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They aren't really "imaginary"
"20" is exactly that - 20" up from the base Horizontal 'O' reference line.
Or ... 15.93" from the bottom edge of the fender.
And the starting measurement for the Vertical 'O' reference is 40.48" back from the rear bolt of the radiator support hole in the fender ...

But your position looks pretty 'correct' to me

And I often find the fender and door lines seem different to me :confused"
So I will usually try to match them up while fitting and blocking.

I wonder how Scott handles this ???
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I have owned many Chevelles, Elkys and Camaros, but the most head turning car I owned was a 67 plain jane Nantucket Blue Camaro vert, blue interior, 327/210 glide. For some reason, women loved that car more than any SS I ever had. My wife never let's me forget how much she loved that car. Keep it stock, some cars are just meant to stay that way.
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They aren't really "imaginary"
"20" is exactly that - 20" up from the base Horizontal 'O' reference line.
Or ... 15.93" from the bottom edge of the fender.
And the starting measurement for the Vertical 'O' reference is 40.48" back from the rear bolt of the radiator support hole in the fender ...

But your position looks pretty 'correct' to me

And I often find the fender and door lines seem different to me :confused"
So I will usually try to match them up while fitting and blocking.

I wonder how Scott handles this ???
Interesting numbers! Not in my AIM Z22 A3 pg 423. wonder where you got your info? Wondering how someone would measure that on the assembly line while under pressure to complete car 234 for the day and move onto car 235.

Serious question here,,,Now tell me, is that measured straight up as in ] or measured up the side of the fender contour like ) ? Following the body from fender edge is 16 3/4' to the body crease.... free hanging the tape from the body crease down is approx 16" I'll have to get something down low at the lower edge and remeasure.

Fore and aft, 40.48 from the rear rad support bolt puts the badge quite a bit more forward than I have mine. And isn't in "just a tad" awkward for that reference way down the other side of the fender to be used? FWIW, this puts the dvr side badge front approx in line with the firewall.

Yes, my door line softened a bit...plan to longboard it again, dammit.
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I have owned many Chevelles, Elkys and Camaros, but the most head turning car I owned was a 67 plain jane Nantucket Blue Camaro vert, blue interior, 327/210 glide. For some reason, women loved that car more than any SS I ever had. My wife never let's me forget how much she loved that car. Keep it stock, some cars are just meant to stay that way.
Appreciate the comments
I have thought of that...have kept a few more things to go back on the car then originally planned. Decided against aftermarket hood(did not fit well along the sides) and a spared spoilered decklid (have rear antenna), gonna keep the top black, stay Rallye Green...just adding a few factory appearing options. Even toned down under the hood from 68 396 to the born-with 327 with a few upgrades. Eventually will go through the 10-bolt diff rather than have it alongside the garage.
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All measurements are "straight up" vs. following any contours.

And yes, they are just a bit "awkward" to obtain - but they are accurate ...
I have been very successful in mounting a fender on a buck with the correct settings and then using a yard stick on a block to measure things out - they came out right where I thought they should (based on 'looks') when using the AIM spec.s.
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From Jason's thread

his 'desired look' car....very sexy I must say



Jason's templated RS badging






you see the finished car's badge is just above the body line (pretty low-looking to me) and the templated location is quite a bit higher far as I can tell.

then this image from Todd in FL that I rcvd today

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All measurements are "straight up" vs. following any contours.

And yes, they are just a bit "awkward" to obtain - but they are accurate ...
I have been very successful in mounting a fender on a buck with the correct settings and then using a yard stick on a block to measure things out - they came out right where I thought they should (based on 'looks') when using the AIM spec.s.
OK, I posted while you were preparing this...

Seems I am in the ballpark height wise but need to move both badges forward. Red car pic pretty much confirms this as well as measurements.
Will confirm, make a block to establish the base/bottom location and get back to you where my top/Line 20 ends up being. OMG, cannot imagine the assembly line guys liking this too much
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Old Jan 23rd, 13, 02:19 PM
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The AIM is your best bet, but a template like that one in the pic is next, and most likely just as good. Jason's car does look awesome! LOVE the green! My '68 is a Sequoia Green which is sweet too.
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I'm fairly certain emblem holes were punched in press operations in the factory.

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Steve,
I suppose the RS nosed fenders would all have the holes for RS badge, that at least makes sense. YET, why would that be in the AIM? Why the line 20 and the hole measurements (in relation to the line 20 and to each other)? Normal verbage is "existing hole." Why the info (incomplete) for the lower molding holes? Hmmm, will look at the AIM for more insight (or confusion) tomorrow.

I could see if they only gave the info on Z22 on where to drill holes for the lower trim on the door!
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Old Jan 23rd, 13, 05:39 PM
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I've sold all my early GM / Camaro parts manuals, but I seem to remember in the early books there were part numbers in group 8.130 for for fenders with more options than just "all with rally sport" and "all exc rally sport".

Later / more current section 8.130 reads NOTE : it may be necessary to add holes for moldings and emblems

I needed the cash at the time and now I wish I hadn't sold the early parts books . . .

Regardless, I can't imaging ( even in the late 60's ) a line worker with a freehand drill located with a tape measure and a magic marker.


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Steve,
I suppose the RS nosed fenders would all have the holes for RS badge, that at least makes sense. YET, why would that be in the AIM? Why the line 20 and the hole measurements (in relation to the line 20 and to each other)? Normal verbage is "existing hole." Why the info (incomplete) for the lower molding holes? Hmmm, will look at the AIM for more insight (or confusion) tomorrow.

I could see if they only gave the info on Z22 on where to drill holes for the lower trim on the door!
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I guess we're getting off topic a bit George, but I too checked out the AIM.

If the RS emblem holes were drilled online, would it have to be previous to the sub frame ( with assembled front sheet metal ) joining the rest of the body - right ? Same deal with the Camaro emblem.

AIM shows front end already installed. Maybe an assembly line worker will chime in.

Anyway, this is a great thread with the best year of first gens, in one funky kool colour !

Nice Car - I look forward to the upcoming green pics . . .
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