[Big Ted]

Hey guys, proud owner of a 67 camaro that looks great, but I am very confused as to what it is, and what it is supposed to be.

It appears by the looks of it to be just a plain camaro. Standard headlight package, round turn signals in the grill. No RS or SS markings on the car anywhere, except for the steering wheel! The steering wheel is a SS350 wheel. Standard black interior, no console, no a/c, 4-speed saginaw, Appears to have RS tail lights (All red, no white reverse lens), but no reverse lights in the lower pan section?? Help me out fellows, here is the VIN and Cowl tag.

VIN# 12 43 77 N19 02 78

Cowl Tag:
03B
ST 67-12437 NOR 90470
TR 760-Z N-N
E 2LGS 3L
4P

thanks for all your help, you guys are great.



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Big Ted
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[Dan A]

The info on your trim tag does indicate it's a RS/SS 350 (4P code and the '3L'.) Funny thing about the reverse lamps. Look closely and see if the panel has been replaced or the lamp holes filled. Also check to see what happened to the wiring for the reverse lights.

I wonder what the previous owner did with all the rally sport headlight equipment! He must of tossed it after having the electric motors malfunction one too many times. Are there any holes in the valence panel for the turn signals under the grill?

It used to be Madiera Maroon according to the N-N on your plate.

Tag also indicates it used to have a console too.

Maybe the previous owner kept some of these parts or he knows where they went in case you want to return it to its original condition. Good luck.

[stevo camaro]

Sounds to me like the car was probably tagged hard enough in the front to damage just about everything. I think they put on a standard front clip for ease of installation, price, or whatever. Not sure why the backup lights would have been filled. I would look hard for the paint. Dan says it was maroon. I would try to find ANY trace of that color on the car somewhere. There should be somewhere. If there's not, I would be suspect about the cowl tag. Let us know what you find.

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Steve
67 SS 396,4-sp
67 RS 327,4-sp
72 RS 350/350
69 4X4 suburban 350,4-sp
73 3/4 ton 454/400
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[Kurt S]

You guys need to read some of the older posts. See the CRG website for lots more details.

2L 4P car could be either a L30/M20 or a SS350. From the Saginaw trans in the car, it sounds like a L30/M20 car. So no, it is not a SS, just a RS.

E - tinted glass
2G - console
2S - rear ant.
3L - rally sport

What's the engine code on the front engine pad?
There should be a trans code on next to the side cover.
10 or 12 bolt? Round or square radius rod? There's a code on the axle tube on the passenger side. See the sketch under 'Decoding' on the CRG site.

Let us know what you find.

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Kurt S.
www.camaros.org

[Big Ted]

ok, I know for a fact that the trans and the engine are not original, so no help there. The rear-end is a 12 bolt, and the radius rod mounts are there, but no rod... So.....

I will try and find the axle code tonight and let you know.

On another note, I found and talked to the guy that restored the car 6 years ago, and he said that it was in pieces at his brothers house, it was maroon, he said his brother sold all of the RS stuff off of it a long time ago, so he opted for the cheaper non-RS stuff. He said it still has the RS fenders on it, so I could put it back on if I wanted to, he also said they got the saginaw tranny put in and didn't wire any reverse lights, so they just filled them in at the rear. (He actually then said, "Reverse lights are for wimps!") I just laughed at him. He also swares that it was an RS/SS350 but I don't want to take his word for it, unless I have to. Kurt S has put some doubt in my head now.

(oh, by the way Kurt, what about the SS350 steering wheel? I know it could be off of something else, but the guy says its a RS/SS and the cowl does have a 4P. I would think this would lean it more toward being a SS350 vs the L30/M20) But your the expert, and I value your opinion.

Thanks.......

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Big Ted
Founder of B.S.R.A.
http://www.bvillestreetrods.com

[Kurt S]

Two questions: what is the tire size listed on the glovebox door?
What is the speedo cable routing? L or R of the steering column?

Let us know what you find out on the rearend code.

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Kurt S.
www.camaros.org

[Big Ted]

there is nothing on the glovebox door. Interior has been totally repainted and their are no original stickers.

The speedo cable stays to the left of the column and goes into the firewall.

Well, if there was a code on the rearend, there isn't now. I looked everywhere on it per the diagram shown and there are no numbers anywhere. The rearend is totally clean from grime, but I still don't find anything.



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Big Ted
Founder of B.S.R.A.
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[Dan A]

Ted, on the speedo cable penetration, by left of the steering column, do you mean "passenger side?"

[Big Ted]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dan A:
Ted, on the speedo cable penetration, by left of the steering column, do you mean "passenger side?"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, I mean when I look under the dash, its to the left of the steering column and goes into the firewall.

Thanks,


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Big Ted
Founder of B.S.R.A.
http://www.bvillestreetrods.com

[stevo camaro]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kurt S:
You guys need to read some of the older posts. See the CRG website for lots more details.
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I don't think I need to read any older posts kurt. I guess I just have a hard time believing someone would be stupid enough to go thru the trouble and sell all the RS stuff to replace with standard, and fill in the backup light holes. I've seen it go the other way more times than not, COWL TAG REPLACEMENT!





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[Dan A]

Steve, I think he was mostly referring to the '4P' code I attempted to deciper. Trim tag replacement seems like a logical conclusion considering the lack of RS equipment.

Ted, do the rear panel backup lamps appear to be filled-in as the owner says?

Does it also have a standard style hood?

[Big Ted]

The story I got was that the car sat for 20 years apart. He sold off the RS stuff during that 20 years of it sitting. How is that so hard to believe? Then he sold the car, and the guy who put it back together didn't want to spend the extra money to put the RS stuff back on it. He just wanted a nice camaro, and didn't care if it had the RS stuff or not. Why is that so hard to believe. Have your priced RS stuff vs. Camaro Stuff.

All I can say is this, if it has a replaced Cowl tag, someone did a damn good job, cause its old and looks as if has never been touched.

By the way, Dan A, it does appear that the backup lamps are filled in, I got to looking at the rear end, and its full of fiberglass....

It doesn't have a standard hood, It has a cowl hood on it. It is metal, but I doubt its OEM or GM. Most likely a reproduction.

Thanks,


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Big Ted
Founder of B.S.R.A.
http://www.bvillestreetrods.com

[CA420]

I believe you, I have a friend that bought RS and RS/SS cars during the 70s and turned them into plain cars for drag racing. He used to have all the RS parts in his attic.

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68 RS, Ash Gold,pwr windows,Hounds tooth

[Big Ted]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CA420:
He used to have all the RS parts in his attic.

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Man, if he still has all that, he could make some decent cash on e-bay!

Thanks,



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Big Ted
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http://www.bvillestreetrods.com

[68SS396]

CA420, at least your friend was smart and saved the stuff, even if it is gone now. Recently I was talking Camaro's with a guy I work with and he mentioned he used to be a member of a pit crew many years ago. He says they cut up so many rust free Camaros for racing that it makes him sick now. Hacking perfect rear quarters for huge tires and cutting out the dash area and so on. He remembers some of them being RS cars and stripping all the RS parts and directly throwing them in the trash along with many other great parts because they didn't want to save anything as they didn't have much room and stripped alot of cars. Camaros are not like most of the other cars thirty years old. So many strange and crazy (or stupid) things have happened to them over the years that I am not surprised about anything I hear. I'm just glad they made so many in those three years.