[Jeff Snyder]

It seems that I've stumbled across a '69 BB Pace Car convertible. The VIN sequence is 623007. The cowl tag shows it as an actual 03E Z11. The VIN on the firewall matches the dash tag. The rear end is BV0321G2 (4.10 w/posi). The original heavy duty springs (G36 option, I think) are still intact. There are heavy duty motor mounts that appear to be original. Other indications exist such as an X-O grease pencil mark on the truck divider behind the right rear passenger seat, high RPM tach, dash clock, power top switch... The original motor is long gone, but the car did come with a 396/350 from a '69 Chevelle that was also built in March.

So, if this car is restored properly, with every nut and bolt scrutized, each body panel replaced with NOS parts, how much might it be worth?

Thanks in advance for your reponses!

Jeff

[Scott Taylor]

Originally Posted by Jeff Snyder

So, if this car is restored properly, with every nut and bolt scrutized, each body panel replaced with NOS parts, how much might it be worth?

I should think that an original BB pace car in number one condition would bring in about $100K to 120K. Double that figure at the Barrett Jackson auction.

[69-Z11Pacer]

Jeff is this the tag from the car?



99.99% sure it is. (I remember the VIN)

The tag is a reproduction tag. I suspect that the car MAY have been a real Pace Car at it's birth, but that isn't it's original tag, or even a real tag for that matter. Not having a real trim tag KILLS the value and puts the whole car into question. Buyer beware!

[69-Z11Pacer]

Originally Posted by Scott Taylor

I should think that an original BB pace car in number one condition would bring in about $100K to 120K. Double that figure at the Barrett Jackson auction.

120K? (double that at BJ? 240K?) - hmmm - please show me a 69 Pace Car Z11 that has sold for that much. Haven't heard of that.

[Indy Z11]

Most BB pace cars I have seen hover in the $65K-$75K range.

[Pacecarjeff]

Originally Posted by 69-Z11Pacer

120K? (double that at BJ? 240K?) - hmmm - please show me a 69 Pace Car Z11 that has sold for that much. Haven't heard of that.

I agree....
If anything the prices are lower then they were 6 months ago.
I think that they are going to continue to drop a bit.
$45K to $75K All done... tops, unless it is a L78.

Stay away from that one...

[Jeff Snyder]

Originally Posted by 69-Z11Pacer

Jeff is this the tag from the car?



99.99% sure it is. (I remember the VIN)

The tag is a reproduction tag. I suspect that the car MAY have been a real Pace Car at it's birth, but that isn't it's original tag, or even a real tag for that matter. Not having a real trim tag KILLS the value and puts the whole car into question. Buyer beware!

Hi Bill,

Thanks for your response. No money has changed hands yet. Can you describe to me what you see that tells you that this is a fake tag?

Thanks
Jeff

[foreverlookin]

Jeff, please click on the following link and you can download the decoder for your future use:
http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml

Click (or Shift-Click) to download the first-generation Camaro Cowl Tag Decoder in zip format, version 3.68

[Jeff Snyder]

Originally Posted by foreverlookin

Jeff, please click on the following link and you can download the decoder for your future use:
http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml

Click (or Shift-Click) to download the first-generation Camaro Cowl Tag Decoder in zip format, version 3.68

The trim tag decoded fine. Built 5th week of March, Orange Houndstooth interior, dover white with white top, Z11 pace car convertible.

So, what's wrong with the trim tag?

[trentonZ28]

Jeff,please understand that if guys told how they know the tag was fake, the bad guys could make the changes to make them perfect.

[Jeff Snyder]

Originally Posted by trentonZ28

Jeff,please understand that if guys told how they know the tag was fake, the bad guys could make the changes to make them perfect.

Ok, could someone call me to explain how the tag is fake? If so, my number is 703.283.8038. Thanks!

[Mark C]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevr...11206778QQrdZ1

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=73607

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=69425

If it is this (124379N623007) car, there is practically no doubt that it was a pace car, can't say what engine it had though.. You can tell by all or the original paint, but since it has a fake cowl tag once it's restored and all the original parts are replaced, there will always be a question about its originality.

[Jeff Snyder]

Originally Posted by Mark C

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevr...11206778QQrdZ1

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=73607

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=69425

If it is this (124379N623007) car, there is practically no doubt that it was a pace car, can't say what engine it had though.. You can tell by all or the original paint, but since it has a fake cowl tag once it's restored and all the original parts are replaced, there will always be a question about its originality.

Thanks Mark. I'm going to trust the general consensus that the tag is a repro. It seems too bad since everything else appears to point to a true PC.

[Jeff Snyder]

Originally Posted by Mark C

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevr...11206778QQrdZ1

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=73607

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=69425

If it is this (124379N623007) car, there is practically no doubt that it was a pace car, can't say what engine it had though.. You can tell by all or the original paint, but since it has a fake cowl tag once it's restored and all the original parts are replaced, there will always be a question about its originality.

The gentleman that checked out the car said that the firewall even had all of the correct holes with the proper diameters, including the relay for the cowl induction. So, such a shame. Thanks everyone for saving my a**!

[69-Z11Pacer]

Jeff,

As stated by another member, we typically do not discuss the flaws in repro trim tags in public forums. That car has been through EBay 3 or more times like Mark C has shown. We have discussed it here a few times, and everyone has agreed that the tag is fake. I am glad that you checked in here before making a costly mistake. If you find another one, post pictures of the tag, the VIN, and any other numbers in the Tag Team section and someone will gladly check them out.

Good luck in your search for the ultimate muscle car (69 Pace Car) (IMO)