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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old Jan 23rd, 01, 01:12 PM Thread Starter
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Does $450.00 sound reasonable for a 4-spd muncie trans? It is supposed to completely rebuilt. I do not know if it is a m-20 or 21 but it is out of a 68 chevy something. I see this guy at all the big swap meets and he seems to do a good buisness. I see Classic industries sells them for about 1,000. I dont want to buy the cheap one and find out I bought a piece of junk but 550.00 is alot of money to save.
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post #2 of 15 (permalink) Old Jan 23rd, 01, 01:42 PM
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If you trust the seller go for it. Thats a pretty darn good price if its totally rebuilt.
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JUST TO GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO GO BY, I BOUGHT A M-20 RECENTLY OFF OF A GUY I HAVE KNOWN FOR ABOUT 25 YEARS. THE TRANNY HAS NOT BEEN IN A CAR SINCE 1976, HAS NEVER BEEN APART AND LOOKS LIKE NEW. IT CAME OUT OF A GTO AND NOT MANY MILES AT ALL. IT HAS A BRAND NEW HURST SHIFTER AND NEW LINKAGE. I PAID 750.00 FOR IT, BUT FACTOR IN THE COST OF A NEW SHIFTER AND THAT'S ABOUT WHERE YOU WOULD BE. THE ONLY REASON I PAID THAT IS BECAUSE I KNOW THE GUY AND HAVE BEEN TRYING TO BUY THE THING FOR THE PAST 15 YEARS, AND HE FINALLY PRICED IT!! I MAY HAVE PAID TO MUCH, BUT AT LEAST I KNOW WHAT I HAVE. JUST A LITTLE INFO FOR YOU TO GO BY. GOOD LUCK
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thanks for the info guys. I am going to check it out this weekend.
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post #5 of 15 (permalink) Old Jan 23rd, 01, 04:51 PM
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Just be sure to remove the side cover and check the cluster gear, If you see any damage to it I would pass.Also the gears and syncros should have sharp edges with no rounding of them.And look at the magnet at the bottom of the case for metal pieces, some shavings are ok but any large stuff means that damage has occured.

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be carful there are a lot of definations of rebuilt. I worked at a trans shop and they defined rebuilt has go to the used parts room and get what you need .
I define it has new bearing, seals,sycro's and replacement of any worn or busted gears.

does it come with a warratty!

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68RS, Buying transmissions apart from cars is a gamble at best. I paid $600 for a "Z28" M-20, rebuilt with new parts at a swap meet. Did my due diligience, talked him down from $650, had him open the case, it looked very good and did have new parts, turned well and it included shifter, bellhousing, flywheel & core clutch. I thought it was a decent deal. All the numbers were correct for a May 69 Camaro, except for the side cover, which I bought a correct one at another vendor. Well.....


Sent the trans to Jerry MacNeish for him to check out, seems the trans was under water for a time and ALL the gears were pitted except for the reverse (one of the new parts) and you couldn't see the pitting until the parts were cleaned. Kurt S. from CRG just happened to be there when Jerry found the pitting, we were all surprised at the condition. All the other new parts were crap overseas parts, they had to be all replaced. Since the trans was perfect for my May 69 SS I decided to get the new gears, Jerry did a fine job in getting the new stuff at the best price, but I still have over a grand in the trans (including purchase price).

I did not get a bargain at $600, Good luck on yours. Kevin

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Man you guys are scaring me. I bought a muncie from a guy for $175 dollars 3 years ago. It spun free and went into gear and I didn't see anything major when I opened the side cover. A number check says it's a 1965 (can't tell if it's a M-20, M-21, or M-22 without counting teeth on these) out of either a Vette, Chevelle, or Chevy II. The ones I've seen in the paper around here are going between $400 and $700 bucks. I know it needs a rebuild, so I guess I'll find out how bad it really is once I get it tore down.

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Racer#00, The early Muncie's (your 1965) only had a 7/8 in. counter shaft, and the later, I think 69 and up, had a 1 in. shaft. The early ones are considered weaker, so less desirable = lower cost. I had bought a 1966 muncie like you for $150 and sold it to a trans dealer for less then that to buy the 1969 M-20.

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The early cases can be modified to use the 1 inch counter shaft, so I am told.

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Damn, and I thought I got a good deal! So what your saying is don't beat it. It's going behind a mild 355 in my 67. I don't know what kind of HP I'll be looking at, but
I'm shooting for 300-350 horse.

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Racer#00, What I said is that they are considered weaker, but not necessarily weak. Remember these tranys were put behind some pretty potent SBs in vettes.

I think Chevy made the 1 in. change when they started putting them behind BBs. If you are not concerned with numbers correct, your muncie should hold up OK.

Anyone out there have any stories of breaking them?

Of course, if you going to run 2.56s and run the RPM up to 5000 and dump the clutch, that would be a little rough on the trany (and all the rest), something is going to break sometime. If you drive reasonably and have a well set-up drivetrain, it should hold up fine. Kevin

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I bet the guy you are talking about is MIke Kline. Right ? I bought an M21 from him last year. Although I have not had it out much - I can say it looked like a quality rebuild. He had a list of all the new parts he put in each tranny he had for sale. I pulled the side cover and that baby looked brand new. He even uses that pink assembly lube in all the right places. I think he has been building those things for years and could do it blind folded. Go for it. I did.

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post #14 of 15 (permalink) Old Jan 28th, 01, 12:41 PM
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Guys, I'm late to this discussion, but hope I can add...

Top notch rebuilt Muncie should be around $800. I'm quoting the price at Old Man Engineering in Buffalo NY.

I just dols an M21 they did for me for 750. Buyer got a 1 yr parts warranty.

Whats the difference between the $400 rebuild these guys do ( assuming no major parts required ) and the guy who buys a $150 kit and swaps in new parts.

This was a 65 unit 7/8 countershaft. Two ways to go here. If the unit is good ( as mine was) they oring the countershaft bore and then set the countershaft by pinning it. All clearances are checked and the tranny is essentailly "blueprinted".

Or you can go with a 1" shaft and rebore the case. This allows you to move the gears closer toghether. I hear these jobs get a nice "whine" out of them.

Anyway, there is a difference in rebuild quality, just as in engines.

Having said that, my old M21 they they jsut rebuilt and came with my car, was missing a part causing 3rd to whine. I prolly would;ve missed it if I did the work myself. At any rate the point is, I beat the frickin tar out of that tranny and the old, missing ring Muncie never hiccuped. I mean dumb stuff..

( like 550 hp of L88 at 5000rpm clutch drops on slicks ).
So go figure...

Put my OME rebilt unit up on ebay with a 700 reserve. Yeah right, rebuilt Muncies there are 400 tops.

But if I need to drop at a high rpm on a real sticky track, or just the standard powershifts at 6800, I like to know my tranny was put together with the same care as my mill. Not just new parts put in. You dont want to doubt the gear. You want it bullettproof.

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Ive got an early muncie[.875 shaft]that I just took out of my 68.Ive seen and heard of several of the muncies with the larger shafts cracking the cases in the web between the diameters in the case,due to there being less material there to take the stress.

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