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post #1 of 7 (permalink) Old Jun 3rd, 01, 02:01 PM Thread Starter
 
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Sorry, hit enter by accident. Now, I am looking at a 69' Pace 396 w/ 4spd for 18k. It appears some of the #'s are correct, Z11, ST6912467 NOR288004BDY TR 720 50 PNT 03D211. However, I'm not sure how to find the motor #'s. The seller says he was told it may have a "CE" motor. What is that and does it devalue the car significantly. Everything else looks great. Straight body, 55K miles, orange houndstooth, original interior, convertible and so on. How do I check the engine # to determine what it is and what horsepower. By the way, I'm looking for a fun driver, not a trailor queen but I want to make sure the value is there in the event I want restore at some point. Thx for any input.
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post #2 of 7 (permalink) Old Jun 3rd, 01, 02:37 PM
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A CE engine is a "Crate Engine", or "Counter Engine" it is essentially a warantee replacement engine. The original owner must have blown up the original engine and got it replaced under warrantee. Instead of a VIn number stamped on the block, a CE engine will have a number begining with CE then a 9 for if it was replaced in 69 or a 0 if replaced in 1970, then the remaining 6 digits will indicate what plant the engine came from. If the entire engine was replaced then the pad behind the alternator will contain an assembly code just like the original engine indicating when the engine was assembled and what kind of engine it was. something like T1012JF for an October 12th L34 for use with a standard trans. If just the block was replaced there won't be a code on the engine pad, just the CE number.


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A nice Z11 with those miles for that price is a very fair price even with the wrong engine. It doesn't have to be a show car , just a very nice and solid driver. At that price I wouldn't worry about the engine too much, just make sure the car is good.
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mark C:
A CE engine is a "Crate Engine", or "Counter Engine" it is essentially a warantee replacement engine. The original owner must have blown up the original engine and got it replaced under warrantee. Instead of a VIn number stamped on the block, a CE engine will have a number begining with CE then a 9 for if it was replaced in 69 or a 0 if replaced in 1970, then the remaining 6 digits will indicate what plant the engine came from. If the entire engine was replaced then the pad behind the alternator will contain an assembly code just like the original engine indicating when the engine was assembled and what kind of engine it was. something like T1012JF for an October 12th L34 for use with a standard trans. If just the block was replaced there won't be a code on the engine pad, just the CE number.


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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jumper:
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Thanks guys, It's definately a nice driver. I was just unsure how much difference the #'s on the engine made. How do you determine the hoursepower?

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Could you post the VIN for the car?

Mark, complete replacement blocks also got the CE stamp.

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By complete replacement you mean "short block" right? In that case I would agree. I was refering to just the block, no rotating or reciprocting components, I should have been clearer.

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