[rszmjt]

I was wondering what a acceptable cast date and block stamp date would be for a 02D Z28. Thanks .

[Mark C]

You looking for one, or making one?

[rszmjt]

Hi Mark, No not making 1. A friend is looking at a 69 Z for sale and the motor numbers sound too late to me. It is a 02D car and the casting number is 618 , cast date is B-12-9, and the stamp pad is V0218DZ. I think he said the heads are A-28-9. What is your opinion? Thanks for the reply.

[rszmjt]

By the way the vin is 9N603172.

[Mark C]

That's a good date for that VIN and build date. Feb - March built Z28s ran really close between engine assembly and Car assembly. I believe they were catching up on z28 production that were delayed in October, November due to some supply issues with certain Z28 components. It's is the right casting number for that period, and it was assembled probably a week before the car was built. I know of another Z28 roughly 1500 VIN's after this one with an 02/21 assembled engine.

To repeat what KurtS said on a similar thread, if you were stamping an engine, would you stamp it this close to the build date of the car, or kick it out 2 weeks to make it look better.

Got any pictures of the pad stamps?

[olympic69]

What is the answer to all of this? Hemmings has people selling "custom" blocks, gang stamps for VINs, you got the trim tag guy, et al, selling trim tags and rivets, there are repro POP's and build sheets, and it looks like you will soon be able to buy the whole cotton pickin' body carcas! So, is not all of this in vain- short of factory or dealer documentation? But wait, folks are swapping around VIN tags...it is a sad paradox that these vehicles, seemingly built as the working man (or womans) alternative to the 'Vette now have become subject to so much fraud and have become priced beyond the reach of many enthusiasts.

[Tonyx33]

That vin is 100 off from my O2D built z casting
# A179 build 0125DZ so it was assb the same day
other than the shocks 1 23 9 & 1 25 9 its the
earlyist dates code on the car hope this helps
must have been alot of Z's built in feb & mar
looks like alot of them showing up

[ChuckD]

On my 05A Z, the POP says V0417DZ, but that motor is long gone. I guess that's 2-3 weeks max. Just an FYI.

[hugger_sixty_nine]

What is the answer to all of this? Hemmings has people selling "custom" blocks, gang stamps for VINs, you got the trim tag guy, et al, selling trim tags and rivets, there are repro POP's and build sheets, and it looks like you will soon be able to buy the whole cotton pickin' body carcas! So, is not all of this in vain- short of factory or dealer documentation? But wait, folks are swapping around VIN tags...it is a sad paradox that these vehicles, seemingly built as the working man (or womans) alternative to the 'Vette now have become subject to so much fraud and have become priced beyond the reach of many enthusiasts.

This is exactly why having a Canadian Delivered car is so valuable. GM Canada retains a master list of all cars, serial numbers, ship dates and options to verify the car's authenticity. Anyone that has doubts about a so called documented car car can then call GM Vintage Department in Ottawa and request a factory build sheet to authenticate the VIN and Options the car was shipped with.

As for numbers and stamps....well it's with the help of people like MarK C and others who have studied fonts (and have a database) that we can lend some credibility to some of the cars. I have a good friend here in Calgary that is as knowledgable as many of the VIN guru's and he has taught me a lot about what to look for in vintage cars, and how to identify frauds.

I would recommend that any car enthusiast looking to buy a car these days do their homework and read up on "how to identify a fraud". Sad but true, this is now necessary due to the rising price of "real ? cars" Maybe someone like Mark C. or Kurt S could write a book titled
Camaro (Fraud by the Numbers)

[ruquikr]

In the most twisted sense, perhaps all is not lost, for the appearance of more 'fake' cars on the scene makes your 'genuine' car all the more valuable. If the provenance can be substantiated, of course.

[olympic69]

That is well put Hugger 69. I was thinking out loud, and most likely could have left my post to my self. Was not directed at anyone, just to be clear. Maybe a pipe dream, I hope that the records compilation that is reportedly being done will lay all of this to rest.Cheers-

Rob

[rszmjt]

Thanks to everyone for the replys! Mark C., i do not have any pictures of the pad yet, but if he does buy the car i will get some hopefully. Some good thoughts by Olmpic69 and Hugger69. Sad to say that there are some crooked types who still build clone type cars with made up trim tags and vins etc., for personal gain. It gives the collector car people a bad reputation. Just my 2 bits worth.

[JohnZ]

That car was built three days before my (Canada-documented) 02D Z/28, and the numbers line up very similarly to mine - looks OK to me. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

[rszmjt]

John Z, Thanks for the reply! Any chance you could post your numbers?

[Tonyx33]

MarkC so your saying a O2D car should have a
engine not over 2-3 weeks before build date. mine
is 0125 engine and have pop with the car it was
bought new at the local dealer and I'm just the
4th owner but can remember the car from high
school everything is orignal but transmission
when i got it it still had to factory shocks it's a frost green car so its hard to forget it once you see it please don't get the wrong idea not
trying to start anything but I know this is the right engine just seems to my like there alot of feb-march car out there if you have a data base of these cars I'll like to see it for reference if you don't mine thanks