[BA.]

Probably get a lot of reads off of that title. lol.
I should state that I'm only pricing out my options, the LS7 crate engine is not a lock for me........yet.

Anyhoo, I'm a little bit aware of what it takes to put an LS7 into a 1st Gen. I've read the articles, read some forums, track Stielow's every move, etc.
I NEED to do more reading at LS1tech though. (gotta find the time!)

I haven't yet seen a "total cost" of getting one of these swaps completed.
The engine lists at several places for 12,999 but I'm a little afraid of the ancillary costs that come after that purchase!

I called Scoggins-Dickey and they mentioned it does come with balancer and coils/plug wires.

I believe I'd still need a custom oil pan, remote oil resevoir, accessory brackets, P/S, Alternator, motor mounts, ECU, harness, and maybe a drive by wire foot pedal assembly. There's probably other stuff too!

Has anyone seen actual costs involved for all the stuff needed to get that LS7 working in a swap?

[Rich-Allen]

it all depends on what you expect to get out of your build.
Do you want a show stopper or just an engine swap ?.

The LS7 you can get for $11,000 if you look around.

Front drive accessory drives (PS, Alt, AC and all pulleys) GM: $900 After
market $2600

Electrical: Bigstuff3 $1800- $2200, Fast XFI $2200, GM $2000

Exhaust: $700 - $3,000

Fuel tank w/ pump, lines and filters (EFI setup) $ $2,000

Transmission: GM T56: Used $1500, ATS $3600, Gforce $4,000, Automatic $ naw.

Transmission mount, T56kit (ATS) $300

Motor Mount plates ATS $125.00.

drive shaft: $300

Good aluminum radiator $ 1,200

Total: $ 20k - $25K
I think that covers everything you need to buy for the swap, of course you will have incidentals.

You could buy an LS2 and save $6,000 right off the bat.
Matt's classic bowties just priced out a 750hp LS7 from turnkey engine supply, it came fully loaded with ecm, wires, drive accessories ready to run for $20k

I have $26 in my swap but someone could it for half that.

Rich

[4MuscleMachines]

Here is the package I chose. OEM ECM, modified harness, oem accessories+maf. I just need the ATS pan, oil tank, breather and lines. My car already has an LS6 engine in it. He provides a 550hp base tune, I bought it for the same price listed but with Mahle forged pistons in case I want to go forced induction or NOS.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...1260409&rd=1,1

[Buck]

Go ahead an buy it. I"ll get it from you for a song when you decide to go to the next best engine...

Originally Posted by BA.

Probably get a lot of reads off of that title. lol.
I should state that I'm only pricing out my options, the LS7 crate engine is not a lock for me........yet.

Anyhoo, I'm a little bit aware of what it takes to put an LS7 into a 1st Gen. I've read the articles, read some forums, track Stielow's every move, etc.
I NEED to do more reading at LS1tech though. (gotta find the time!)

I haven't yet seen a "total cost" of getting one of these swaps completed.
The engine lists at several places for 12,999 but I'm a little afraid of the ancillary costs that come after that purchase!

I called Scoggins-Dickey and they mentioned it does come with balancer and coils/plug wires.

I believe I'd still need a custom oil pan, remote oil resevoir, accessory brackets, P/S, Alternator, motor mounts, ECU, harness, and maybe a drive by wire foot pedal assembly. There's probably other stuff too!

Has anyone seen actual costs involved for all the stuff needed to get that LS7 working in a swap?

[69ProTouring]

Rich has a good outline. The trickiest part is the headers, LS7's have a different port shape and height. I used a set of Kook's stainless steel LS7 swap headers in my car. You'll also want to buy a set of conversion fittings so you can run standard oil pressure and water temp gauges on the LS7.

I just fired my LS7 last week. I'm stoked.

[Rich-Allen]

Originally Posted by 69ProTouring

Rich has a good outline. The trickiest part is the headers, LS7's have a different port shape and height. I used a set of Kook's stainless steel LS7 swap headers in my car. You'll also want to buy a set of conversion fittings so you can run standard oil pressure and water temp gauges on the LS7.

I just fired my LS7 last week. I'm stoked.

I play that video every morning, it's like breakfast for me.

That car is sooo damn sweet.

[fast]

fwiw FCcustoms has a wet-sump LS7 for 13.5k

personally I'm looking at the SDPC 440 or the GMPP LSX 454 (iron LSX block though, but it made 641 hp in the GMPP/reggie jackson '69)

you guys are very bad influences lol

[BA.]

for future reference of others

809-17802397
GM Performance Parts 427ci / 500hp LS7 Engine

GM LS7 crate ncludes:

intake manifold with injectors
fuel rails
throttle body
dry sump oil pan
exhaust manifolds
flywheel & clutch
harmonic dampener
water pump and pulley
coil packs
spark plugs and wires
engine sensors

LS7 crate engine does not include:
injector wiring harness
dry sump oil lines
dry sump tank
engine beauty cover
engine processor
air filter/air box
accessories or accessory drive

[Rich-Allen]

Allan,

All the stock stuff would work great if you were installing that engine in a new vette but since it's a 1st gen there will be issues.

If you decide to buy an after market accessory drive ( you must if you plan to have AC, "unless you cut a big notch in your subframe") you have to change out the water pump to a 2002 camaro style. After you change that you have to run a 2002 camaro style dampener.
The oil pan wont clear the cross member so you have to buy one of those too.
Exhaust manifolds wont fit either.

These are just a few of the snags I didn't plan on prior to buying my crate motor.

Everything aside, if you do an LS7 in your car, you might not ever lose the smile it puts on your face.

Rich

[Rich-Allen]

If I was to do it again, I would call turn key engine supply and have them send me a ready to run engine.

Thier motors are ready to slip in your 1st gen including all electronics. 675hp



$21,000

[ss dave]

My LS7 experience has been one of frustration and elation. First I had a LS7 wet sump built by LME. Cleaned up the intake manifold, ported the exhaust, upgraded the valve and rocker assemblies, better pistons and rings and rods, changed the crank to accommodate the wet sump. Upgraded the entire fuel supply with larger injectors, rails and regulator. Ricks stealth tank with a Barry Grant in-line heat sink. The Canton oil pan dictated that the cross member had to be notched. Remote filter with thermostat. Hooker SC headers with engine plates and ATS mounts fit like they were factory made. But we had to move the mount hats to make it work. Speartech harness with a drive-by-wire throttle body. Custom air intake and Fluidyne radiator, Black Magic fan, Spal controller. Street and Performance accessory drive-only one that would work with AC, was not cheap. Relocated the Optima battery to the trunk. Thats just the some of the powerplant changes. The tranny is a Performa built 4l60e with Compushift controller, Hurst dual-gate shifter, Yank converter. Steel driveshaft with '50s u joints. The gauges were changed to all electro Autometers to make the sending unit attachments simple and correct. There were issues that needed to be addressed at every turn but the project is nearing the end.
Now, was it expensive-hell yes. I probably could of replaced 3 of my carbed 383's. Worth it? I'll let you know in about a month. It has been a learning experience. The payoff will be a roasted pair of Nittos and tons of tx.
You could swap a LS7 into a first gen alot cheaper by taking your time and using factory stuff. Wait 2 years when most of this has been worked out and mod parts are available and less expensive. If I was going to take the effort and $$ to do my swap, then I wanted reliability with performance. Quality is not cheap or easy. But it should deliver performance for years.

[69ProTouring]

Originally Posted by ss dave

Street and Performance accessory drive-only one that would work with AC, was not cheap.

Synister Products, which is what I'm using for a front accessory drive, as A/C. I chose not to run A/C in my car though... and have it annodized black.

All in all, the LS7 is a pretty simple swap. Almost everything that's needed is available as off the shelf parts. Headers were the biggest issue that I ran in to.

[Teetoe_Jones]

Originally Posted by Rich-Allen

If I was to do it again, I would call turn key engine supply and have them send me a ready to run engine.

Thier motors are ready to slip in your 1st gen including all electronics. 675hp



$21,000

That will not "drop" into a 1st gen chassis with out some serious fabrication. There is no way to make that oil pan fit the frame, and it cannot be modified.

Guys- if you want to drop in an LS7 without needing to cut and weld on the car do what General Motors Performance and Katech does- They call us at American Touring Specialties for thier special project needs. We have the only dry sump oil pan that will work into a 1st gen on an LS7, we have the accessory drive that Katech engines uses in their race cars, we have the headers that will destroy any other manufacturer's power claims, and the engine mounts that place the engine optimally in the chassis. See Reggie Jackson's 69 Camaro and Mark Stielow's 69 Camaro for examples.

We are working on having a turn-key LS7 that really will drop into a 1st gen with no mods to the chassis.

Tyler

[JimM]

LMAO... Tyler, that's the most blatant ad I've ever seen from you!

It's also damned good info, and true as it can be, on a swap that is new and frustrating but becoming more common everyday.

It stays, no problem here.

[ss dave]

That looks great! I tried to get something similar from DSE but it didn't work. Love the black ana look.