[CamaroNOTcamero]

well, once again guys i'm figuring, hey why not jsut spend the extra money (i gotta stop thinking this way) but anywho, since Strange and Moser axles with c-clip eliminators both cost exactly the same amount, $430 which should i buy? they are both famous for quality, but i know Moser eliminators work fine on the street, but will strange?
What do i need to do to install these eliminators? will i still need the outer axle bearings?
thanks again guys.

[Ratmotr]

CNC, the c-clip eliminators take the place of your outer axle bearings.

I have buddies with Strange axles, Mark Williams, and Moser's. I guess it all comes down to personal preference as none of them have had any problems with there axles.

I have Stange eliminators and have had no problems with them.

BTW, don't go crazy and get caught up in the spline counts, a twelve bolt has 30 splines and you can get 33 spline parts. Any more is a waste of money and added wieght, unless your building a pro-mod car.

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My 69

[big gear head]

Are you sure you need the C clip eliminators? Once you put them on there is no going back, because you have to cut off the ends of the housing to put them on.

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'69 RS/SS396 pro street
427/4spd/9"
Byars Performance
High Performance Drive Train Parts And Service
www.lubedealer.com/biggearhead

[M_Minnick]

You might want to try www.tomsdifferentials.com

His stuff is much cheaper and at least as good as the Moser and Strange stuff.

Mike


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'99 Firebird Formula
11.91 @ 117

[CamaroNOTcamero]

Freddie, i want to keep this as safe as possible, so i'll just go for em. they dont cost much more the Moser c-clip axles and since i have the bare housing i need to buy new axles anyway, from your experience which are better Moser or Strange? i'm going with Strange Bearing caps, so if i want to keep all the companies the same i'll go with Strange, but do they back there products like Moser Does?
I'm adding Coil-Over Mounts and ladder bars to the housing also, and taking off the leaf spring perches(the old ones are all rusty, and crappy anyway), so i'm gonna be cutting anyway. i know you dont like cutting up rears, but i dont see a way around it. My dad's one of the best welders in NJ, so if we want to put new spring perches on there i'm sure we can do that too.
Btw whats the best way to clean out an axle tube?
RatMotr, thanks. and i'm gonna stick with the 30 splines, this car might hit 11's, and it will be basically a street car.
thanks guys.

[RODKNOCKER]

Hey while you got that rear end apart might as well break out the stick welder and weld
the axle tubes all the way around the diff.
housing.
This might not matter but a heard that moser
is comming out with a new logo for their axle
ends might want to ask them when it comes out if you go with moser.
Jeff

[big gear head]

Let me make a suggestion. Why don't you try to find a Impala 12 bolt and do the mods on it? You could sell your Camaro housing and pay for some of the other parts with that money. If you use the Impala housing you could use the Moser or Strange housing ends that take the 9" Ford axle bearings. These are much better than the C clip eliminators and can take greater side loads than the eliminator kits. You could weld and modify this housing any way you want without messing up a Camaro housing, and be driving your car while you are doing it. Just something to think about.

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'69 RS/SS396 pro street
427/4spd/9"
Byars Performance
High Performance Drive Train Parts And Service
www.lubedealer.com/biggearhead

[CamaroNOTcamero]

Freddie, i'm gonna do it to this one, i'm tired of looking for 12 bolts, and i already started working on this one.
i'm driving on the 10 bolt in there now while working on this one, thanks for the suggestion though.
Btw do you sell Strange Axles and eliminators?
Rodknocker, what is the benefit of welding the tubes in?

[RODKNOCKER]

OK I'll explain it the best I can, The
rear end is held in place by bolting the
springs to the spring perch (sp) which are
welded onto the axle tubes, axle tubes are
are just pressed into diff. housing then
factory spot welded most of the time not all
that well, when you take off hard on the gas
this puts alot of twisting effort at the
diff housing (the ring gear wants to twist
upward out of the top of diff. housing on
weak welded axle tubes this twisting can
actully twist the axle tube while inside the
diff housing car will still be drivable but
one side of car will sit slightly higher
than the other in rear (next time you sand
blast a rearend take a look at how its welded) since you have it that far apart jus
thought I would suggest welding the tubes
in. Hope this helps
JEFF

[CamaroNOTcamero]

Jeff,
thanks for the suggestion, i'll ask my dad after i sand blast it, are the pumkins cast or Forged though? he wont weld cast becuase it cracks easily if you do it wrong, but forged would be fine.

[joesmith69]

I'm pretty sure it's just cast. But even so, it's not that hard to weld cast iron.

-Joe

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79' Z28 4-spd- built 355, TRW 10:1 forged flat tops, WP SportsmanII heads, Crane Energizer 230/230 duration .480"/.480" lift, Edelbrock Victor Jr., Holley 750cfm, Dynomax headers, dual 3" flowmasters 3.73 Posi 10-bolt

[CarlC]

I'm on big gear head's side on this one.

I too have c-clip eliminators. I put them in under the impression that the stock c-clip system is unsafe and weak. Boy was I wrong.

If the bearing housing on the end of the axle tubes is in good shape there is no way you could convince me now to put c-clip eliminators on.

If your goal is to eliminate the c-clips because of NHRA requirements but still want positive axle retainment the large Ford axle ends, bearings, and axles are the way to go.

I'll sell you my Mark Williams 12-bolt axles and c-clip eliminator system for a really good price if you are interested. Only 5000 miles and I'll put in new seals.

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The Red Beast http://www.geocities.com/casanoc

[CamaroNOTcamero]

CarlC,
the housing isnt in very good shape. its rusty and the bearings in there are frozen, so i'm just gonna do this and go for Moser Axles and there new eliminator design.
I'm interested in the Mark williams design, e-mail me please.

[big gear head]

The center is cast nodular iron and requires some special welding techniques to do it right. Your dad probably knows how to do this. It needs to be preheated and use a rod with a higher nickel content. This will still make the casting a little weaker, but keep the tubes from twisting. You would be suprised how often the tubes get twisted in these rear ends.

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'69 RS/SS396 pro street
427/4spd/9"
Byars Performance
High Performance Drive Train Parts And Service
www.lubedealer.com/biggearhead

[CamaroNOTcamero]

thanks Freddie, i'll tell him.