Other forums are talking about this but I haven't seen anything on TC. If true, we are about to get some long sought after info for $50. The Corvette guys already get this and I was hoping for it to open for Camaros:
I contacted NCRS to see if it is legit. Here is what it says:
Welcome to the Chevrolet Historical Document Services.
With permission granted by the General Motors Heritage Center, the National Corvette Restorers Society is pleased to announce that it can now offer certain information contained in 1965 through 1972 (with some limited data) Camaro, Chevelle and Nova Month Car Shipped Reports.
Chevrolet Camaro, Chevelle or Nova Shipping Data Report can be ordered by any one.
Shipping Data Report Service
The information consists of the dealer code, dealer name, dealer address and the date the car was produced. The good news is this should allow you to find the original dealer where your Chevrolet Camaro, Chevelle or Nova was sold and possibly open the door to finding more information about your Chevrolet. A letter containing the information you request will be mailed to your address listed on this order. The cost for this service will be $50.00 USD. Pay by Credit Card or PayPal.
This service is under construction and will be available mid April. Check back often to sign up.
The confirmation email I got says "Thank you for your order nr. 58" That was at about 6:30 this morning, so you probably were the first. I'm not up that early or that late!
It is called a shipper report.
No all the info we would like to have, but a great start.
I am like many of you. I have no idea where my car was originally sold.
Now I will.
Many thanks to Roy Sinor and the NCRS for getting this going.
The only way you will know anything more about your car than when and where it was delivered, is if the dealer has records (very unlikely) or you can get additional information from that state on ownership...
Not a likely scenario, but knowing where it was delivered at least gives you a clue to its past...
I *think* mine was delivered to a dealer in New Jersey...in a few weeks I will know for sure and go from there.
IMO Yes and no - Because some of the original GM records were no longer in the original NCIB paper-files let alone converted to microfiche they would be missing in the collection NCRS has presented for sale. But there is a good chance the majority of Camaro's are there.
Only time will tell if these NCRS certificates hold their own as a countermeasure. Since all real traceable data has been sanitized you can't trace the original as shipped with options. The certificates being offered only confirm the vehicle identification number against the dealer records and production date. The original NCIB records had the invoice, shipping weight, dealer and ordering customer if not for dealer stock.
Still nice paperwork to have, especially if your cars original dealer survived the bankruptcy and may still have paper on it in storage. I can see the dealers who do still have records starting their own archive services for fee. All they really have to do is sanitize names and addresses of original owners to conform to the Federal Privacy act.
The one thing I can promise you is that this is not a cash grab.
NCRS worked really hard to get this info. Then they had to manually convert all that info from microfiche into a digital form so it would be searcheable.
NCRS spent over $100k getting that done. The $50 fee is simply to offset that expense.
How many cars are out there with fake POP, fake Window Sticker, etc. The chances that those scum bags who paid to have fake docs made, along with the scum bags who forged the docs for them guessed the right dealer is somewhere between slim and none. A lot of big money fake cars will be exposed.
My order was #168 at 10:36 eastern time. I am 99% sure of the original dealer for my car but I'll gladly pay the $50 to be 100% sure and help offset the cost. I hope they not only recoup the 100k but end up making money. Anything to help bring more things like this out of the archives.
Orders #108 & #109.
I have some owner history provided by a previous owner that goes back to the original owner being in New Hampshire so if it comes back the same it's worth the money. My other one is a pace car that the previous owners son in law told me the car was at the race. Vin is too late for that but curious where the dealer was.
Orders #108 & #109.
I have some owner history provided by a previous owner that goes back to the original owner being in New Hampshire so if it comes back the same it's worth the money. My other one is a pace car that the previous owners son in law told me the car was at the race. Vin is too late for that but curious where the dealer was.
Yeah NCRS knew it would be a very popular item with us, and the Chevelle and Nova guys - that's why the effort to convert these decaying microfiche slides was undertaken by them even at its considerable front end cost and extended time necessary for data entry they knew it would be a good product to market - even though Corvettes are their niche.
I'm going to place my order as you guys did, but I must admit, I'm not as exited as most of you are. OK now that I found the dealer info out, now what?? Most of them are long gone no??? Just saying.
I'm going to place my order as you guys did, but I must admit, I'm not as exited as most of you are. OK now that I found the dealer info out, now what?? Most of them are long gone no??? Just saying.
Warren recently found a number of old newspaper ads featuring cars for sale, that included the VIN and a description of options. I believe Jim's (Click) old car was one of these. So once you know the original receiving dealer, assuming that was also the selling dealer, you could start to check local newspaper archives for the months following the build date to see if your car was advertised. Long shot, and a fair bit of legwork (or keyboard time) required, but could pay off for some.
Saw that too. I'd say you're out of luck, assuming it's that entire block of cars. If so, they will refund your $50, but still a disappointment; and that's quite a lot of cars missing from the GM records.....
I know we are lucky up here in Canada with the Zapora reports, but there was a situation in 1969 that affected the Delivered Dealership, compared to the selling Dealership.
I don't know if this was an issue in the US, but interesting.
Back in late 1969 when the new model Camaro was due to be released, the 1969s were not selling well. Everyone was waiting to see what the new car would look like.
The local high performance dealer. Maurice Carter (of Trans am Sedan fame) had all of the excess Camaros from all over Ontario shipped to his Hamilton Ontario location. There were cars from all over Ontario. They eventually sold from his location. I purchased one at that time, it was originally from a Dealer hundreds of miles away. As well there were a lot of strange combos, low option and high option and strange color combos.
As I said this might throw up some questions if the NICB report shows the car was delivered to a certain dealer, and the owners knows the car sold from another dealer.
I don't know if this was a common practice in the US, but it did happen here.
Sad. I saw that there was a "hole" in the records, and of course, was afraid my Camaro would fall in that hole. Fortunately for me it didn't. But, I really feel for all you guys that are affected.
Roy told us there would be some holes. Even for the Corvette crowd, they can only help about 93% of the owners.
If I'm reading that right then that will leave all of the early pre X coded cars out.
Bummer
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