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Old Nov 24th, 13, 06:49 AM
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Default Front sheet metal alignment w/ or without inner fenders?

GUYS, NEED SOME GUIDENCE. FIRST BUILD. GOT THE DOORS ALIGNED SWEET, NOW I AM PUTTING FENDERS BACK ON. DO I NEED TO PUT THE INNER FENDERS ON OR CAN I DO IT WITHOUT?
THIS IS NO WHERE NEAR THE LAST TIME THE FENDERS ARE GOING ON.

AND JUST WANT TO SAY THANKS TO ALL THE GUYS WHO HAVE BEEN GIVING ALL THE HELPFUL IDEAS SO FAR. THE 2X4 TRICK TO BEND THE DOORS WORKED AWESOME.
THANKS AGAIN!!!
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Old Nov 24th, 13, 07:36 AM
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My experience, assemble the fenders off the car leaving every bolt slightly loose. Now set them the car and leave all of the mounting bolts loose as well, such as; radiator support where the fender bolts, upper cowl, inside door, under the rear fender and inside the inner fender. Now set your shims at all locations, use your inner cowl bolt with a 9/16 wrench to pull the fender back and adjust your gap for fit and alignment at the door. Cross measure from the upper cowl bolts to a common point on the front of the fenders.This process will get you started and roughed in.
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Is 3/16 in to tight of a gap? One of my buddy was just over and said that 1/4 was standard. What do you guys think?
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If it is just for mock up I wouldn't bother with the inners, unless they are new and have not been test fitted themselves. Most new inners don't fit well without a little tweaking.
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I use a paint stir stick as a guide for gaps. 1\4 gaps have been seen on a lot of cars too. The paint stick trick has worked fine for me .
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My experience, assemble the fenders off the car leaving every bolt slightly loose. Now set them the car and leave all of the mounting bolts loose as well, such as; radiator support where the fender bolts, upper cowl, inside door, under the rear fender and inside the inner fender. Now set your shims at all locations, use your inner cowl bolt with a 9/16 wrench to pull the fender back and adjust your gap for fit and alignment at the door. Cross measure from the upper cowl bolts to a common point on the front of the fenders.This process will get you started and roughed in.
make sure the rad support is square to the rear fender bolt a the top of the cowl the gaps are all over the place,,,,, make sure the doors do not hit the fenders at the top when the doors are wide open hard to get right in this area and have the gap between the door and fender look right
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Old Nov 24th, 13, 08:23 AM
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So i am going for look more so then measurement?
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I just wasted a 1/2 hour of my life. The door specs are not in the factory assembley manual they are in the fisher body manuel. Fml!!!!
They say 3/16th + or - 1/16th
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Do you want factory gaps or more consistency? What tin do you have? If you want more precision than factory, the inners will have to be installed. Final gaps are affected by tightening all bolts. If you want the top of fender to door alignment better than what the factory provides, or the fender not to be proud of the fender and not have interference issues, you have to work for it. If you look at the factory specs they show misalignment is normal.
These are modified GM panels and they exceed what my car with original, unmodified tin wears. I have other front end photos and may post as time allows.

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I personally like to make the gaps as tight as i can get them. I figure out which gap is the biggest and adjust the rest back out to match. I am always going for a look over originality.
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i don't the car to be show quality, but i would like it to look good. I don't mind grinding and adding metal to the fenders or doors. i did this on the trunk and it looks good.
I just ordered a bunch of leading equipment and can't wait to try it.
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My passenger door is set a little bit back from the front edge of the rocker panel. Should it be flush?
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Default Re: Front sheet metal alignment w/ or without inner fenders?

Not necessarily. Set the gap between the quarter panel and door, then adjust the rocker panel and front sheet metal to accommodate. You may be required to modify the leading edge of the rocker panel to get the gap on the rear of the fender you desire.
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How do i move the rocker panel?
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How do i move the rocker panel?
You don't. The rocker to fender gap spec is .09 +/-.06. As Rick stated, add material to the rocker if the gap is not pleasing to you. Door front should not go beyond leading edge of rocker and setback is normal. This is from my Lemans Blue thread and the other side is in there also. I never go over 3/16" and they are often under that.

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