[SS454]

Hi I have a 1969 RS/SS. My thing is that some years ago the car was retaged by the state. Now the problem is that they took the # off of the cowl tag so now my vin starts with a 2. I ckecked with the state before I bought the car to make sure it is legit. The vin# matches the title but is not correct for a 69 camaro. The state said if I can get the org vin# than I can have it retaged again. Now I need to find where the vin would be on the body. The car is an org sbc car but now has correct 396cid for 69 camaro.
I how you guys can help.
Thanks in advace.

Rick

[click]

Rick, a partial VIN will be visible under the vented cowl on the passenger side, sometimes visible thru the grille there or you may have to remove the cowl panel to find it, if its painted over but its there. Also look under the heater box on the firewall for a partial vin. Maybe others can add to this list for you. Good luck.


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.... Jim aka Click
69RS 350/255 LM1, TRW forged pistons, .30 over, TH-350 auto.,
Dover White, Blue Vinyl top, F&R spoilers, am/fm, 3.08 Posi.
A/C, fold down rear seat, Pdb, PS, Cowl Induction, Endura Bumper
My RS.. www.brainerd.net/~knudsen/69RS

[HawaiianCamaro]

Like click has pointed out there are partial VIN on the car, check out the CRG link and click on #2 it will take you to the partial VIN section and tell you what to look for. Also the entire CRG web site is full of information. I promise you if you bookmark it you will use it all the time.
http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#CowlTag

Also thanks for taking off the CAPS i can take out my ear plugs now

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Jeff 67/68(2) & 69 RS's

http://hobbystage.net/camaro/hawaiiancamaro/index.html

[Unreal]

so if you find the partial vin in the passenger cowl area, all you do is start with 124379 for coupe and 124679 for convertible, and then add the numbers you found on the cowl. these numbers will start with N for Norwood-built car, and L for Van Nuys-built car.
For example, the total vin for a norwood coupe would be 124379Nxxxxxx

[Unreal]

Something's goofy here, the cowl tag should begin with 12437 as well, where the 1 is for Chevrolet. I don't know which of the other GM divisions started with 2, but it sounds like you have a cowl tag swap. Post your cowl tag, and someone can decipher. (by bet is on Pontiac Firebird)
By the way, the last part of the top line on the cowl tag does not match the VIN. Cowl tags all start with 124379 for coupe and 124679 for convertible. On the VIN, the third digit is a 4 for V8, and 3 for I6.

[HawaiianCamaro]

Not as easy as all that. 123379 = Coupe with 6 cylinder 124379 coupe with V8---123679= Convt with 6 cylinder and 124679= Convt with V8. One would have to be able to show it was infact a 8 cylinder car with something like a X code or the likes.

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Jeff 67/68(2) & 69 RS's

http://hobbystage.net/camaro/hawaiiancamaro/index.html

[VINTAGE CAMARO]

Correct me if I am wrong, (I am sure no one will hesitate) but didn't the firebirds state with a 2?

[HawaiianCamaro]

Pontiac started with 2

[SS454]

Thanks for all the info. I know what they did when it was retaged. They took the last # from the cowl tag and made them the first #. I think I know what the cowl tag decodes as but I will give all the info from it and lets see what you guys can tell me.

ST 12437 NOR265953 BDY
TR 723 57 S PNT
02D X11

VIN# 265953GA19292
I tryed to see if the vin is on the cowl but to much paint in there the car is all apart so I just need to sandblast in there to find it. Well I hope this info can help you help me. Thanks again.

Rick

[Unreal]

Jeff, we said the same thing, but you said it better.

[SS454]

Ok I got the partial vin# off of the cowl.
So should I asume that my vin should read
124379N604939 and can someone tell me if my car is a real rs/ss sbc or did someone add this stuff to the car. I think it's real the back up hole are in the rear body panel and it has not been changed and the holes look like they punched out not cut out. I already posted the cowl tag info. Thanks for any help you can give me!!

[click]

hmmm the last series of numbers after the N should be the same as the last numbers off the dash VIN #. 604939 should appear in both places if nothing has been altered on the car.
Here is the decode for your cowl tag and the Vin you showed:

1 = Chevrolet
2 = Camaro
4 = 8-cylinder engine
37 = coupe body
9 = 1969 model year
N = Norwood, OH assembly plant
604939 = vehicle serial number sequence

Decode for body number: 265953

02D = Built the Fourth week of February.
69-12437 = Coupe.
NOR = Built in Norwood Ohio.
723 = Standard Midnight Green Bucket Seats.
57-S = Lower Color is Fathom Green and the Vinyl Top Color is Midnight Green.
X11 = non-SS396, non-Z28, with style trim

Since its a 69 it wont have any code letters or numbers to help determine if its a true RS or SS. The x11 only means NOT a SS396 and NOT a Z28. With other clues its possible to be a true RS/SS but without the build sheet or POP etc. nothing can be 100% sure. Attempt to contact previous owners and look for original sales papers etc, that is one option for you now. Alot of us 68 and 69 owners are in the same boat with you, so we get to row



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.... Jim aka Click
69RS 350/255 LM1, TRW forged pistons, .30 over, TH-350 auto.,
Dover White, Blue Vinyl top, F&R spoilers, am/fm, 3.08 Posi.
A/C, fold down rear seat, Pdb, PS, Cowl Induction, Endura Bumper
My RS.. www.brainerd.net/~knudsen/69RS

[67ss350camaro]

You can not assume that the vin is 124379N604939. It could be 123379N604939, witch is a 6 cyl car.


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Daniel
CRG
67 RS/SS 350 2004R (owned since 81)
97 V6 5-speed Coupe (work car ordered new)
My Camaro

[click]

Very true Dan, good point. Since the partial vins dont have the first coding numbers on them, it is up in the air without other paper documents then to support which original numbers were actually there.
It might be possible to find previous owners who might have old license renewal cards with the original VIN on it. Or a previous owner would know who his insurance company was and could get copy of old insurance papers showing the original VIN. Thats the only ideas that come to my mind now.


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.... Jim aka Click
69RS 350/255 LM1, TRW forged pistons, .30 over, TH-350 auto.,
Dover White, Blue Vinyl top, F&R spoilers, am/fm, 3.08 Posi.
A/C, fold down rear seat, Pdb, PS, Cowl Induction, Endura Bumper
My RS.. www.brainerd.net/~knudsen/69RS

[Jeff H]

How many fuel lines are there going back to the gas tank? If there are 2 lines then it should be an SS350. If there's only 1 line, then it isn't. I'm pretty sure this is correct since the LM1 4 bbl engine was discontinued at the beginning of 69 so 2 fuel lines would be for Qjet carb engines which were the SS350 or SS396/325 or SS396/350.

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Jeff H - Hugger Orange 69 Z28, original factory JL8 brakes, cross-ram & GM fiberglass hood, TI setup, heater and radio delete, Stahl headers, Minilite wheels - being restored - 87 Toyota 4Runner SR5 Turbo