[69ssCamaro4a17yrold]

Does anybody know what size alumimnum radiator I should get for my 69 454 camaro?

[chicane67]

Well, my first guess is one that fits.

Are you questioning a universal fit or a bolt in? Is there a certain manufacturer you are considering? Do you need a trans cooler built in?

These are just some of the questions you need to answer before a good approximation can be made. But......

I you are looking for a bolt in Griffen, I would use their part number: 6567AE. This is a bolt in 2 row (1 1/4" tubes) for the Camaro. @$450.00

The Griffen universal part number would be: 125222. This would be a bracketless 2 row (26x19 with 1" tubes)....universal fit. @$200.00

There is also BeCool, C&R, Ron Davis and Morane. C&R is the upper crust out of all of these, Ron Davis would be an excellent choise as well.

Let us know the information to give you a better, more concise answer.

[LB-racing]

don't buy it yet I'm working on a killer deal with a raditor company for everyone here I did a post about radiators because my BB is full grown and has special needs to drive on the street. I'll know by Monday.

[LB-racing]

UP DATE: didn't get a group deal but got a good price compared to Gri--in. They told me $725 [img]graemlins/sad.gif[/img] Streetrodstuff.com or 1-330-265-1031 and ask for Dick tell him Lem sent ya! For my 13:1 BB 69 with "ALL" brackets $328

[chicane67]

Can you tell me what you were getting from Griffen at the $750.00 price?

Also, can you include what you are getting from streetrodstuff for $328.00 to compare.

I'll tell you why I ask when I see your reply.

[LB-racing]

It wasn't a part number! I just gave both my specs on car and purpose. I left spcs at work so please elaborate. The guy at SRods has a 68 F-bird of the same so he said he knew what I was looking for! But go ahead and clue me in on what ya know!!

[chicane67]

From out of experience, any time you call up some place for whatever you are look for an answer to, they ALWAYS give you the 'Triple knock me down' part for that application. Its a sales tactic......some people have enough money and lesser common sence than you would think. And thats how they make money off of the non-shelfed components. But then again, some poeple JUST HAVE to have custom stuff.....or take the guy behind the counters word.

I can almost 100% guarantee their 'off the shelf' HP series radiator that is bolt in, will cool just about anything you could plum it to......with a properly working shroud and fan system. And what's the cost of this? $447.50........

Yeah, its more than what the other guy is asking for their radiator but, Griffen is known for a quality piece and they have the customer service/warranty to back it up.

I'm not saying that streetrodstuff is a clown by any means, but who the heck are they? What core are they using? There are only Three, yup count 'em......three companies that actually manufacturer the actual core itself. Modine, Griffen and C&R.

Personally have used the said Griffen radiator (countless times) but specifically in a 67 Firebird with a more than warmed over 455 (@530hp) that drives around the streets of Tulsa Oklahoma daily, in some pretty nasty heat. And a couple of 502cid Camaros that live in the Phenoix and Tucson Arizona area. Now talk about some temperature! How about 118* air temps with a pavement temperature of 160*+. All with a $450.00 bolt in Griffen.

I myself use C&R exclusively now. Considering that, yes it is a custom radiator, but it is the same radiator out of your typical NACSAR chassis (it will cool 750hp with room to spare). It is a 2 row core, with 1 1/4 tubes, a billet neck, -20AN (optional) inlet, 1 3/4 outlet with a built in 13 plate heat exchanger (oil cooler).

Ya know I look at it this way. When considering a device to cool something that really makes the kind of power that you are 'specing' out, you are most likely going to run an oil cooler.....yes? Well would'nt it be nice not to have to hang something else in the way of engine cooling air? Yup. How about less overall fittings and less overall weight? Yup. Not to mention less overall cost......

Lets look at some numbers:

Radiator- 450
cooler- 250-300 (say 275)
fittings/hose- 100/100
winters bypass- 50
remote oil filter mount- 50
oil thermostat- 150

Total=1175

Radiator- 595 (thats radiator and oil cooler)
fittings/hose- 100/55
winters bypass- 50
remote mount- 50

Total=850

$850.00......with the advantage of having the oil temperature regulated by the engine coolant temperature. A faster warm-up time and more air available to the engine radiator.

With the water at 180* the oil is at 220*......you couldnt ask for anything better.

I build for worst case scenario....for a purpose. You spend the kind of money, my work comes with a list of guaranties......