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hey guys, well the itch for more power has hit me and im looking to finally up the power. i was considering a big shot setup but i want something i could enjoy the power all the time. my goal is ~600rwhp thru a th400/gearvendors/FAB9 rear and to be in the very very low 10's in a full weight pump gas 69 camaro. so i decided on taking the Procharged route and getting a Intercooled D1SC setup. this is what i currently have:
-its a gen IV 454 4 bolt mains with 427 guts -.030 over so, 433cu. in. -childs and albert zero-gap piston rings -eagle crank -speed-pro race coated bearings -probe I-beam rods -keith black forged pistons -9.67:1 CR -781 cast iron heads 2.19in 1.78ex 118cc 280 runners -cam is a CompCams Magnum™ Mechanical Flat Tappet, solid lifters, 1.7 rockers, 270s .530/.530, duration at .050" 224/224, intake centerline 106, lobe center angle 110, cam 4* advanced -milodon 7qt oil pan -edlebrock air gap intake -holley 750cfm DP mech secondaries -ARP EVERYTHING -it was built to handle 700-800hp since im going to be adding lots on weight to the frontend im looking into better flowing aluminum heads then of course the supporting mods like single plane intake, get the carb reworked for blow-thru and going custom roller cam and custom converter. so here are the questions i have... 1) what heads/intake runner/chamber would you suggest for what I'am trying to achive, and would i need any kinda of porting done? (i prefrence standard exhaust port location for header/steering clearance issues) 2) Is my CR of 9.67 gonna be ok? will going with a bigger chambered head (121cc?) put me in a better position? im not good with calculating CR. 3) i heard of set ups using dual plane intakes and wonderign if i should still use my RPM Air Gap still? i kno im asking for alot saying that i want to fit all this under a stock 2" cowl hood, but im open to suggestions on not so tall single planes... help me out guys, im all ears!
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69 camaro 427 (433)/F1-R procharger/Blow-thru E85 carb/th475/Gearvendors/FAB9 rear/calvert suspension
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Sorry, misread your thread. Going with aluminum heads with a bigger chamber should get your static compression number closer to what you need for supercharging.
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68 SS Camaro - 468 BB, Tremec 5 Speed, Wilwood Brakes, Curry 9 inch (370 gear) http://s593.photobucket.com/albums/tt17/orange68SS/ Last edited by Orange68SS; Jan 2nd, 11 at 04:02 PM. Reason: change |
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I would think the F1 would be a better option for your cubes and possible future upgrades? Dont worry about getting carried away with high flowing heads and intake also.. I would run what you have.
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1967 Camaro in the works-406 AFR 210E Chassisworks subframe, 13" wilwood. |
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Some 1 also suggested that I run what I have but wont I be restricting the F1 too much with wat I have now? I mean the trade off of buying the F1 and not having to buy new heads might b equal but I wanna make sure I can still get the power I want gointhat route
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69 camaro 427 (433)/F1-R procharger/Blow-thru E85 carb/th475/Gearvendors/FAB9 rear/calvert suspension
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Here is a compression calculator:
http://www.kb-silvolite.com/calc.php I put in the numbers, ball park, going to 121cc chamber heads will knock your compression down about a half a point. Put in your numbers and see what you come up with. Going to aluminum will knock it down the compression 1 point.
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68 SS Camaro - 468 BB, Tremec 5 Speed, Wilwood Brakes, Curry 9 inch (370 gear) http://s593.photobucket.com/albums/tt17/orange68SS/ |
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Damian, are you going to race on an outlaw track or NHRA?
A sanctioned track isn't going to let you go much faster without a lot more safety gear. Ask me how I know. You'll need a new balancer, trans shield, flex plate, locking trany dip stick, (you already have a loop and helmet, no doubt), a five point harness, and, let me think,,,, oh yeah, a roll bar. And if your battery is in the trunk, a sealed trunk or externally vented battery box with rear outside shutoff. Still thinking,,,, Oh yeah, after market axles with C clip eliminators. Oh, and a fire jacket. Oops, forgot again. What rearend and gears? Posi?
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One owner 69 Camaro,(yep, bought it new )RS SS Hugger Orange, L88, 4:10's spool, ducted hood, Endura, spoilers. TH400 (CX) GV OD, 8 track still on console and best et 10.862, 124.24mph 1.478 60' All with 1960's stuff. (except tires and converter) + MT Super Scavenger headers. 1000cfm AED and HD Harold-Lunati SR, 725 lift with shaft rockers too. ![]() http://epitomesrebuild.com/ |
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I got the SFI approved balancer, gonna get a trans blanket, prolly got to swap the flexplate, got the lokar locking trans dipstick, helmet of course, the loop i had to take off (was a type that bolts off of the trans mount) because i added the gearvendors overdrive and now i have to do something custom for it, was already looking into cages and of course the harness to go with it, i added a rear firewall a long time ago, and i have a sealed optima battery in the back, vented fuel cell in the trunk and a a main cut-off switch out of the tail light , no c-clip for me, its a FAB9 rear with a locker and 3.70s and 35 spline axles...even thought the thread was asking for specific engine components for a set up, thanx for assuming i had no reguards for safety AT all, i know im young but im not some young kid that is just horsepower crazy and whats to go drive like an idiot everywhere, i been the the track a handfull of times and have around 40 passes under my belt, it may not be much but i know the do's and don'ts of the track...
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69 camaro 427 (433)/F1-R procharger/Blow-thru E85 carb/th475/Gearvendors/FAB9 rear/calvert suspension
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Now I feel bad. I drive like a kid. Maybe not an idiot, but close.
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One owner 69 Camaro,(yep, bought it new )RS SS Hugger Orange, L88, 4:10's spool, ducted hood, Endura, spoilers. TH400 (CX) GV OD, 8 track still on console and best et 10.862, 124.24mph 1.478 60' All with 1960's stuff. (except tires and converter) + MT Super Scavenger headers. 1000cfm AED and HD Harold-Lunati SR, 725 lift with shaft rockers too. ![]() http://epitomesrebuild.com/ |
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Well to follow up, I just snagged a deal on racing junk.com a complete D1SC kit put together by SD Concepts for a firstgen camaro and fit under a stock hood,comes wit all piping, intercooler, BOV, blow thru 750 carb, and a brand new boost sensitive fuel regulator, kit has less than 100 miles on it, all original boxs and paperwork, 7k system for less than half the price
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69 camaro 427 (433)/F1-R procharger/Blow-thru E85 carb/th475/Gearvendors/FAB9 rear/calvert suspension
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Damian, I'm stumped. What is a D1SC kit. Who is SD what does that stand for? And what is BOV?
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One owner 69 Camaro,(yep, bought it new )RS SS Hugger Orange, L88, 4:10's spool, ducted hood, Endura, spoilers. TH400 (CX) GV OD, 8 track still on console and best et 10.862, 124.24mph 1.478 60' All with 1960's stuff. (except tires and converter) + MT Super Scavenger headers. 1000cfm AED and HD Harold-Lunati SR, 725 lift with shaft rockers too. ![]() http://epitomesrebuild.com/ |
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If it was set up by SD concepts hopefully it has the spring tensioned idler for the belt?
When I ran my set up back in 05 the mechanical tensioner caused the gears in the transmission to clatter together from the vibration of the belt. The spring tensioned idler set up completely eliminated that problem and also helped with belt slippage. ATI could have changed that since then but I highly suggest getting the spring tensioned idler from SD concepts..if it doesnt have one. Another thing for some of you to consider is the F1 is only about 100CFM more than the D1. You can run a larger pulley for more belt contact and less slipping and have more room for future upgrades.
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iono what it all stands for, but im over here still tryna figure out what the hell a a firesuit is...
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69 camaro 427 (433)/F1-R procharger/Blow-thru E85 carb/th475/Gearvendors/FAB9 rear/calvert suspension
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