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Old Jan 15th, 13, 06:03 PM
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So heres the problem any help would be greatly appreciated. I got a 69 camaro as a graduation present but when I tried to get the title transferred we found out the vin plate got misplaced when the car was moved from my cousins house (where we bought it) to where im at not sure if its in his garage but I cant find a complete vin on the car to get a tracer of for the vin any ideas where all to look?
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Old Jan 15th, 13, 06:07 PM
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There are partial vins under the cowl and under the blower motor on the firewall. The first part of the vin is on the trim tag, and is consistent for all 69's anyway (for a particular body style and 6/8 cylinder arrangement). You'll want to check with the PA DMV to see what the procedure is to get the vin verified. Here in GA I jut had to have a police officer check the partial vin and fill out a form. The DMV then gave me a new vin plate that had to be mounted to the door jamb and then inspected, then they issued a new title.
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Old Jan 15th, 13, 06:11 PM
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That's going to be UGLY. Tear the dash apart and see if it isn't under the padded dash or on the or in the defroster vent. But fair warning If the original vin plate was that loose it may not have been the real vin in the first place.

If it is a late 1969 build it should also have a door vin tag. Other then finding the originals you will have to submit the vehicle to your local DMV's inspection division and after removing parts looking for hidden factory vins they will determine if the vehicle is stolen with swapped vins and if not will issue a replacement vin.

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Old Jan 15th, 13, 06:18 PM
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Ok thanks I will look into it and the car is already completely tore apart it was my cousins husbands and his dads project but they ran out of time to do so I ended up taking over....Im thinking they took the vin plate off (with there being two of them doing it) and the other didnt know about or at least I hope it will be that easy
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If it is a late 1969 build it should also have a door vin tag.
Something I have never heard of, can you elaborate?
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Old Jan 15th, 13, 07:09 PM
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Here is where you can find the partial VINs, if you need a visual reference. From CRG...
http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#PartialVIN

If you were getting the title transferred, the complete VIN should be on the current valid title.
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Something I have never heard of, can you elaborate?
I think it is a 1970 thing. So the very late 69 Camaros got it. Let me see if I can find a reference.

Here is an example. In this post...
http://www.camaros.net/forums/showpo...7&postcount=34



This thread talks about it a little.
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.p...ic=1708.0;wap2
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Old Jan 15th, 13, 07:12 PM
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So heres the problem any help would be greatly appreciated. I got a 69 camaro as a graduation present but when I tried to get the title transferred we found out the vin plate got misplaced when the car was moved from my cousins house (where we bought it) to where im at not sure if its in his garage but I cant find a complete vin on the car to get a tracer of for the vin any ideas where all to look?
The old title and registration should have the cars vin on it for reference. Then under the cowl grill you should be able to find a stamped partial vin, the partial can only be one of 2 possible combinations... As well most states have provision for a state issued vin to be placed on the car.
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Old Jan 16th, 13, 04:06 AM
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The partial VINs stamped behind the heater core cover and the one on top of the cowl area is the best you are going to find, and they won't be complete VINs. It won't tell you whether the first part of the VIN is 123 or 124. The trim tag is of no help, either, as all the trim tags were stamped 124. Like Dennis said, the best you can do is go off the title you have for the car.
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Old Jan 17th, 13, 02:19 AM
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I think it is a 1970 thing. So the very late 69 Camaros got it. Let me see if I can find a reference.

Here is an example. In this post...
http://www.camaros.net/forums/showpo...7&postcount=34



This thread talks about it a little.
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.p...ic=1708.0;wap2
Also note the raised ridge that was used to locate the sticker. This ridge was only found on later doors.
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Old Jan 17th, 13, 04:44 AM
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Something I have never heard of, can you elaborate?
Federal law changed in 1969 and all vehicles manufactured after September 1st 1969 had to have the door emissions/vin decals. So all extended production 1969 Camaro's, built 08a or later at Norwood have the sticker adding to the legends of the 70 and 1/2. LOS had no extended production.

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The only 1969 Camaros that should have it are those built at Norwood with a 1969 body build date of 08A and later. The LH door shell was modified to include 2 beads about 2" apart just above the latch. The decal was to be positioned between them.

The VIN decal was a federal requirement for cars built for the 1970 model year. At one time the 1969 style Camaro was to be continued as a 1970 model with slight changes. Although there are GM archival photos of 1969 Camaros with '1970' tags no 1969 Camaro was sold as a 1970 model; all have 9 for the 6th character in the VIN.
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http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=121575
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Old Jan 17th, 13, 07:10 AM
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That's pretty interesting. I'd never hear of it before. I do have a problem with "08A and later" statement though. My SS is an 08D with original doors and I don't believe it has the sticker or the ridges. I'll have to look at it closely when I get home.
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Old Jan 17th, 13, 07:43 AM
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Thanks for the clarification guys! I had heard of the door sticker/decal but have not seen one in person, I think Brian threw me off in his first post calling it a tag.

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I think it is a 1970 thing. So the very late 69 Camaros got it. Let me see if I can find a reference.

Here is an example. In this post...
http://www.camaros.net/forums/showpo...7&postcount=34



This thread talks about it a little.
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.p...ic=1708.0;wap2
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Federal law changed in 1969 and all vehicles manufactured after September 1st 1969 had to have the door emissions/vin decals. So all extended production 1969 Camaro's, built 08a or later at Norwood have the sticker adding to the legends of the 70 and 1/2. LOS had no extended production.

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Full thread:
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That's pretty interesting. I'd never hear of it before. I do have a problem with "08A and later" statement though. My SS is an 08D with original doors and I don't believe it has the sticker or the ridges. I'll have to look at it closely when I get home.
Now are you talking 08D of 1968 (very early in the 1969 model year) or 08D in 1969? If your VIN has a 5 in this spot (the number after the letter plant code) 12xxx9N5xxxxx or 12xxx9L5xxxxx , then that is 08D of 1968.
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Old Jan 17th, 13, 11:31 AM
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Now are you talking 08D of 1968 (very early in the 1969 model year) or 08D in 1969? If your VIN has a 5 in this spot (the number after the letter plant code) 12xxx9N5xxxxx or 12xxx9L5xxxxx , then that is 08D of 1968.
Aug 22, 1969. 124379N6747XX
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