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Old Dec 4th, 12, 09:55 PM
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Hello, I am new to the forums. I am picking up a 79 camaro with a 454/TH400 in it. The rear end, engine, and trans is all stock. I was wondering with a 3k budget if it's possible to put this car into 11 second quarters and still be able to drive it on the street. The 454 is originally from a truck. Thanks.
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Old Dec 4th, 12, 10:52 PM
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I've got a 69 with a 502 and a th400 4:10 gears out back. I used a trans brake and a hand me down pair of slicks and went 11's all day. I have had the car 3 years its been driven on the street 99% of the time. As long as you can afford the gas your goal is very possible I would say. The 3 speed sucked for any long drives so I added a gear vendor and now its very driver friendly.
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Old Dec 5th, 12, 03:38 AM
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I believe you're gonna need heads, camshaft, gears, tires, wheel studs and nuts, C-clip eiliminators for the rear axle, torque convertor, traction device, driveshaft loop, frame connectors, and most important, a weight reduction program for the car, plus a rollbar if you go under 11.5 seconds.

In lieu of engine work, you might get by with a turbocharger, with a camshaft, or nitrous injection, but still will need the rest of the devices mentioned.

I also believe its called Snowball Effect.
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Old Dec 5th, 12, 08:11 AM
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Everett is right on I think, if you eliminate all the safety equipment needed to go 11's 3k will still get burned up pretty quick. It should be pretty easy to get into the 12's, but that depends on what rear end you are working with too. Is it a posi? Gear ratio?

First thing to do is get the rear end in shape with a decent Posi if it doesn't have one, and buy some Caltrac bars for it, then move on to the motor and trans. You may be able to leave the trans alone for now but a good converter is probably going to be a big help.

The motor if totally stock is going to need some top end work probably, a decent cam and matching parts, an intake probably, etc. etc. Like Everett points out it's a snowball effect, bigtime.

Your best bet is to look for good deals from buddies or swap meets (be very careful about what you buy used from the 'net or swapmeets). It might take some time but you could get close with 3k and some serious bargain shopping.

Another question, can you do the majority of work yourself? Have you owned a car like this before or raced 1/4 mile before?

Throw a 250 horse nitrous kit on it and it will go 11's once at least...
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Old Dec 5th, 12, 09:12 AM
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You didn't really give us enough info. Rear gear ratio? Posi? Traction bars? Let us know everything you have to work with at this point.

A bone stock truck 454 is NOT going to go 11's without some help.

One of the first things you want to make sure you have is sub frame connectors, I prefer the weld in type, but bolt ins are better than nothing. Unibody cars like to twist and it doesn't take long to start cracking the sail panels and having door issues.

$3K should get you there depending on what you have to work with right now. A good shift kit in the transmission will be all you need for your goal the th400 is a pretty solid piece. Shift kit and a decent converter.

Sean and Everett both gave you good advice.
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Old Dec 5th, 12, 09:57 AM
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I didn't give that much info because I pick the car up Saturday. Ill definitely post more info when I get it. I appreciate all the advice already given. I have raced 1/4 before in a unibody car, bu it was a fox mustang. I know what it takes to get one of those cars down the track, but I'm a Chevy guy born and raised and I'm coming back to my roots lol. The guy "says" it's a factory posi rear end but doesn't know gear ratio or anything. I have a build list. I was thinking Lakewood 90/10 front shocks and 50/50 rears, a rear end girdle, subframes weld in of course, 4.10 gears, trans go full manual shift kit and B&M quick silver shifter, it has headers I'm going with SLP resonator mufflers, it also has an intake(not sure what kind) and a holley 750 carb. I can't decide what I want to do with the rear because I don't know if I can stick with the factory posi(if it has it) and throw gears at it, run a spool, or throw a locker in it. Also what is this Big Block BSE power by Ed I've read about?
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Old Dec 5th, 12, 01:02 PM
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That 8.5" rear end will hold up fine to your 11 second goal. You will need to make some modifications though, but until you get it in your hands and see what you have hard to make a suggestion. It may already have everything you need. You also don't "need" 4.10's to run 11's I ran 11's with a SBC and 3.42's in a 2nd gen Camaro pump gas car.

The whole Ed deal is touchy and he has been kicked off many boards. Go over to www.Yellowbullet.com and ask there, he is still a member there. Almost every thread he's a part of turns out bad.
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Old Dec 5th, 12, 01:12 PM
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Ok I gotcha I appreciate it. I was just asking about the Ed deal because I read a board of a guy that had followed his power recipe and was running awesome numbers for what he had. I'm not here to judge anyone but definitely willing to take advise from someone who knows what they are doing. And please don't take that as I'm saying you all don't know just as much or more than he does. I've just read a board of his is all. I really wish I had more info on the car. Also if you know how to lighten this bad boy I could definitely use some pointers there as well
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Old Dec 5th, 12, 01:19 PM
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That 8.5" rear end will hold up fine to your 11 second goal. You will need to make some modifications though, but until you get it in your hands and see what you have hard to make a suggestion. It may already have everything you need. You also don't "need" 4.10's to run 11's I ran 11's with a SBC and 3.42's in a 2nd gen Camaro pump gas car.

The whole Ed deal is touchy and he has been kicked off many boards. Go over to www.Yellowbullet.com and ask there, he is still a member there. Almost every thread he's a part of turns out bad.
What Royce said, the 8.5 is a good rear end actually (is that what it has?) I have gone 11.40's with one and a GM clutch style posi.

Once you get it let us know what it has, if it has the basics rear end wise and you know how to work on cars, you can make your goal of 11's I think. It won't be easy and you may have to do some bargain shopping, which is cool anyway in my opinion.

As for the 'BSE' power thing... like Royce said. There is nothing that can be done to a BBC or SBC that has not been done yet I don't think, and Ed surely holds no secrets to anything, he may tell you otherwise..lol.
I don't know if he's on YB anymore either, no one gets banned there but they do get run off..haha.

Also I speak your language, lifetime Chevy guy but I had a 5.0 foxbody for a long time, still have it in fact, awesome cars. I still love both my Ford and Chevy, any fast car is cool by my.
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Old Dec 5th, 12, 03:00 PM
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That's the way I see it too. I built my fox into a 12 second car with 1500 dollars and a lot of time in the heads. I am very mechanically inclined. If I can port the stock heads and get enough flow with a good cam and intake on the engine to be worthwhile, I will definitely do it. I was also thinking of either milling the heads, or swapping out the pistons to some domes for higher compression. I know everything that can be done to these things has been done already. I am also the kind of person that would prefer to do things the old school way. I mean that as in porting the heads/intake myself. If there are any tricks to pulling a few more hp out of the car or 1/10's I'm down. Like I said it's going to be a street/strip car but not afraid to yank seats and pull front sway bars and stuff. I can't wait to get this car so I'll know everything it's got. I'm hoping for the factory 8.5" 10 bolt with 3.73 posi. Crossing my fingers.
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Old Dec 5th, 12, 03:09 PM
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The hot ticket was to pull a rear end out of a late 70's Z-28 (I've done it several times myself) they use to be plentyful. If that's what you have you will be in good shape, it will be an 8.5" either way, but if it came out of a Z it will have either 3.42's from an automatic car or 3.73's from a 5 speed car. I've owned my share of 2nd gen Camaro's.

You can ditch the front sway bar right off the bat, the car will still handle fine. The stock hoods on those things weigh a lot. There are crash bars in the doors and those weigh quite a bit. The typical removing or trimming the inner fender wells or getting plastic/fiberglass replacements.
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Old Dec 5th, 12, 03:53 PM
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So will I need the girdle? Or is it strong enough to run 11's without it?
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Old Dec 5th, 12, 05:34 PM
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A girdle, probably, not. But, one item I do to every rear axle is weld a plate from the top of the tube to the end of the spring perch width-wise, both front and rear.
The spring perch is only welded by the perch uprights(?), vertical sides on the outside of the perch. Not much support or strength. Also, check the tubes where the perches are welded for cracks, very common. Merely a suggestion, if you do weld the cracks, use 6310 rod.
Adding a plate trianglates the perch for strength and lengthens the lever. A triangle is the strongest shape. For every action, there is a reaction. Turn the reaction into forward motion.
Hopefully, the heads aren't truck castings as they will have small ports, peanut ports, they're called - best for creating torque - truck engine, remember?
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Old Dec 5th, 12, 06:06 PM
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Roger that sir, I appreciate it. That's some $ saved to spend elsewhere. I'll make sure I check the axle tubes when I get her home.
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Old Dec 5th, 12, 09:42 PM
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Heads are definitely where the power is at, if the castings are not great for performance you can look for some of the older castings, I believe 049(?) big block heads are real good oval port heads.
I'm a small block guy, and the big blocks I have spent all my time on don't run factory stuff, there are tons of guys on here that know 'em though. When you get the car you'll just have to check everything out, who knows what you'll have.

I beat the living crap out of my stock 8.5 with a GM posi from a Caprice and a 3.73 gearset (I actually still have it come to think of it). Went 11.40s and 1.56 in the 60' behind my 406. Worked great actually, I just upgraged the posi and axles before a problem cropped up.

Some good info in here for you to get started anyway, it will be a fun car!
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